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1991-08-21 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION August 21, 1991 Rohrman Automobile Dealerships, Chatham B-3 Parcel and the Happ Farm, Northwest Corner of Weidner Road and Dundee Road - Rezoning from B-3 and R-E to B-4 and Preliminary Plan Deerfield Bakery - Final Plat Vice Chairman Goldspiel called the meeting to order at 7: 30 p.m. in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Commissioners present: Mr. Goldspiel Mr. Krug Mr. Rhodes Mr. Charlette Ms. Howard Mr. Rosenston Mr. Samuels Mr. Silbernik Commissioners absent: Ms. Genell Also present: Mr. Marc Schwartz, Batler & Schwartz Mr. Daniel Wolf, Batler & Schwartz Mr. John Pezl, CE Design, Ltd. Mr. Bob Rohrman, Rohrman Automobile Dealerships Mr. William Herrmann, CE Design, Ltd. Mr. Olav Espenes, Jon Espenes Company Ms. Mary Fritz, Land Design Collaborative Mr. Robert Zolomij , Land Design Collaborative Mr. Rolf Kilian, Metro Transportation Group Mr. Brian Rubin, Village Trustee Mr. Jeff Braiman, Village Trustee Mr. Robert Pfeil, Village Planner Moved by Commissioner Rosenston, seconded by Commissioner Krug to defer approval of the Deerfield Bakery Final Plat to the next regular Plan Commission meeting date. All Commissioners were in favor and the motion carried. Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES Moved by Commissioner Samuels, seconded by Commissioner Rhodes to approve the minutes of the Public Hearing and Regular Meeting of August 7, 1991. Mr. Pfeil noted corrections requested by Commissioner Genell to page 4 of the Public Hearing minutes, paragraph 7 to state " . . .the office building from 24, 000 square feet to 36, 000 square feet. . . " as well as corrections to page 3 of the Regular Meeting minutes, paragraph 2 , line 1 to state R-3 zoning and line 3 to state R-E zoning. Commissioner Samuels moved and Commissioner Rhodes seconded the motion for approval of the minutes as amended. All Commissioners were in favor with Commissioners Howard and Silbernik abstaining, and the motion carried. COMMITTEE AND LIAISON REPORTS Commissioner Silbernik reported on the Village Board meeting of August 19, 1991, stating that the annexation agreement of the Stone Creek property was continued to September 3 , 1991. There was discussion regarding the height of the proposed two story office building. The DeGrazia Company would prefer to have a 36 foot height allowance and the Board was leaning towards a 28 foot height limit. Commissioner Silbernik further noted that discussion was held on the pre-application for a townhome development on Bank Lane north of the Seigle's Home Center on Route 83 . ROHRMAN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, CHATHAM B-3 PARCEL AND THE HAPP FARM, NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEIDNER ROAD/DUNDEE ROAD REZONING FROM B-3 AND R-E TO B-4 AND PRELIMINARY PLAN Vice Chairman Goldspiel described the nature of the proceedings to the public. Commissioner Rhodes noted that this meeting was concerned with a concept plan only. He stressed that a great deal of work was necessary before any final plans would be considered for approval. Mr. Schwartz introduced the entire team involved with the development project. He stated this project was referred to the Plan Commission by the Village Board on June 3 , 1991. The property commonly known as the Chatham B-3 parcel consists of approximately seven acres and the property commonly as the Happ Farm consists of approximately eight acres for a total of 15. 6 acres. He noted the Chatham B-3 property is presently owned by Mr. Rohrman and the Happ farm is owned by the Happ family. He further stated that there were condemnation proceedings at the present time by School Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 2 District 214 to acquire the Happ property. Mr. Schwartz stated this development includes the eight acres of the Happ parcel, of which four acres would be acquired by School District 214 for two soccer fields adjacent to the school and four acres would be used for one automobile dealership. The other property included in the project is the seven acre Chatham B-3 parcel, of which four acres would be developed for an automobile dealership, and the northern three acres would be donated to School District 214 for additional soccer fields or ball fields. In total 7. 16 acres of land would be used by School District 214 for recreational purposes and eight acres would be used by Bob Rohrman for development of the two automobile dealerships. Mr. Schwartz further stated that the seven acre Chatham parcel is presently zoned B-3 . The original annexation agreement, which was amended in 1985, expires on January 20, 1995; this agreement approves development of two office buildings of four stories with 114,800 square feet each. The Happ parcel is zoned Residential Estate. Mr. Schwartz stated that the petitioner is requesting re- zoning of the Chatham property to B-4 and re-zoning of approximately 4 acres of the Happ property from R-E to B-4, with District 214 seeking special use under for the playing fields under the B-4 zoning. He stated that he is representing only Mr. Rohrman, District 