1975-10-15 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
Simpson-Goldin, Strathmore Grove Unit II, &
Poppin Fresh Pies
October 15, 1975
Chairman Genrich called the meeting to order at 8:10 p.m. ,
October 15, 1975, in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard.
Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Keister
Mr. Shields
Mr. Goldspiel
Commissioners Absent: Mr. Harris
Mr. Jacobs
Also Present: Mr. James Herbst, Poppin Fresh Pies
Mr. David Potter, Bank of Buffalo Grove
Mr. Daniel Light , L. B. Andersen & Co. , Inc.
Mr. William Simpson, Simpson-Goldin
Ms. Gail Braband, Prospective Member
Mr. Mel Kandel, Prospective Member
Mr. G. William Phillips, Prospective Member
Mr. John Marienthal, Trustee
Mr. Chuck McCoy
Simpson-Goldin
The final plat for the Simpson-Goldin property was presented to the
Plan Commission for approval. Commissioner Goldspiel stated that
the Plan Commission had reviewed the October 1 final plat of the
Willowmere subdivision and found that they still lack the five
requirements shown in the minutes of the Plan Commission of April 9,
1975. These requirements are:
1. Utility easements be delineated
2. Show two permanent monuments on the northwest corner
and southeast corner
3. Present a letter of intent to place concrete monuments
4. Show a setback line for Dundee Road
5. Signature line for the Village Engineer
Commissioner Goldspiel added that because of the change in configuration
of the property, we would now need a setback line on Buffalo Grove Road
and additional monuments so that all corners of the subdivision would
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be delineated. Chairman Genrich asked Mr. McCoy for a determination
of what should be done if there are not any utility easements on a
piece of property. Would someone need to certify that there are
not any utility easements? Mr. McCoy replied that he would check
on this.
Strathmore Grove Unit II
Chairman Genrich informed the Plan Commission that he had received
the letter from the postmaster stating that he saw no conflict with
the street names for this development.
Commissioner Mendenhall moved that the Plan Commission approve the
final plat of Unit II Strathmore Grove. Commissioner Keister seconded
the motion.
Commissioner Goldspiel stated that the plat still showed the sidewalk
easements on both sides of the U-shaped streets. Commissioner Mendenhall
stated that this was how it was approved in the Village Board minutes
with the understanding that they would build on one side and then the
other, if needed. The following vote was taken:
Commissioner Mendenhall yes Commissioner Shields yes
Commissioner Keister yes Commissioner Goldspiel yes
The motion carried unanimously. Chairman Genrich and Commissioner
Mendenhall signed the linen for the Strathmore Grove final plat.
Oak Creek
The Plan Commission reviewed the plat of street dedication for the
Oak Creek condominiums and upon the advice of Mr. Shields, Mr. Genrich
will check into this further.
Approval of Minutes
Commissioner Keister moved to approve the minutes of September 3, 1975,
and Commissioner Mendenhall seconded the motion. The motion carried
that the minutes be approved subject to the following change: On
page 3, last line , change Arlington Heights Road to Fremont.
Commissioner Goldspiel moved to approve the minutes of September 17,
1975, and Commissioner Keister seconded the motion. Upon vote the
motion carried.
Poppin Fresh Pies
Present in this regard were Mr. James Herbst, Poppin Fresh Pies,
Mr. David A. Potter, Bank of Buffalo Grove, and Mr. Daniel Light ,
L. B. Andersen & Co. , Inc.
Mr. Herbst distributed copies of the menu, copies of a brochure,
a landscape development plan dated 10/15/75, and a plat of survey
dated 9/17/75. These are listed in the Exhibit File as numbers
1015-1, 1015-2, 1015-3 and 1015-4 respectively.
Revised and Corrected 11/19/75
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Mr. Herbst stated that Poppin Fresh Pies is owned by Pillsbury. They
propose to build a Poppin Fresh Pies restaurant on the southeast
corner of Dundee Road and Ellen Drive. At present this property
is owned by the Bank of Buffalo Grove. He added that Poppin Fresh
Pies is a full service, limited menu restaurant. The hours of operation
are 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. It is not a franchise but a company operation. In
the description of the proposed Poppin Fresh Pie Restaurant, it was said
that patrons would not eat in their cars.
The building is a California design with a quarry tile roof and
stucco and brick around it. It is approximately 4,000 square feet
and costs $300,000. The lot size is 150' x 280' .
Mr. Herbst stated that at the present time this property is not in
the Village of Buffalo Grove and they will be requesting annexation
with a B-1 zoning. Commissioner Goldspiel asked why they felt another
restaurant was needed. Mr. Herbst replied that this is not a fast
food operation. There is nothing like it along Dundee Road and they
think there is a market for it.
