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BUFFALO GROVE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
FEBRUARY 19, 2008
Chairman Entman called the Zoning Board of Appeals regular meeting to order at 7:31 P.M. on
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 in the Council Chambers of the Village Hall, 50 Raupp Boulevard.
ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: Commissioner Stein
Commissioner Dunn
Commissioner Windecker
Vice-Chair Sandler
Commissioner Shapiro
Chairman Entman
Commissioners Absent: Commissioner Lesser
Also Present: Edward Schar, Building Commissioner
Brian Sheehan, Deputy Building Commissioner
William Raysa, Village Attorney
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
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January 15, 2008 minutes:
Corn. Dunn made a motion to approve the minutes of the Zoning Board of Appeals regular meeting
held on Tuesday, January 15, 2008. Corn. Windecker seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE — Stein, Dunn, Windecker, Shapiro, Entman
NAY — None
ABSTAIN — Sandler
Motion Passed 5 to 0, 1 Abstention. Minutes approved as submitted.
BUSINESS
409 GARDENIA LANE, DARREN AND DENISE WEHRENBERG — ZONING
ORDINANCE, SECTION 17.40.050, TO BRING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO
CONFORMANCE AND TO CONSTRUCT A ONE-STORY ADDITION THAT, IN TOTAL,
WOULD ENCROACH A DISTANCE OF 10' INTO THE REQUIRED 30' REAR YARD
SETBACK
Mr. Darren Wehrenberg and Mrs. Denise Wehrenberg, 409 Gardenia Lane, and Mr. Mark Linstrom,
Windy City Construction, 4117 Prairie Avenue, Schiller Park, Illinois 60176, were present and sworn
in. The public hearing notice published in the Daily Herald on January 31 , 2008 was read.
Mrs. Wehrenberg explained that they would like to put a one-story addition onto the house for
entertainment purposes. Theywere recentlymarried and their families are growing. Instead of
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moving, they would like to stay in Buffalo Grove and enlarge the house. The addition would include
expanding the dining room, kitchen and family room. The total square footage of the addition would
be three-hundred thirty (330) square feet. They have two teenage children. The proposed addition
would match the existing house materials. A portion of the existing house already encroaches into the
rear yard setback. The rear corner of the house is approximately twenty-two (22) feet from the rear
property line and eight(8)feet into the setback.
Ch. Entman read the Village Engineer's memorandum addressed to Edward Schar dated February 4,
2008 which states: "There is an existing extreme grade at the southeast corner of the planned
addition. Thai can be addressed with the final plan documents." The Petitioner has received this
report.
Ch. Entman asked if the Petitioner has spoken with their neighbor's. Mrs. Wehrenberg advised that
she has spoken with the neighbor's to each side and a few down the street. She has not spoken with
the neighbor to the rear.
Com. Stein stated that the public hearing sign is no longer posted at the property. Mr. Wehrenberg
stated that the sign was knocked over by a snow plow and is buried under the snow.
Mr. Mark Lobl and Mrs. Laura Lobl, 410 Chateau Drive, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, were present and
sworn in. Mr. Lobl explained that they were never spoken to by the Petitioner concerning the
proposed addition. They object to the proposed addition. The existing house is only twenty-two (22)
feet from the property line. The house is skewed on the lot because it is located on a cul-de-sac.
Much more of the proposed addition would intrude into the setback and would only be twenty (20)
feet away. This would not be in character with the rest of the subdivision. The proposed addition
would devalue their property. It would also not be aesthetically in character with the neighborhood.
Photographs were submitted by the objectors along with a written email of their objection. These
were marked as Exhibit"F".
Mrs. Lobl explained a photograph that was taken from their kitchen window that shows the close
proximity of the existing house. There is a similar view from their family room as well. They spend a
lot of time in the kitchen. They feel the house is already close.
Ch. Entman asked Mr. and Mrs. Lobl about the distance of their house to the property line. Mr. Lobl
advised that their house is thirty(30) feet from the property line.
Com. Shapiro asked the Petitioner's about the railing shown on the proposed elevations. Mrs.
Wehrenberg advised that there would not be a balcony or railing. Corn. Shapiro asked if they were
adding onto the part of the house that is two-stories. Mrs. Wehrenberg advised that they are not
adding onto the second story portion of the house.