214 would need to present their development plans to the Village at a future time. Mr. Schwartz further stated they were proposing to develop two automobile dealerships of approximately 23 , 700 square feet and 28, 000 square feet which have been projected to bring the Village between $180, 000 and $200, 000 per year in sales tax revenues per dealership. These revenues would probably increase as the dealerships become established in the marketplace. Mr. Schwartz stated that this development would. provide a benefit to the community at large by maintaining and adding three acres of green space and playing fields for the community. He also stated that the size of the automobile dealership buildings would be much smaller in terms of building square footage than the already approved four story office buildings. Mr. Zolomij stated that B-4 zoning for the area would be consistent and compatible with existing business areas on the other side of Dundee Road. The north section of the Chatham parcel would become a recreational area and would be adjacent to the park area on the north side of Weidner Road. The recreational fields to be developed by District 214 would be compatible with adjacent residential areas. it Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 3 Mr. Zolomij stated that his goal was to provide a site plan which provides safe access into and within the site which would also be compatible with adjacent uses. He stated that the goal was also to provide good screening through the use of extensive landscaping on the site. He noted the retention pond would be located in the middle of the property and would form an attractive aspect to the design. Berms of three to three and a half feet would be placed on Weidner Road to limit the visual impact of parked cars. The northern section of the development would be extensively landscaped and bermed and there would be many islands on the property with extensive landscaping used to make them as attractive as possible. He further noted that Dundee Road would have many trees planted to further enhance the attractiveness of the development. Mr. Pezl spoke on the engineering aspects of the development. He stated that drainage was of primary concern and therefore a 6.95 acre feet retention pond was proposed for the Chatham property. He stated that preliminary engineering reports have noted that this retention pond will accommodate and serve the purpose of this site and the surrounding development quite well. He noted that both sanitary sewer and water mains were available and to serve the site. Pedestrian access would be accomplished with an eight-foot wide walkway along Dundee Road and three additional street lights would mirror the south side of Dundee Road. Mr. Pezl noted that lights with sharp cut-off fixtures would be placed along the perimeter of the site and light would not spill over onto adjacent properties. The type of lighting to be used is a down type of lighting system on a timer which should not present a problem to the residential area adjacent to this site. Mr. Pezl stated that the plan proposes three driveways onto Dundee lined up to existing driveways on the south side of Dundee Road with turning bays being 85 feet as suggested by. IDOT. He further noted that the dealership buildings would front on Dundee Road, including the service bays. Mr. Kilian presented a traffic impact study using traffic counts done on August 7, 1991 from 3 : 30 p.m. to 7: 00 p.m. The study reflects the peak traffic hour to be 4:45 p.m. to 5: 45 p.m. A traffic count was conducted at Dundee and Weidner and a count on cars entering and exiting the existing Chrysler dealership on the south side of Dundee Road was performed. In all, 55 cars entered and 85 cars exited the Chrysler dealership during the peak period for a total of 145 trips. Mr. Kilian noted that the already approved four story office buildings would generate 345 trips. Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 4 Mr. Kilian noted that of the three proposed driveways to Dundee Road, the two easterly driveways are full access driveways and the westerly driveway is a right turn in and out only driveway. Once again he reiterated that an office development such as the one already approved for the site would generate eight times the amount of traffic as that of the proposed car dealerships. Mr. Schwartz stated that they are here to address the concerns voiced by residents. Regarding outside noise from loudspeakers, Mr. Rohrman has noted that pagers would be used by his staff and there would be no need for loudspeakers. The issue of test drives and the traffic effect this has on the neighborhood would be mitigated by using only Dundee Road to Route 53 on to Lake Cook Road as opposed to the use of any interior roadways. Extensive screening and landscaping would be used to both enhance the appearance of the development and protect the rights of the residents. Mr. Schwartz further stated that the retention pond would be slightly altered and moved, but would certainly remain and drainage would be good. He also noted that IDOT had been consulted and their issues would be addressed. Mr. Schwartz also noted that the