Commissioner Mendenhall asked Mr. Potter how the bank obtained this
land. He replied that they had purchased it about 2* years ago for
the purpose of expansion but found their present facility was
satisfactory. In total they own 400' across and 300' deep which is the
equivalent of six lots. They are looking for buyers for the remaining
property. Commissioner Mendenhall stated he felt if Poppin Fresh
Pies developed t'_e one area, the remaining portion would only be
large enough for another self-standing building and the Plan Commission
has been trying to avoid these types of buildings on Dundee Road.
Mr. Potter stated that the bank would try to find something comparable
to Pillsbury for the remaining 250 feet.
In response to a question from Commissioner Mendenhall, Mr. Potter
stated that the depth of the lot was 300' but the bank will be
retaining 20' so the depth of the property sold to Pillsbury is
280' . Mr. Miller of the Bank of Buffalo Grove wanted to keep the
20 feet for access. Commissioner Mendenhall said he was quite sure
this would not be permitted. The 20' depth would have to provide the
12' buffer for Poppin Fresh Pies and the remaining property would be
nothing more than an alley.
Mr. Herbst consulted with Mr. Potter and Mr. Light and informed the
Plan Commission that the bank had agreed to include this 20' in the
land purchased by Pillsbury and the 12' buffer strip will be on this.
Mr. Marienthal stated he thought it would be desirable to annex the
entire piece of property owned by the bank. Mr. Light said he didn' t
think this could be done because there is no specific use planned for
the remaining portion. Commissioner Shields stated he would also
like to explore the possibility of annexing the entire piece of
property at once.
In response to a question raised regarding the necessity of a buffer
strip on the east side of the Poppin Fresh Pies property, Commissioner
Goldspiel stated that this should be resolved on a legal basis.
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Commissioner Mendenhall asked Mr. Herbst if they were planning on
berming the area on Ellen Drive somewhat. Mr. Herbst replied that
this will be done. They have a landscaping firm working on this
at the present time.
In response to a question from Mr. Marienthal, Mr. Herbst stated
they would be buying the property from the bank after it is annexed.
Chairman Genrich stated that a workshop session would be held regarding
this matter on November 5. He asked that the following be taken care
of before then:
1. Pillsbury should resolve with the bank how they will
handle the 20 feet of property.
2. He would like the bank to think about the possibility of
annexing the entire piece of property.
3. Mr. Herbst should meet with Mr. Seaberg in terms of
drainage, traffic and parking.
4. Show specifically where the ingress and egress are in
relation to the nursery school across the street on
Ellen Drive.
5. The bank should be aware that the Plan Commission is going
to want to scrutinize setbacks on the future portion of
this development.
6. A copy of our suggested annexation agreement will be
mailed to Mr. Herbst for him to review and incorporate
the appropriate points in an annexation agreement.
7. A landscape plan should be presented by Wednesday, October 22.
Village Development Procedures Committee
Commissioner Shields stated that his committee had met on the
procedures and it is the feeling of the committee that the procedures
are adequate as written. Their only recommendation is that they be
adhered to by the Village. Commissioner Keister added that he felt
the Village Administration is not adhering to these procedures. After
further discussion it was concluded that when the staff member that
will be working with the Plan Commission is hired, he should pay
particular attention to procedures set forth in the document listing
these procedures.
Comprehensive Planning Process
Chairman Genrich stated that in certain ways there are forces at work in
Lake County which facilitate new development in unincorporated areas.The same
thing applies to Cook CoulL,y. He added that there are real problems
that come about when developments are approved in unincorporated areas.
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Chairman Genrich distributed copies of a draft of a proposal that
the Plan Commission and perhaps the Village Board could adopt and
forward to the Lake County and Cook County boards.
Commissioner Goldspiel moved that this draft of 10/15/75 be adopted
as a policy position of the Plan Commission and be forwarded to the
Village Board as its recommendation for village policy to be ennunciated
in all applicable situations including gatherings of the Northwest
Municipal Conference, Cook County hearings on comprehensive planning
and to the Lake County Board. Commissioner Mendenhall seconded the
motion and it passed unanimously. (Mr. Shields was asked by Chairman
Genrich to edit this draft before it was forwarded to the Board and
the Plan Commission approved. )
Mr. Marienthal stated he would be happy to present the proposal to
the Village Board. He added that he felt it should be a policy of
this village in the future.
Communications
Chairman Genrich stated he had received a letter from Centex dated
October 2 referring to a development called Harpers Landing by
Allister Builders in Hoffman Estates which has been quite successful
and similar to their plans for the Winston Square development. Centex
offered to arrange a tour of Harpers Landing for the Plan Commission.
Commissioner Goldspiel stated he has been out to see it and it is
close enough for each commissioner to go out and see it on his own.