Corn. Sandler confirmed that the proposed addition would encroach another two (2) to three (3) feet
on the east.
Ch. Entman asked if the Petitioner's would add a patio. Mr. Wehrenberg advised that they would not
add a patio at this time. Mr. Linstrom added that a three (3) foot by three (3) foot landing would be
included as required by code.
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Ch. Entman does not have an issue with bringing the existing house into conformance. He does have
an issue with the proposed addition. He must balance the concerns of the neighbor to the rear with
the Petitioner's needs. He cannot support the request as it has been submitted.
Corn. Stein confirmed that the proposed addition would span the entire length of the rear of the
home.
Corn. Windecker asked the Petitioner why the kitchen and the dining room need to be expanded as
well. Mrs. Wehrenberg explained that she cooks and entertains all the time.
Com. Stein asked what the total square footage of the current house is. Mrs. Wehrenberg advised that
the current square footage is less than 1700 square feet. Com. Stein asked about the size of the
current kitchen. Mr. Linstrom advised that the kitchen is ten (10) feet by thirteen (13) feet.
Corn. Dunn commented that the house is close without the variance. The neighbor's would feel like
they are looking into the Petitioner's windows. The proposed addition may affect landscaping of the
surrounding neighbors. It may also have a significant impact on drainage. The Village Engineer has
anticipated an issue that he would address if the variation is granted.
Ch. Entman asked how far the addition would expand into the rear yard. Mr. Linstrom replied that
the addition would start at three (3) feet and angles for eleven (11) feet, then the line becomes
straight again across the kitchen and the dining room. The kitchen and dining room would extend
approximately eight (8) feet out.
\./ There were no additional questions or comments from the Commissioners. There were no additional
questions or comments from the audience.
Com. Sandler made the following motion:
I move we grant the request made by Darren and Denise Wehrenberg, 409 Gardenia Lane, for
variance of Zoning Ordinance, Section 17.40.050, pertaining to the R-9 Multiple-Family Dwelling
District, for the purpose of bringing the existing structure into conformance concerning a deficiency
of 7.96 foot into the required thirty (30) foot rear yard setback.
Corn. Windecker seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE — Stein, Dunn, Windecker, Sandler, Shapiro, Entman
NAY — None
ABSTAIN — None
Motion Passed 6 to 0. Findings of Fact attached.
Com. Sandler made the following motion:
I move we grant the request made by Darren and Denise Wehrenberg, 409 Gardenia Lane, for
variance of Zoning Ordinance, Section 17.40.050, pertaining to the R-9 Multiple-Family Dwelling
District, for the purpose of constructing a one-story addition that, in total, would encroach ten (10)
feet into the required thirty (30) foot rear yard setback.
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Subject to the Village Engineer's memorandum dated February 4, 2008. Materials to match the
existing construction in like kind and quality. The Petitioner has demonstrated hardship and unique
circumstances. The proposed addition will not be detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare
and will not alter the essential character of the neighborhood.
Corn. Dunn seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE—Sandler, Shapiro
NAY—Stein, Dunn,Windecker, Entman
ABSTAIN—None
Motion Denied by a vote of 2 to 4. Findings of Fact attached. Petitioner was advised of their right to
appeal the decision to the Village Board.
ROGERS CENTRE FOR COMMERCE, ARTHUR J. ROGERS AND COMPANY —
REVIEW OF THE EXISTING "FOR RENT, SALE, LEASE SIGN" LOCATED AT THE
SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BARCLAY BOULEVARD AND APTAKISIC ROAD
Mr. Norman Ross, Arthur J. Rogers and Company, 1601 Barclay Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois,
was present and sworn in.
Mr. Ross explained that when they last appeared before the Zoning Board, they had a little more than
70,000 square feet vacant. In the last six (6) months, they have leased 7,000 square feet. They still
currently have 63,000 square feet that is vacant. That represents sixteen percent (16%) of the
property. The general real estate market has been relatively quite. They are looking for any help that
they can get and the sign is certainly a help to them. We will do just about anything to finish a deal
and sign a lease whether it is a better price. They do need the sign with the current economic
conditions.