photometric study had not yet been completed, however, the lighting would all be directed toward the dealerships and there would be little spillage onto residential areas. He further stated that there would be no body shop on the premises and that noise would be of no problem to the residents. Mr. Schwartz also stated that the used car dealership would be comprised of trade in cars only. Mr. Schwartz indicated that the rear area of the development would be fenced to protect both the students using the walkway to the soccer fields and the development itself. Commissioner Krug inquired if the exit and entrance on Stratford Circle was necessary. Mr. Kilian stated that the connection to Stradford would provide secondary access to the western dealership for emergency vehicles and customers from within the residential area. Commissioner Krug also inquired if there would be gates on the dealership driveways used after closing hours. Mr. Rohrman stated that he has never used gates in any of his dealerships. Commissioner Krug suggested that Mr. Rohrman consider the use of Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 5 gates at the Weidner entrance to deflect high schools students from using the dealership as a shortcut route. Commissioner Krug asked what the distance is between the lot line in back of the dealership to the nearest residential building. Mr. Schwartz stated the distance was 40 feet from the lot line to the residential garage. Commissioner Krug inquired if the traffic study had taken into consideration test drives conducted on Saturdays. Mr. Kilian stated that Saturday test drives had not been studied as the majority of test drives are conducted between 7 p.m. and 9 p.m. on weekdays. Commissioner Krug inquired if there would be any underground tanks on the site. Mr. Rohrman stated there would be no underground tanks and that any used oil would be picked up by the company who supplies the new oil. Commissioner Krug asked for examples of parking lot lighting that Mr. Rohrman has used on his other dealerships. Mr. Rohrman said his Acura and Lexus dealerships in Palatine use lighting that has sharp cut-off fixtures so light does not spillover onto adjacent properties. Commissioner Krug noted his exception to the land planner's statement that this development would be compatible with the surrounding residential area and stated that he did not feel that this was a proper site for automobile dealerships. Commissioner Rhodes inquired if there would be fuel kept on the premises. Mr. Rohrman stated that cars were filled up at local gas stations and no fuel would be kept on the premises. Commissioner Rhodes expressed his dislike of the building service bays facing Dundee Road. He stated he would rather have the service entrance face the corresponding dealership. Commissioner Rhodes also inquired as to the height of the proposed buildings. Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 6 • Mr. Schwartz stated the height of the buildings would be 25 feet with screened roof-top mechanical equipment. Commissioner Rhodes stated that a traffic study should be conducted when Buffalo Grove High School football games are in session as these games generate a great deal of traffic. He further stated that test drives on Dundee were not a good idea as the traffic along that route was severely congested already. Commissioner Howard inquired if some of the sizable trees on the property were to be preserved. Mr. Zolomij stated that nine or ten trees of the 40 trees on site would be preserved. Commissioner Howard noted her concerns regarding tree preservation and also noted her concerns for adjacent residents who would be experiencing increased traffic between the hours of 7 p.m. and 9 p.m. Mr. Rohrman stated that sales occur throughout the day with peak sales periods occurring between 6 p.m. and 9 p.m. His Honda dealership in Schaumburg sells about 400 cars per month, and may get 30 to 60 people per evening visiting the site. The Buffalo Grove Saturn dealership is projected to sell about 180 cars per month, and he thinks about fifteen people would visit the site each evening. Commissioner Howard inquired what time the dealership lighting would automatically shut off. Mr. Rohrman stated that lights would be shut off at 9: 00 p.m. Some security lighting would stay on all night. Commissioner Howard inquired if there would be .extensive use of air wrenches. Mr. Rohrman stated that since cars are no longer torn down as they once were, there is very limited use of air wrenches these days. Commissioner Howard expressed concern regarding the turning radius for large transport trucks delivering new cars. Mr. Pezl stated that the final plan would make sure that all radii and turnarounds were accommodated. Commissioner Howard stated her agreement with Commissioner Krug's statement that automobile dealerships do not belong at this Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 7 location. She indicated that she does not think that B-4 zoning should be allowed on the north side of Dundee Road. Commissioner Rosenston inquired if there would be stop lights on Dundee and if there would be a non-mountable median strip on Dun- dee Road