2009-12-16 - Plan Commission - Minutes Board or Commission: ❑ Plan Commission
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PUBLIC HEARING
(continued from December 2, 2009)
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
December 16, 2009
Buffalo Grove Martial Arts, 700 Armstrong Drive—
Special use for a recreational facility in the Industrial District
Chairman Ottenheimer called the hearing to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Village Council Chambers,
Buffalo Grove Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Chairman
Ottenheimer read the Notice of public Hearing as published in the Buffalo Grove Daily Herald,
explained the procedure to be followed for the public hearing, and swore in all persons who
wished to give testimony.
Commissioners present; Chairman Ottenheimer
Mr. Smith
Mr. Teplinsky
Mr. Cohn
Mr. Weinstein
Commissioners absent: Ms. Bocek
Mr. Khan
Mr. Stark
Ms. Myer
Also present: Mr. Bert Witte, NHW Enterprises, Inc.
Ms. Beverly Sussman, Village Trustee
Mr. William Raysa, Village Attorney
Mr. Robert Pfeil, Village Planner
The following exhibits were presented by the petitioner at the public hearing:
Exhibit D: Memo from Mr. Witte to Mr. Pfeil dated December 16, 2009
Exhibit E: Memo from Mr. Pfeil to the Plan Commission dated December 11, 2009
Exhibit F: Revised class schedule to indicate delay between classes
Commissioner Teplinsky asked about the revised report noting what the Village believes is the
maximum number of parking spaces available for the facility.
Mr. Witte noted it has been amended to 17 from 18.
Commissioner Teplinsky noted there are 17 spots and the staff report eliminated the 8 parking
spaces on the east side of the facility. The staff report indicates that there are 22 total spaces
including the ones on the apron. He asked if 22 parking spaces will be adequate to service
current clients and whatever future expansion in service is anticipated.
Mr. Witte stated he is not really looking for much expansion in the next couple of years. In
order to increase the amount of available parking spaces, he will be contacting adjacent property
owners to request the use of other properties for overflow parking. However, time is of the
essence with the contingences he has on his sales contract to purchase the building. Right now
with the 22 spaces available there may be some difficulty with the attendance count at his current
facility in Town Center. He noted the count is from one of his heavier weeks concerning student
attendance.
Commissioner Teplinsky asked if Mr. Witte regularly maintains a count of his classes.
Mr. Witte stated he has a desktop management program which he uses to record attendance. He
noted that parking demand is very light during the weekly classes for kids. The sessions for
adults are when parking demand is greatest. He further noted that not all of the students in
"adult" classes are of driving age.
Commissioner Teplinsky asked where parents are likely to drop-off kids.
Mr. Witte stated drop-off will probably be in front of the truck dock close to the front entrance.
Commissioner Teplinsky noted the lane of traffic on Armstrong is a left turn only and it would
not be an appropriate place for parents to stop and drop off kids on the street. He asked if Mr.
Witte would make reasonable attempts to ensure that parents did not, in fact, drop off their kids
on the street there.
Mr. Witte noted he cannot police anyone outside of his building, but he would do everything
possible to inform customers the area to be used for drop—offs and pick—ups. He further noted he
is planning to use a 15 minute buffer period between classes so that people who are finished with
their class will leave, making more parking available for students arriving for the next class.
This will extend his closing time to 9:00 p.m.
Commissioner Teplinsky noted that Mr. Witte recognizes that parking is an issue and that steps
will be taken to try to ensure that the problems are alleviated by contacting adjacent neighbors
for overflow parking. Mr. Witte will try to ensure that parents do not drop kids off on the street
or park illegally on the street. Mr. Witte will also stagger the schedule so there is not a lot of
overlap between people arriving and leaving the facility.
Commissioner Weinstein asked if any thought had been given to adding a second curb cut to
create a circular driveway on Armstrong Drive.
Mr. Witte stated no and that would have to be something to discuss with Village staff because
there is probably a public easement in there for utilities and such.
Commissioner Weinstein wondered if you could park along the curb cut within the parking lot if
a turnaround could be fashioned there.
Mr. Pfeil noted that the Village Engineer and the Police traffic unit would be involved in
evaluating an additional curb cut in relation to the Lexington Drive intersection. If the traffic
volume using this driveway is very light, a new curb cut may be feasible, but the proximity to the
intersection is a major constraint.