Ch. Entman confirmed that phone calls have increased twenty-five percent (25%) after the overlay
was placed on the sign. Mr. Ross advised that the calls have been continuing since the overlay was
added. He added that they have 28,375 square feet that will be expiring in six (6) months. These are
existing leases. They plan to renew a majority of those. Ch. Entman asked if they have heard from
any of those tenants that they would not renew their lease. Mr. Ross stated that a couple of tenants
have advised that they would not renew.
Ch. Entman stated the Board would like to see temporary signs be temporary. They understand with
the economies of the market it gets difficult. He would like to see this sign come back for review in
six(6)months.
Corn. Sandler agrees with Ch. Entman concerning the temporary signs. He would be OK with
reviewing the sign in one(1)year.
Corn. Dunn agrees with the other Commissioners concerning the temporary signs becoming
permanent. There will always be vacancies. The temporary signs are here all the time. Maybe there
needs to be some change to the ordinance concerning these types of signs. Mr. Ross advised that they
previously had a permanent backlit sign that they took down. The temporary sign does a better job
than the permanent backlit sign. Corn. Dunn stated that the temporary sign does better because of the
bright color that was allowed to be added a couple years ago.
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Ch. Entman wants to keep a close tab on these types of signs because the market changes so quickly.
He would like to review this again around July to see how the leasing went in the spring.
Discussion took place among the Commissioners concerning the use and time limitations of
temporary signs.
Com. Shapiro asked Mr. Ross about the vacancy rate at other Arthur J. Rogers properties. Mr. Ross
replied that the property in Vernon Hills is similar to the property in Buffalo Grove. The current
vacancy rate is about fifteen percent (15%) across the board. This had started about a year or two
ago. They were running around ninety-six percent (96%) to ninety-seven percent (97%) occupied.
They have hit some bumps in the last two (2) years. They also have a lot of small units. There are
over one-hundred(100) small 2,000 to 5,000 square foot units. They had a tenant with 22,000 square
feet of space that left. Currently there are proposals out the split the space up.
Com. Stein asked how long a temporary sign has been for this business park. Mr. Ross advised that
the current sign has been up for about two (2)years. Prior to that,they have had a sign, in some cases
two (2) signs, for about six(6) or seven (7) years. Corn. Stein does not have any issues with allowing
this sign to remain.
Corn. Windecker stated that the occupied rate will never be at one-hundred percent(100%).
Ch. Entman would prefer to review this sign in six(6)months.
There were no additional questions or comments from the Commissioners.
Corn. Stein made the following motion:
Corn. Stein made a motion to allow the existing For Rent, Sale, Lease Sign for Arthur J. Rogers &
Company to remain at the southwest corner of Barclay Boulevard and Aptakisic Road for six
months. This sign will be reviewed at the August 19, 2008 Zoning Board of Appeals meeting for
status.
Corn. Windecker seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE—Stein,Dunn,Windecker, Sandler, Shapiro,Entman
NAY—None
ABSTAIN—None
Motion Passed 6 to 0. Item to appear on the August 19, 2008 Zoning Board of Appeals agenda for
status review.
1250 RADCLIFFE ROAD, LORD'S LOVE COMMUNITY CHURCH — SIGN CODE,
SECTION 14.20.010, TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL IDENTIFICATION WALL SIGN ON
THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING AND, IN TOTAL, WOULD EXCEED THE
ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ALL SIGNS BY 18 SQUARE FEET
Reverend Jeom Kim, Lord's Love Community Church, 1250 Radcliffe Road, and Ms. Jo Yu,
Cosmos Signs, 3630 Wolf Road, Franklin Park, Illinois 60131, were present and sworn in. The
public hearing notice published in the Daily Herald on January 28, 2008 was read.
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Ms. Yu explained that after the December 18, 2007 Zoning Board of Appeals meeting it was
discovered that the sign could not be made in individual channel letters to be illuminated in that size.
They had to change to from the channel letters to a light box.It is the same size.
There were no questions or comments from the Commissioners. There were no questions or
comments from the audience.
Petitioner has withdrawn the previous Sign Code variation request approved by the Zoning Board of
Appeals on December 18,2007.