in front of the western driveway into the site. Mr. Pezl stated there would not be traffic signals on Dundee but there would be a non-mountable median strip in front of the western driveway. Commissioner Rosenston inquired if it would be possible to build only one building to house both the Honda and Saturn dealerships. Mr. Rohrman stated that both General Motors and Honda would not allow such a combination. Commissioner Rosenston commented that he is concerned with the excessive amount of concrete on the site plan, and he noted that the proposed landscaping in shown only around the perimeter of the property. He said more landscaping should be done on the interior of the site, particularly around the buildings and in the parking areas. He indicated that from the traffic impact study he felt this development would be more desirable than the approved the office development. He asked for more information concerning the hours of operation of the dealerships and how the silo would be integrated into the site plan. Mr. Rohrman said the dealerships would have hours of operation from 7: 30 a.m. to 5: 00 p.m. for the service departments and 9 : 00 a.m. to 9 : 00 p.m. on weekdays for the sales departments. Mr. Schwartz said the silo would be retained as part of the site development and a covered bridge would be built over the stormwater retention pond to add character to the site. Commissioner Charlette said he is concerned about the widths of the proposed driveways, and he questioned if the site will be able to handle large truck turning movements. He also inquired as to the location of the trash areas. Mr. Pezl said the driveways meet Village standards and will handle truck movements. Mr. Rohrman stated that deliveries of new cars are made by semi- trucks and that a parts truck delivers parts once a week to the dealership. He also stated that the dumpster area had not yet been designed. Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 8 Commissioner Charlette inquired how large the used car facility would be. Mr. Schwartz noted the used car facility would be 25 feet by 30 feet. Commissioner Charlette expressed his desire to see less concrete and the development of only one building. He stated that he was not generally in favor of this development. Commissioner Silbernik expressed his disappointment with the traffic impact study which was conducted only one day and did not take into consideration early morning traffic when school is in session. He also noted that many cars line up early in the morning waiting for the service department to open and the resulting noise and activity level should be noted as a disturbance to the residents. Commissioner Silbernik also stated that his concern relative to the lighting pertains to the visibility of the bulbs to the adjacent residents more than the spillover of light. He said the developer should do an environmental impact study for the project. Mr. Schwartz stated that the photometric study needed to be completed before this concern could be answered. Commissioner Silbernik asked when the body shop for Saturn would open. Mr. Rohrman stated that all of his body shops are independently owned and that there would never be a body shop on this site as the property was too expensive to warrant the construction of a body shop. Commissioner Samuels expressed his desire to see a comparison of tax revenues between an office building development and automotive dealerships. Commissioner Samuels noted that the traffic count was conducted in August which is a vacation month and could possibly account for the lower traffic counts. `1 Mr. Schwartz stated that they would take into account all traffic issues at further workshop meetings. Commissioner Samuels asked how many parking spaces would be available for each dealership. Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August g g uqust 21, 1991-Page 9 Mr. Schwartz stated that the Honda dealership would have 58 spaces for employees and customers and the Saturn dealership would have 48 spaces, all of which would be calculated to Village Code and that two handicapped parking spaces per building would be provided. Commissioner Samuels inquired if there is data available regarding the impact of this kind of development on existing property values. Mr. Schwartz stated that type of data is difficult to obtain but that they would do their best to obtain it. He also inquired if the Commission wished this data to be compared to this auto dealership development or to an office development. Commissioner Samuels requested that data be obtained for both a dealership development and an office development. Commissioner Krug stated that there should be a bike path designated instead of a concrete walk along Dundee Road. Commissioner Krug also inquired if Mr. Rohrman would be conveying or selling the property to School District 214. Mr. Schwartz stated that the west 4 . 