There being no further comments or questions from anyone else present, Chairman Ottenheimer
closed the public hearing at 8:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Fay Rubin, Recording Secretary
APPROVED BY:
LESTER OTTENHEIMER, Chair
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Meeting ate: 12/16/2009
Type of Meeting: ❑ Regular Meeting
REGULAR MEETING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
December 16, 2009
Buffalo Grove Martial Arts, 700 Armstrong Drive
Special use for a recreation facility in the Industrial District
Chairman Ottenheimer called the meeting to order at 8:50 p.m. in the Village Council Chambers,
Buffalo Grove Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois
Commissioners present: Chairman Ottenheimer
Mr. Smith
Mr. Teplinsky
Mr. Cohn
Mr. Weinstein
Commissioners absent: Ms. Bocek
Mr. Khan
Mr. Stark
Ms. Myer
Also present: Mr. Bert Witte, NHW Enterprises, Inc.
Ms. Beverly Sussman, Village Trustee
Mr. William Raysa, Village Attorney
Mr. Robert Pfeil, Village Planner
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Moved by Commissioner Weinstein, seconded by Commissioner Smith to approve the public
hearing minutes of November 18, 2009. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion and the
motion passed unanimously with Chairman Ottenheimer and Commissioner Teplinsky
abstaining.
Moved by Commissioner Weinstein, seconded by Commissioner Smith to approve the regular
meeting minutes of November 18, 2009. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion and the
motion passed unanimously with Chairman Ottenheimer and Commissioner Teplinsky
abstaining.
Moved by Commissioner Teplinsky, seconded by Commissioner Weinstein to approve the
public hearing minutes of December 2, 2009. Commissioner Cohn noted a conflict in the
number of parking spaces (42) quoted on page 3. Commissioner Cohn noted he remembers the
number 42 floating around the meeting but whether or not that number was correct is another
thing. Commissioner Teplinsky noted in response to his question that number was mentioned
and he was puzzled at the time. Then Mr. Witte corrected and reiterated it.
Mr. Pfeil asked if the minutes could reflect the actual numbers rather than the guesstimate. He
suggested that the "42" be replaced by "34" parking spaces.
All Commissioners were in favor of the amended motion and the motion passed unanimously.
Moved by Commissioner Weinstein, seconded by Commissioner Smith to approve the regular
meeting minutes of December 2, 2009. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion and the
motion passed unanimously.
COMMITTEE AND LIAISON REPORTS
Commissioner Weinstein stated he attended the Village Board meeting on December 7, 2009 at
which there were no referrals to the Plan Commission. The special use for a child day care home
at 1347 Devonshire was approved with some extra conditions.
BUFFALO GROVE MARTIAL ARTS, 700 ARMSTRONG DRIVE — SPECIAL USE FOR A
RECREATION FACILITY IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT
Chairman Ottenheimer noted there is a motion pending that is still open.
Commissioner Cohn stated he proposes to withdraw the pending motion and replace it with the
following motion.
Moved by Commissioner Cohn, seconded by Commissioner Teplinsky to recommend approval
to the Village Board for a special use for a recreational facility in the Industrial District for the
operation of the Buffalo Grove Martial Arts at 700 Armstrong Drive, subject to:
1. That the petitioner shall make every attempt to contact adjacent property owners to
investigate the availability of additional off-site parking;
2. That the petitioner shall make every effort to ensure that the students and other drivers to
the facility do not drop off children on the street or park illegally on the street;
3. That the petitioner shall manage class scheduling so as to avoid overlap in parking
demand by students arriving and leaving the facility.
Commissioner Teplinsky noted he is concerned about compliance with special use standards
mainly due to the parking issue, and possible impacts on safety in the area. To the petitioner's
credit, he was quite candid and recognizes there is a potential problem with parking demand.
However, based upon the conditions that Commissioner Cohn put into the recommendation and
on the petitioner's representations, he will vote in favor of the special use.
Commissioner Cohn stated he agrees with Commissioner Teplinsky's comments and feels the
petitioner has shown good faith in addressing ways to manage parking demand to avoid
problems, and he is willing to accept that good faith. He believes the petitioner will do whatever
is required to try to make sure that this works. With these conditions he feels it can be accepted.
Chairman Ottenheimer called for a vote on the motion and the vote was as follows:
AYES: Smith, Teplinsky, Cohn, Weinstein, Ottenheimer
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Bocek, Khan, Stark, Myer
ABSTAIN: None
The motion passed 5 to 0.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT—None
FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE
Mr. Pfeil said the next regular meeting date is January 6, 2010, but at this point there are no
petitions or developer requests that need to be scheduled for this date.
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS—None
STAFF REPORT-None
NEW BUSINESS—None
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Weinstein, seconded by Commissioner Smith and carried unanimously
to adjourn. Chairman Ottenheimer adjourned the meeting at 9:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Fay Rubin, Recording Secretary
APPROVED BY:
LESTER OTTENHEIMER, Chair