Corn.Dunn made the following motion:
I move we recommend to the Village Board to grant the request made by Lord's Love Community
Church,1250 Radcliffe Road,for variance of Sign Code,Section 14.20.010,pertaining to Residential
Districts,for the purpose of installing an additional identification wall sign on the west elevation of
the building and,in total,would exceed the allowable square footage for all signs by eighteen(18)
square feet.Subject to the sign being installed pursuant to Exhibit"E".
Pursuant to Sign Code,Section 14.44.010,Subsection B.
Corn.Windecker seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote:AYE—Stein,Dunn,Windecker,Sandler,Shapiro,Entman
NAY—None
ABSTAIN—None
Motion Passed 6 to 0.Findings of Fact attached.Item to appear on the March 17,2008 Village Board
agenda.
900 DEERFIELD PARKWAY, BRIGHT LIGHT SIGN COMPANY ON BEHALF OF
CROSSCOM NATIONAL — SIGN CODE, SECTIONS 14.20.050 AND 14.20.070, TO
INSTALL A GROUND SIGN THAT WOULD BE LOCATED LESS THAN 250'FROM AN
EXISTING PERMANENT GROUND SIGN ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET
Mr. William Holly,Bright Light Sign Company, 310 Telser Road, Lake Zurich, Illinois and Ms.
Lauren Mazier,CrossCom National,900 Deerfield Parkway,were present and sworn in.The public
hearing notice published in the Daily Herald on January 31,2008 was read.
Mr.Holly explained that they are proposing to install a new ground sign at 900 Deerfield Parkway.
The proposed location is appropriate for the sign.The sign will be one-hundred-ten(110)feet from
an existing ground sign. The proposed location is alongside the entrance of the property. The
adjacent property and 900 Deerfield Parkway share the same driveway entrance. The neighboring
sign was installed near the driveway on the Siemen's side.They would like to install this sign toward
the driveway on the CrossCom property.To try and locate the sign at two-hundred-fifty(250)feet
from the existing Siemen's sign would put this sign in the middle of the property as opposed to near
the entrance.They feel that would be a problem as far as identifying the entrance to the building.The
entrance could be missed and then people would need to turn around.Another problem with locating
the sign outside of the two-hundred-fifty(250)feet is a sharp berm with established landscaping that
could obstruct the sign.The proposed location is a very flat area and is wide open and visible from
both directions. A revised photograph was distributed to the Commissioners that show the exact
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location of the proposed sign. The photograph shown on Exhibit "E" shows the sign at the two-
hundred-fifty (250) foot location. The Siemen's ground sign can be seen in the revised photograph.
The Siemen's sign is not very high. He does not believe that the proposed sign would cause any
obstructions to the existing Siemen's sign.
Ms. Mazier added that there is a unique situation if traveling east to west along Deerfield Parkway.
Siemen's has a few locations along Deerfield Parkway and you can see the Siemen's signs. If the
proposed sign is located on the high berm past the driveway, you would miss the driveway. It would
be creating a traffic situation. Siemen's name is well established along that stretch of Deerfield
Parkway and she does not believe that the proposed sign would detract from that.
Ch. Entman asked what type of business is CrossCom National. Ms. Mazier stated that CrossCom
National is a full life cycle retail asset management from staging configuration asset tagging to
maintenance,repair and restore and reporting. Ch. Entman asked if is retail real estate properties. Ms.
Mazier replied that they sell to the public all the electronic equipment that is in that store, credit card
swipers, monitors, cash registers, etc. They do not actually sell them the products, customers advise
which products to buy and they stage them out. They also monitor the equipment so if there is ever a
problem, this facility has a large call center for any problems. They would immediately get a
technician out there to repair it. They also do some storing of equipment. Ch. Entman asked if
customers would be coming in and out of the property and would there be deliveries. Ms. Mazier
advised that there are some deliveries and they do have customers coming to this location. This
location is their showroom to showcase how all five (5) aspects of their service are integrated in one
(1) center and how it functions. It is a high-tech kind of place. Potential customers would fly into
O'Hare to come and see the operation.
Ch. Entman does not have an issue with allowing a sign at the proposed location. He asked about the
distance of the proposed sign to the driveway. Mr. Holly stated that the distance to the driveway is
approximately twenty-five (25) feet,perhaps a little further. Ch. Entman stated he does have an issue
with the height of the proposed sign. He does not see the need for that high of a sign. He would be
amenable to a sign about half the proposed height. He asked about the height of the Siemen's sign.
