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1975-01-15 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Simpson - Goldin Properties January 15, 1975 The Plan Commission meeting opened informally in a Workshop Session at 8:40 p.m. , January 15, 1975. Upon Mr. Gamm's arrival at 9:00 p.m. Chairman Genrich said we were then in an official session of a Regular Meeting of the Plan Commission. Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich Mr. Haarr Mr. Gamm Mr. Goldspiel Mr. Jacobs Commissioners Absent: Mr. Mendenhall Mr. Harris Mr. Keister Mr. Shields Also Present: Mr. Bill Balling Mr. William Simpson, Property Owner Mr. Neil King, Realtor Mr. James Ray, Architect Mr. Arnold Seaberg, Village Engineer Mr. Bill Kiddie, Commissioner on Park District Board Mr, Stan Crosland, Park District Director Mr. John Yost, Resident Simpson Goldin Properties Mr. Ray stated that he had met with Stan Crosland of the Park District and discussed the Simpson development plan adjacent to the Park District property. The matter of the retention of storm water and use of the portion of the lake extending into the development property appeared to be the major question. Mr. Jacobs asked whether the lakes would be increased in size. Mr. Ray replied that they probably would increase in depth. They hope to fill all or a portion of the lake extending into the Simpson property. If this could not be done they may have to retain the storm water on their site which would be done by depressing the paving or running large underground pipes. They would like to avoid this because of the expense. Mr. Goldspiel inquired as to the depth of the pond before the curbs and gutters were put in on Dundee Road and what it is now. Mr. Simpson replied that it was eight feet deep before but he is not sure what the present depth is. Plan Commission Page 2 1/15/75 Mr. Crosland stated that the Park District is concerned about the preservation of water-based passive recreation facilities. If the lake is paved and used for automobile parking the lake would be cut in half by the time it is embanked. Mr. Crosland asked if every parking stall is required and if there is a way of tying both sites in. He thinks the public would prefer the lake rather than an 8 foot cedar fence. The Park District entered an objection that parking go to the immediate length of the lot line and also offered the suggestion to preserve some of the lake Mr. Ray stated that if there were fewer parking stalls there would have to be less store space which would result in Mr. Simpson having to lease the land for less. Mr. Gamm questioned whether Kohl was firm on the design of the roof. Could they follow the same criteria as the Jewel on above-the-street parking on Green Bay Road in Wilmette? Mr. Ray stated that he designed the first rooftop parking and it was not successful . Mr. Ray showed a sketch of the proposed Kohl store. He stated he would suggest colors to Kohl that would be more fitting for this area and also suggest that it be all glass up to the arch except for the solid panels where the name is. He would use as many natural materials as possible. Mr. Gamm inquired what the back of the shopping center would look like. Mr. Ray stated they would use the same brick in back as in the rest of the building. There would be service doors in the back and that is all . They hope to depress the area behind Kohl 's so they could pull trucks up to the dock area. There would be a 12 foot .burminq- aQa. Mr. Haarr pointed out that the Zoning Ordinance said that they would need 50 feet before the property line in back if they did not have the proper screening. If they do have a fence or brick wall then it must be 30 feet. He added that the Ordinance does not allow a curb cut of over 25 feet and he is concerned with the number of curb cuts. Mr. Ray stated that they need four curb cuts for trucks to get in and out. Mr. King stated that Mr. Goldin was already to trade his land whenever Mr. Simpson was ready. Mr. Simpson will give Mr. Goldin an arbitrary piece of land adjacent to their main building in exchange for his land. 1 He will also be allowed the use of the parking easements. Mr. King is waiting until he has a further statement from the Plan Commission before discussing it any further with Mr. Goldin. In reference to the 45 foot strip of property which is not yet annexed into the Village, Mr. Jacobs stated that he is not willing to entertain a position on the Simpson property and make a determination without first having all the formalities of the ordinance met. That is, if this is a piece of property to be developed in Buffalo Grove as presented, then the whole thing should be acted on together. Otherwise, there is no way the Village has any control on it. He thinks the annexation should take place on it before approval . 