6 acres of the Happ property would be sold to District 214 and the north three acres of the Chatham B-3 parcel would be donated to District 214. Commissioner Rosenston requested that the developer address the traffic impact study to the opening of schools, school buses and ball games when school is in session. Commissioner Goldspiel inquired if the developer had any thoughts of expanding the dealership buildings. Mr. Rohrman stated that was no thought of a body shop or any other building being constructed on this site. However, there might be an extension to the service building if it should be warranted. He stated the plan would be sufficient as is for at least ten years. Commissioner Goldspiel asked what changes would be made to the existing grade of the property. Mr. Pezl stated that the west building (Honda) would be at an elevation of 701. 0 feet which is three feet below the current elevation. The east building (Saturn) is at an elevation of 693 feet which is one foot above the present high point of the site. These elevations are governed by the needs of the detention area. The proposed high water elevation is approximately one to two feet higher than the present high water level. The parking lots have to be designed to be at least one foot higher than the high water Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 10 level in the retention pond. Commissioner Goldspiel noted his concern on the traffic issues. Mr. Kilian noted that an office building would generate two to two and one half times greater traffic than the proposed development. Additionally, ingress and egress to the office building would be on Weidner which would create more traffic within the residential area than the proposed development. The Plan Commission concurred that the developer's traffic study as presented would need to be revised to include additional traffic counts and to include a study of gaps in traffic on Dundee Road to allow turning movements from the site. Mr. Schwartz stated he would like to talk with the Village traffic consultant regarding the traffic study and address the Plan Commission' s concerns and issues on traffic with him. Commissioner Goldspiel inquired if there were any changes in the median configuration on Dundee Road concerning turn lanes. Mr. Kilian stated that a piggyback left turn lane was proposed as well as 85 feet of storage as requested by IDOT so as not to inhibit the flow of traffic. Commissioner Goldspiel asked what facilities would be housed within each building. Mr. Rohrman stated that the balcony area of the building would include conference rooms, washroom facilities, lunch room, computer room and some parts storage. Mr. Braiman noted the Village Board's concern regarding a two building development plan. He stated that the Board expected the plan to come back as a plan for one dealership. Mr. Schwartz stated that this development was not financially feasible with only one dealership based on the cost of the land. Additionally, a one building dealership would not work out well for the school district, which would have to pay more for its land if Mr. Rohrman can only develop one dealership. Mark Elias, 664 White Pine, stated that residents had questioned the possibility of a car dealership being built in 1980 when James Mastandrea had proposed the Chatham development and it had been represented by the Village that only an office development would occur at the Weidner/Dundee B-3 parcel. In 1987 car dealerships Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August qu q- gust 21, 1991-Page 11 were proposed on the former Archdiocese property on Dundee Road, but the Village ultimately allowed only single-family residen- tial development. Mr. Elias stated that the Village should not allow car dealerships on the Chatham/Happ properties. He stated that that the residents in the neighborhood near the Chatham B-3 site do not want the proposed dealerships, and would rather see development of an office building even if it brings in less tax revenue. He stated that residents of the area do not want any car dealerships whether it would be one or two buildings. He fur- ther stated that the present state of the economy would preclude the development of any office buildings. Mr. Elias further noted that several exits and entrances are being proposed along Weidner Road and Stradford Circle which would result in traffic spilling out into the residential neighborhoods near the site. He commented that the plan proposes several curb cuts to Dundee Road, and the Village did not allow the office plan approved in 1980 to have any driveways to Dundee Road because of the traffic impact. He questioned the advisability of these proposed exits and entrances to Dundee Road and the potential traffic impact that would result from the auto dealerships. Len Janske, 665 Mayfair Court South, stated that test driving of automobiles from the surrounding dealerships abounds throughout the Chatham development. He also asked what School District 214 would ideally like to see happen with this property. Mr. Swanson, business manager for District 214, said that the High School District needs seven to eight acres of land and that an agreement to purchase some of this land and acquire some of it through donation, has been entered into with Mr. Rohrman and the Happ family. He further stated that under condemnation proceedings for the Happ property, the price of the land is unknown. He indicated that the agreement with