A news release from the Illinois Association of Park Districts was
received by Chairman Genrich stating that Buffalo Grove Park District
received recognition for their tree planting programs. They are
one of five park districts in the state to receive it.
Commissioner Genrich received a letter from the League of Women
Voters in Elk Grove Village to attend a round table discussion on
October 22. Because of the Public Hearing on that date, the Plan
Commission cannot attend and Chairman Genrich asked the recording
secretary to send them a letter to this effect.
A letter was received by Chairman Genrich dated October 3 from the
Plat Committee of the Lake County Board saying that the Lake County
Board has instructed the County Recorder not to record any plat or
any subdivision plat including those in the municipalities unless
it has been approved by the Plat Committee. Chairman Genrich said
he had spoken with Mr. Raysa concerning this and Mr. Raysa does not
think they can legally require this. Mr. Genrich added that the
Plan Commission will not do anything on its own unless suggested
by the village to do so.
Plan Commission Vacancy
Chairman Genrich stated that Mr. Mel Kandel had attended three or
four Plan Commission meetings as a prospective member. He is an
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engineer for Illinois Bell Telephone and has been with them for
23 years. He has lived in Buffalo Grove since 1971. Commissioner
Mendenhall made a motion that the Plan Commission recommend to the
Village Board the appointment of Mr. Mel Kandel to the Plan Commission.
Commissioner Keister seconded the motion. A vote was taken and the
motion carried.
Chairman Genrich introduced Gail Braband to the Plan Commission as
a prospective member. Ms. Braband stated she has lived in Buffalo
Grove for two years and is on the Public Relations Committee and
is a secretary for the Historical Society.
Committee Reports
Commissioner Goldspiel stated he had met with the Transportation
Committee and the main points expressed were that Lake County thinks
the Buffalo Grove taxi cab is a feasible thing and the Arlington
Heights station bus route is something they want to study. He
added that the Transportation Committee is still in an information
gathering phase and intend to go into a survey soon. Commissioner
Goldspiel stated he felt the RTA. should be watched extremely close.
Future Agenda
Chairman Genrich stated that the Plan Commission would be meeting in
a joint meeting with the Appearance Commission and the Village Board
on October 29 regarding the Village Center. This meeting would
allow the Village to make some design input into the plan.
Adjournment
The motion was made to adjourn and seconded. The meeting adjourned
at 10:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
da Isonhart, Recording Secretary
APPROVED:
Carl Genr , Chairman
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WHEELING VILLAGE OF WHEELING
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September 12, 1975
Mr. Carl Genrich, Chairman
Buffalo Grove Plan Commission
1 Regent Court East
Buffalo Grove, Illinois 60090
Dear Mr. Genrich:
For your information I am enclosing a copy of a brief
summary of the joint meeting between the Buffalo Grove
and Wheeling Plan Commissions on August 27, 1975. The
meeting proved to be most worthwhile and we look forward
to a fine working relationship between our Villages.
Very truly yours,
VILLAGE OF WHEELING
G. C. Passolt
Village Manager
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MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, August 27, 1975, BETWEEN BUFFALO GROVE AND
WHEELING PLAN COMMISSIONS.
Preannexation Agreement Plan is made a part of the agreement when Buffalo Grove
meets with a developer.
The question arose relative to renting condos that were originally meant to be sold.
Buffalo Grove felt that a Village could not dictate this as private residences are rented
Y' as well as sold.
Buffalo Grove Plan Commissions handles most of the zoning. Zoning Board handles
most variances zoning from broader to more restrictive. If the zoning does not
affect the overall plan - Zoning Board handles it.
Plan Commission (Buffalo Grove) Procedures:
1. Approach Village Manager, Village President, and Plan Commission Chairman
2. Formal application is made to Board
3. Given to Plan Commission which holds work shops and knows essentially what is
planned before public hearings. Essentially all planning is done before Zoning.
Preliminary Plat and Final Plat done at time of zoning.
Buffalo Grove likes the workshops as the public can participate in them.
Buffalo Grove figures the number of school age children by using the Illinois School
Consulting Service. They then request either land or money. After a complex
is occupied another headcount is taken and the request is adjusted to suit. Their
school districts and park districts submit their calculations also.
On recommendations; B uffalo Grove Plan Commission felt that this was the
decision of the President and Board of Trustees solely, to decide boundaries.
Buffalo Grove's PUD Ordinance is designed with flexibility - there can be from 6 -
10 units - the developer gives a little and Buffalo Grove gives a little.
Relative to buffer areas - Buffalo Grove requires buffer areas and listens to all people
attending their meetings. Planning should take in all adjoining villages.
Both Plan Commissions felt that they should work together to deter developers
playing one village against the other. There arecommon schools, Fire Departments,
library and all this has to be considered.
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