1 Plan Commission Page 3 1/15/75 Mr. Balling stated that the statuatory limit before an election prevented the Village Board from acting on an annexation but it could be filed for. Mr. Haarr stated he felt if they had proof of ownership, if the trade went through, and a letter of intent to annex at the earliest possible time, the Plan Commission could consider some action but he has to agree that Mr. Goldin should be included in the request for plan approval . Mr. Genrich asked for the Committee response to some action on this if ownership of the Goldin property were shown along with the letter of intent and if Goldin were included in the request for plan approval . Mr. Goldspiel stated he does not want to be understood as approving the plan as long as we have the problems with the lake. He does not think we are in any position to even give any indication of approval until these problems are resolved. Mr. Yost, whose house is directly south of the Park District land, stated that he thinks there should be a retaining wall and thinks they should look at the possibility of moving the structure some way so the lake can be left in the natural state. He inquired that if they are going to pave their end of the lake will they have to make up for that space elsewhere? Will that water from their end of the lake go elsewhere such as to the south? Mr. Seaberg replied that a compensate storage would have to be provided in some fashion. They could possibly enlarge it on the park side. They would have to get an agreement from the Park District on this. Mr. Jacobs felt the following questions should be answered: 1 . Will the remainder of the lake be adequate retention? 2. Will the bottom part of the lake increase in size or depth should retention become a problem? Mr. Seaberg stated that should the developer fill in the lake they would have to do a topographical survey of the park to find out what storage is left and what is necessary. The Park District would like to see Mr. Simpson retain a partial lake on his property. Mr. Genrich asked Mr. Simpson to have his people meet with the Park District and the Village Engineer and come up with a preliminary engineering plan. Mr. Genrich feels there are some potential engineering problems that need to be resolved,especially if they plan to fill in the lake. Mr. Genrich asked to let the minutes show the following: 1 . We are requesting the developer to meet with the Buffalo Grove Village Engineer and to meet with the Buffalo Grove Park District and develop a preliminary engineering plan so we can see the engineering problem will be resolved. 2. We would like a plan to resolve the loading berth problem identified on Page 44 of the Zoning Ordinance. Corrected and Revised Plan Commission 2/5/75 Page 4 1/15/75 3. We would like them to solve the problem relative to the Village requirement on 20-25 foot curb cuts eliminating ingress and egress on Buffalo Grove Road nearest to Dundee Road. 4. On next revised plan show a dotted line showing where the 45 foot strip of property is. Mr. Gamm left the meeting at 10:55 p.m. Board of Zoning Appeals Mr. Jacobs stated that as to changes as far as giving authorities to the Zoning Board of Appeals is concerned, the problem for the Plan Commission is in the area of whether or not those authorities given to the Zoning Board of Appeals are confined to existing improvements and developments or if they are broad enough in scope to cover all projects. If it covers all projects, the Plan Commission would not be in favor of it. It could create legal problems and problems in the mind of the developer. Mr. Jacobs feels that before a date is set for a Public Hearing, everybody on the Plan Commission should have time to look over this ordinance. He also stated that the Plan Commission should hold a Workshop on the ordinance as written. If there is a deviation, then we should have a Workshop with the Zoning Board of Appeals. Mr. Genrich appointed Mr. Jacobs as a liaison with the Zoning Board of Appeals. Chairman's Report Mr. Genrich stated that he had received a letter dated January 10 from School District 102 stating that they had voted to accept the ten acre school site at Winston Square. Village Board Assignments Mr. Jacobs will attend the January 20th Village Board meeting for Mr. Mendenhall. Mr. Mendenhall will be asked to attend March 3 for Mr. Jacobs. The meeting adjourned at 11:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, _,ILLa-e9- )/ L nda Isonhart, Recording Secretary APPROVED: 6,-,,,L.A.:c.,4 _..... i Carl Genrich, Chairman