Mr. Rohrman and the Happ family is financially beneficial to the School District. Commissioner Goldspiel commented that residents of the Chatham area should consider the proposed locations of the High School District's playing fields and compare the alternate locations if only the eight acre Happ property were used as opposed to using the northern part of the Chatham B-3 parcel. He also commented that when the Chatham plan was reviewed by the Village in 1980, the School District was asked if the District needed any of the Chatham area for expansion, and District 214 stated that additional land was not needed. Mr. Janske noted that the hours of use for car dealerships are extensive and he would prefer to see development of an office building. He said that it is unlikely that an office development Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 12 would be feasible, but if offices were built, traffic impact would be more manageable that the impact from car dealerships. Dan Solo, 608 Hapsfield Lane, stated that the proposed exit on Weidner Road would be used by people to make a left turn onto Dundee Road, and the Plan Commission should consider the impact of the development on the residents who would live closest to the dealerships. Ellen Malow, 838 Stradford Circle, stated that no account had been taken in the traffic study regarding school buses in the morning and afternoon peak traffic hours. She commented that alternate uses for the Chatham B-3 site should be discussed; the proposed car dealerships and the approved office project are not the only uses that should be considered. She suggested that the property should be rezoned for single-family or multi-family housing. She noted that the Windsor Ridge single-family development on Dundee Road sold out almost immediately, so there is obviously a demand for this type of housing in the area. Trustee Rubin said that the Village Attorney would study the legal implications of downzoning the property to residential use, and the Village Board would be informed of the Attorney's opinion. Mr. Rubin noted that the Village has received a petition for rezoning to B-4 from Mr. Rohrman as owner of the Chatham B-3 site, and the Village is fulfilling its responsibility to give a land- owner a hearing. Fred Schroeder, of the Mill Creek subdivision, stated that the existing car dealerships on Dundee Road are experiencing a lot of theft and vandalism, and more dealerships would just continue to attract this type of crime in the Village. He said that test driving of cars in the neighborhoods near the existing dealer- ships is already a problem for residents, and the proposed development would worsen the problem of test driving. A resident of 723 Weidner suggested reducing the height of the proposed buildings and maintaining a true one story structure for the development which would enhance the development aesthetically. He said the driveway exits to Weidner Road and Stradford Circle are of concern to him. Bonnie Raymond of the Mill Creek subdivision noted that test driving of cars is conducted not only by potential buyers but by mechanics who routinely abuse posted speed limits. This is not pleasant for the neighborhood and children playing near the streets. She commented that the Chrysler dealership approved several years ago has definitely been a detriment to the adjacent Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 13 residential area. Art Dore, 884 Stradford Circle, noted his opposition to the development based on the traffic safety factor for children and the potential loss of property value within his development. Al Vermiglio, 445 Chatham Circle, stated he is in favor of the development plan as it would add tax revenue to the school district and keep property taxes down. He also stated that this development would generate sales tax revenues for the Village. He further stated that this development would be built elsewhere on Dundee Road or Lake Cook Road if Buffalo Grove does not want it, and the Village would be losing out on significant tax revenues and the associated fiscal benefits. Ron Haas of the Mill Creek subdivision asked about the status of the condemnation of the Happ property by District 214. Mr. Swanson stated that District 214 is waiting to see the outcome of this development plan before proceeding any further. Ben Pomerantz of Weidner Road noted that residential property values would be diminished with the presence of 400 parked cars in an automobile dealership. Ron DeFoe of Weidner Road noted his opposition to the proposed development based on environmental pollution. He also noted that high school students would be tempted to use the Stradford Circle and Weidner Road driveways as access to the school. Robin Nemer, 604 Hapsfield, noted that the development of the Windsor Ridge subdivision by Lexington homes brought a substantial increase in traffic on Hapsfield Road, and with the proposed access onto Stradford Circle and Weidner Road for the Rohrman dealerships, the traffic would become even worse in the neighborhood. Mr. Pfeil stated that the Village Engineer is very concerned about the most easterly driveway from the dealership site to Dundee Road, and