Mr. Holly replied that the Siemen's has three (3) or four (4) signs along that stretch of Deerfield
Parkway and those signs are smaller ground signs. He believes that those signs are appropriate for
that verbage that is on those signs. In this case, being CrossCom with logo, they need a sign that is a
little larger. The Siemen's signs are not very tall, but they are very long. That type of a sign would
not work with CrossCom's logo.
Ch. Entman stated that he is speaking about most of the signs in that area, not just Siemen's. They
are not large signs. All the necessary information has been fit into about half the sign, which is about
five (5) feet in height. Ms. Mazier added that Rexam, the building after theirs,has a sign that is about
the same height as they are proposing. Mr. Holly advised that the height does fit within the Sign
Code of the Village as far as overall square footage. The sign is actually eight (80) square feet,
including the column cover itself. That is the maximum allowed for signage in that area. They tried
to maximize the allowable square footage for the sign. Less than half of the sign is ID portion and the
rest is aluminum column cover. There is a lot of landscaping along Deerfield Parkway with a curve
in the road. If there is two (2) feet of snow in the parkway, as there has been this year, it makes the
sign look a lot smaller. The overall height of the sign is only ten (10) feet so it is not tall as far as
signs go. Ms. Mazier added that Siemen's sign are a lighter color and since they have to have their
logo against a lighter color the black base lets the sign stand out as a different company. Ch. Entman
understands all that and believes they have done a nice job,but he would like the sign to be shorter.
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Mr. Holly added that the proposed location of the sign is the lowest part of the property. The berm is
about two (2) feet above what the grade would be at the sign location.
Corn. Sandler agrees with Ch. Entman concerning the height of the proposed sign. He understands
why they want the sign closer to the driveway. Customers will not be looking for the address; they
will be looking for the company name. Once they see the sign and the logo, they will know they are
in the right place. He would like to see the height reduced.
Ms. Mazier explained that this sign will not be on a berm whereas the Siemen's sign is on a berm.
Their sign would be lower.
Mr. Holly added that it is very difficult from the photographs to see the property. The Plat of Survey
would give you a better idea as to the location of the sign. Com. Sandler responded that the Plat does
not show berm height.
Corn. Dunn agrees with the other Commissioners concerning the height of the sign.
Com. Stein also agrees that ten (10) feet is too high. He suggested a six (6) foot sign height.
After a lengthy discussion concerning the height of the sign, the Petitioner has amended their petition
to request a ground that would not exceed seven (7) feet in height.
There were no additional questions or comments from the Commissioners. There were no questions
or comments from the audience.
Corn. Windecker made the following motion:
I move we recommend to the Village Board to grant the amended request made by Bright Light Sign
Company, 310 Telser Road, Lake Zurich, Illinois 60047 on behalf of CrossCom National, 900
Deerfield Parkway, for variance of Sign Code, Section 14.20.050, pertaining to Industrial Districts;
and Section 14.20.070, pertaining to Ground Signs, for the purpose of installing a ground sign that
would be located less than the required two hundred fifty (250) feet from an existing ground sign on
the same side of the street. Subject to the sign being installed pursuant to the Exhibit submitted with
the application with the overall height of the sign not to exceed seven (7) feet.
Pursuant to Sign Code, Section 14.44.010, Sub-section B.
Corn. Shapiro seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE — Stein, Windecker, Sandler, Shapiro
NAY — Dunn, Entman
ABSTAIN — None
Motion Passed 4 to 2. Findings of Fact attached. Item to appear on the March 17, 2008 Village Board
agenda.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
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Ch.Entman and Com.Stein advised that they are planning to attend the February 25,2008 Village
Board meeting concerning the appeal made by Jean Deal,2 Crestview Terrace.
Discussion took place concerning temporary signs and how to regulate the length of time these types
of signs are allowed to remain.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion to adjourn the meeting was made by Com.Sandler and seconded by Com.Dunn.Voice Vote
—AYE was unanimous.
Ch.Entman adjourned the meeting at 9:18 P.M.
Submitted by,
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Ju' Kamka
Recording Secretary
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