1987-10-21 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
Doetsch Property
Covington Corporate Center, Unit 1
October 21, 1987
Chairman Sheldon called the regular meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. in the
Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois.
Commissioners Present: Chairman Sheldon
Mr. Goldspiel
Mr. Krug
Mr. Musfeldt - arrived at 7:47 P.M.
Mr. Rhodes
Mr. Katz
Ms. Silz
Mr. Lundine
Commissioners Absent: Mr. Davis
Also Present: Mr. J. Truesdell, Planner, Doetsch Property
Mr. P. Leder, Engineer, Doetsch Property
Mr. M. Christenson, Planner, Covington Corp. Cntr.
Mr. W. Reid, Village Trustee
Mr. R. Pfeil, Village Planner
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Moved by Commissioner Lundine, seconded by Commissioner Rhodes, to approve
the Regular Meeting minutes of October 7, 1987 as amended. Approval was
unanimous in favor, and the motion passed.
Moved by Commissioner Goldspiel, seconded by Commissioner Lundine, to approve
the Public Hearing Meeting minutes of October 7, 1987 as amended. Approval
was unanimous in favor and the motion passed.
Moved by Commissioner Goldspiel, seconded by Commissioner Lundine, to approve
the Executive Session Meeting minutes of October 7, 1987 as amended.
Approval was unanimous in favor and the motion passed.
COMMITTEE & LIAISON REPORTS
None
DOETSCH PROPERTY
Mr. Truesdell stated the plan is the same as presented previously. The only
revision is the shape of the retention area.
Commissioner Musfeldt arrived.
They are not asking for any variations with this plan except from the
Development Ordinance to allow the use of Enkamat. They are proposing 64
single family lots. A typical lot would be 70' x 125' but they will have
lots in excess of the minimum requirements. They are providing the bike path
from the duplexes to the south to Highland Road. They have committed to
provide the bike path through the green belt. They looked at putting in some
islands along Pauline but this would cut down on the curvature of the street
and have a negative effect on the green belt. The larger lots did not have
the same room.
Mr. Carmignani's memo indicated that the future ultimate projected traffic on
Pauline falls in line with the acceptable range for a normal collector
street. It would create a similar amount of traffic as Brandywyn. Mr.
Truesdell proposed to go with the plan because it makes a better development,
curvature of the street is better, there are larger lots, the open space
works better and since they will not have a real traffic problem, he feels it
would be a good plan for the Village. They plan on making an appropriate
cash donation to the park and school districts. They will dedicate the bike
path to the park district. The maintenance of the cul-de-sacs islands, the
entry way and retention he proposed to be taken over by the Village and the
park district take over the bike path. If this could not be accomplished,
they would create a homeowners association to cover it. Regarding the off
site monument at Route 83 and Pauline, they would not be able to do this as
they do not own property there. They will create an entry feature at Weiland
Road.
Mr. Truesdell passed out sample drawings of the homes they are building at
Bloomingdale. The units range from $155,000.00 to $215,000.00 base price at
this site. They will be building this product and that developed in Astor
Place on this new site.
Mr. Leder briefly reviewed the engineering. They have ample room to
accommodate the required storage and slope, the walkways and paths around the
lake, the safety ledges will be installed and this meets the Village codes. 1
They have proposed Enkamat around the shore line in lieu of stone. The normal
water elevation at the lowest is 677.5' and the highest is 683' . The middle
of the pond is 15' deep. The outflow would go out to Weiland and that is the
way the natural drainage flows.
Mr. Truesdell stated Lots 18 and 4 will have a 35' rear yard. The homes will
be setting on an angle. They are not proposing fencing around the open space
but the homeowners might put it in. The center island is approximately 100'
wide and 30' across.
Trustee Reid noted that Lots 1, 1, 20 and 30 did not have the access by the
major arterial but by the side street.
Mr. Leder stated the high water line of the detention depth would be 2' or 3'
off the sidewalk and another 25' or so to the normal water line. There will
be a berm along the north property line.
Mr. Truesdell stated they will have a landscape plan for the public hearing.
They do plan on landscaping the islands but it will be a type that does not
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cause a sight line problem. Soil borings were done.
Commissioner Katz felt that there was a safety situation with the landscaped
island and pedestrians crossing the streets.
Mr. Truesdell stated dry detention would require another acre of land
Commissioner Lundine would like dry detention and was concerned about the
safety aspects of retention. A dry detention could be an area that could be
used for another purpose when dry.
Mr. Pfeil stated that Mr. Boysen had noted that retention areas are not
maintained by homeowners usually and felt this would eventually become into
the Village's responsibility. He would prefer dry detention.
Mr. Truesdell stated the plan would be very difficult to make work if it had
to go to a dry detention basin. He feels this would be a much more
attractive feature as a retention pond.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked staff to get information for the public hearing
on the sewers in the area, their condition and to check to make sure Lots 5
and 6 are buildable.
Trustee Reid questioned if the premium lots were sold for more money, would
the developer be giving some of that extra money to the Village if the
Village maintains the detention.
Mr. Truesdell stated if the Village took over the retention possibly
something could be worked out, but he was not with the marketing end of the
development.
Mr. Pfeil stated the Village engineer is satisfied with the performance of
Enkamat but may not want the Village ordinance changed to allow it. Mr.
Pfeil will request Mr. Kuenkler submit a written report on this item.
COVINGTON CORPORATE CENTER, UNIT 1
Moved by Commissioner Goldspiel, seconded by Commissioner Rhodes that
Covington Corporate Center, Unit 1 - Lot 10 - Plat of Resubdivision dated
October 14, 1987 be recommended for approval to the Village Board.
Discussion:
Mr. Christenson stated the easements on the plat denote the detention ponds.
Lot 10 is divided into Lots l0A and 10B because the user did not need the
entire area. They are both useable lots. The Village engineer has reviewed
this, it is in accordance with the Village ordinance and it closes.
AYES: Goldspiel, Krug, Musfeldt, Katz, Rhodes, Silz and Lundine
NAYES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Davis
The motion passed 7 - 0.
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FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE
Chairman Sheldon noted that there is to be a special meeting for a public
hearing on the police facility and The Crossings second workshop on November
11, 1987.
Mr. Krug asked to have the bike path along the west end of Weidner looked
into.
Mr. Pfeil will review this and report back to the Commission.
Commissioner Musfeldt stated that on October 19, 1987 the Village Board
reviewed a plan for Children's World on Weiland Road.
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Musfeldt, seconded by Commissioner Goldspiel, and
unanimously carried to adjourn the meeting. Chairman Sheldon adjourned the
meeting at 9:35 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathleen Comer
Recording Secretary
APPROVED BY:
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Barbara Sheldon
Chairman
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