the Village's traffic consultant has pointed out that although IDOT may ultimately decide to allow a driveway at this location, the design will not meet IDOT's minimum stand- ards concerning the length of the turning bay. He also noted that the Village Forester wants more complete tree survey and preservation information than what has been submitted so far, and the Forester believes that more trees on the site should be preserved than what the developer has proposed. Commissioner Samuels commented that preserving land as open space Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 14 has a cost and taxpayers are very much affected by acquisition of land by public bodies. He said that although it may be desirable to preserve all undeveloped land as open space, it is not fiscally possible for a local government to do this. He said the Village needs to achieve an economic balance for the taxpayers by allowing certain properties in appropriate locations to be used for commer- cial development. He said that in his opinion the proposed auto dealerships at this location is not necessarily an inappropriate land use. He noted that this parcel is one of the last properties available in the Village for commercial development, so it is not likely that development of this property for auto dealerships will set a precedent of commercial over-building in the Buffalo Grove portion of Dundee Road. Commissioner Samuels also noted that the automobile dealership development would produce less traffic impact than development of office buildings and the automobile dealership would not be built to the same height that an office building would require. Commissioner Goldspiel stated that it is the Cook County side of Buffalo Grove that has the least amount of open space and he does not feel that the Cook County side should be made to bear the burden of impacts from commercial development. He further noted that the Village has long maintained a desire to keep Dundee Road as the gateway to the southern portion of the Village and this development is a threat to the Cook County portion of the Village. He said he is concerned that residents will feel that the area is being downgraded, and this may result in less effort being made by residents for property maintenance and general upkeep of their neighborhoods. He indicated that he is more troubled by the Rohrman proposal than any other project he has ever seen during his tenure on the Plan Commission. Commissioner Goldspiel stated that use on these parcels would be better as residential or a combination of residential and office development. Commissioner Rhodes concurred with Commissioner Goldspiel and further noted that the Village had rejected the concept of auto dealers on the Archdiocese property on Dundee Road, and that site was developed for the single-family Windsor Ridge subdivision and a park. He commented that the Cook County portion of the Village needs more open space. He said the Rohrman project may generate tax revenue, but he questioned why the adjacent neigh- borhood should bear the impacts of the development. He noted that `.I traffic is getting considerably worse in the Dundeee Road area, and he suggested that the proposed dealerships would aggravate this situation. Commissioner Silbernik stated that the plan is too dense and there is too much concrete. He stated he would prefer an office Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 15 development as traffic would subside after rush hours and there would not be 400 parked cars perpetually on the site. He indicated that B-3 zoning is more appropriate for the Chatham site than B-4 zoning. Commissioner Krug stated that the Village's first master plan was designed to keep strip commercial development off of Dundee Road. The Village's planning concept has been to keep Dundee Road as a window to the southern portion of the Village. Commissioner Krug further stated that just because there were other automobile dealerships on the south side of Dundee Road does not mean that additional dealerships are needed. Vice Chairman Goldspiel requested a polling to determine the Plan Commission's position on the proposed Rohrman development. Commis- sioner Silbernik suggested that the polling ask if a car dealership would be an appropriate use for the Chatham B-3 parcel and the Happ Farm parcel. The vote on the polling was as follows: YES: Samuels, Rosenston NO: Silbernik, Goldspiel, Krug, Rhodes, Howard, Charlette Commissioners Samuels and Rosenston commented that their "yes" votes are premised on an acceptable land plan; the plan being presented at the current workshop is not acceptable. Commissioner Rosenston commented that during the past election campaign for Village Board trustee positions, many residents had indicated to him that the Village needs to pursue revenue producing developments to achieve a more economically balanced community and to moderate property taxes for residents. He said auto dealerships are the type of development that would be very advantageous for the Village in terms of sales tax revenue. Commissioner Samuels noted that he would vote for approval of a similar project in a suitable area within the Lake County portion of the Village. He noted that this is an issue of the needs for the whole Village. He said that when he evaluates the merits of a proposed project, he does not vote according to whether it is in Cook or Lake County or how it might affect his own property. He noted that he supports street improvement projects that will be in Lake County, and in the case of Busch Road, the improvement would be near his own residence. Commissioner Krug noted his conviction in maintaining the non- Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 16 commercial appearance of Dundee Road prompted his no vote on the suitability of this development. Commissioner Charlette noted that members of the Plan Commission were volunteers and that he voted no on this plan because it did not fit the area. Commissioner Silbernik commented that there may be other uses appropriate for these parcels, but that the residents adjacent to these parcels may not favor other kinds of development. Mr. Schwartz stated that Mr. Rohrman would like to pursue the development of the car dealerships and that with the notes taken at this meeting they would address the concerns and issues conveyed by the Plan Commission to the developer. Vice Chairman Goldspiel asked the Plan Commission to review all the items and issues that the developer and his development team should address for the next workshop. The list included the fol- lowing items: 1. Direction of the service bays to face sideways into the site rather than toward Dundee Road or any adjacent street 2 . Elimination of the rear entrance to Stradford Circle on the northwest side of the development 3 . Appearance of the buildings should be better defined 4 . Tree preservation needs to more carefully addressed to preserve more trees than is currently proposed 5. Better plan addressing access and movement of semi-trailers delivering and unloading automobiles on the site 6. Expansion of green space, particularly adjacent to the residential areas 7 . Comments on the revised site plan by the Village traffic consultant 8. Comments by the Village's Police and Fire Departments regarding the revised plan; the Police Department should comment on the current situation in the neighborhood concerning the test driving of cars 9. More landscaping around the proposed dealership buildings Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 17 10. The developer's traffic study needs to be expanded to include information concerning traffic in the morning, peak traffic in the morning and afternoon that is more typical than the August vacation period used in the current report, and an analysis of how site traffic will interact with traffic from Buffalo Grove High School, including Saturday football games. A "gap" study of Dundee Road should also be done to indicate how traf- fic will be able to exit the site. The current traffic pattern from Vernon Lane to Hapsfield Drive and Weidner Road should be reviewed to determine if cut through traffic is a problem in the neighborhood. 11. Environmental impact report to address noise and air quality 12 . Greater detail on lighting and its impact on adjacent proper- ties 13 . More specific information on landscaping and screening adjacent to residential properties 14. Study the possibility of moving the two dealership buildings closer together 15. Verification of projected sales tax revenue that would be generated by the two auto dealerships 16. More landscaped islands in the parking lot areas 17. Study of the impact of the auto dealership use on adjacent property values 18 . Elimination of the used car building 19. Labeling of the bike path on Dundee Road 20. Show the location of adjacent residential structures in rela- tion to the proposed development 21. Verify the heights of the proposed buildings 22 . The revised plan should indicate that no cars will be parked or displayed on the street parkway 23 . Provide information about the current monument sign for the Chatham residential development that appears to be on the Chatham B-3 parcel 24. Study the possibility of having only one access driveway Buffalo Grove Plan Comm-Regular Meeting-August 21, 1991-Page 18 from the dealership properties to Dundee Road 25. Indicate the location and screening plan for dumpsters 26. Provide a rendering of the silo and how it will relate to other buildings on the site 27. Identify all variations of Village ordinances that will be requested by the developer CHAIRMAN'S REPORT - None FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE Mr. Pfeil stated there would be a Comprehensive Plan Meeting on August 28, 1991 and a joint meeting with the Village Board on August 26, 1991 to have a presentation of the preliminary update of the Village' s Transportation Plan. PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS - None STAFF REPORT - None ADJOURNMENT Moved by Commissioner Rhodes, seconded by Commissioner Rosenston, and unanimously carried to adjourn. Vice Chairman Goldspiel adjourned the meeting at 11:40 p.m. Re ctfull bmitted, (____----- Fay Ru in APPWVED BY: 9 , STEP EN GO DSPIEL, Vice Chairman BuffaloComm-Regular Grove Plan Comm Re ular Meeting-August 1991- Page q August 21, 1991 Page 19