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1978-09-28 - Appearance Control Commission - Minutes • APPEARANCE COMMISSION • VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILL. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 28.- 1978 1 . CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by Chairman Don Hardt at 7:42 P.M. on Thursday, September 28, 1978 at the Village Hall . 2. ROLL CALL • Present : Commissioners Kirby, Berins , Paolillo, Gibbs and Chairman Hardt .. Also present : Dominic Saviano, Bldg. Dent. QUORUM PRESENT 3. A.PPROVAL OF MINUTES The approval of the minutes from Sept . 14, 1978 was deferred until the Workshop. 4 . NEW BUSINESS • a) CRUSADE OF MERCY - Thermometer Sign Wm . Sommers - Board Member of the Wheeling-Buffalo Grove United Way ; also Assistant B.G . Village Manager . Mr. Sommers presented the sign and his request to place it on the corner of Arlington Heights Rd . and Dundee Rd . on the B.G . High School property. The duration of the sign will be the month of October (the Campaign month) . Wheeling High School students willlconstruct the sign of plywood . Lettering on the sign will be Crusade of Mercy across the top with percentages along the side of the thermometer. Ch. Hardt asked Mr. Saviano if the square corners at a 51 level would present a safety hazard . It was decided to round all the corners . Ch. Hardt also asked that gravel or stone be used around the base to secure it . Commissioner Gibbs made the following motion: I move we accept the Crusade of Mercy sign as submitted with the stipulations that : a) The four corners be rounded . b) The owners remove the sign after Nov. 1 - (or 5 days thereafter) . c) Base shall be gravel or stone, compacted around base . Co Commissioner Knaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken and the Motion Passed unenimoulsy. r b) Arlington Golf Course Condominiums Side and. Rear Elevations and Architectural Plans Deferred until the Workshop because no representatives were to be present . c) Steeple View - Sign for c Condominium Homes A. T. Henderson Co. , 345 Wheeling Mr. Henderson presented the advertising sign they urorose to erect at the corner of Lake Cook and Wieland Rds . - the North West corner - to attract customers to the new subdivision. It will be single face and angled to .favor the Westbound traffic if that meets the approval of the Commissioners . Village regulations have been discussed with Mr. Saviano and will be met . The sign is under 120 square feet , 7' x 16' with steeple }.eight 18" - - 3' off the ground. The developer will build 162 units on PUD zoned - residential property. No lights on the sign. Chairman Hardt opened discussion of the Steeple , which resembles St . iary' s Church and was informed that was the intention and that Father Duffy had been contacted for approval. The Commissioners entered into a diologue about logos on temporary signs as oi' posed to permanent business signs and a straw poll indicated that two members (D. Knaak and L. Paolillo) felt that the steeple represent- ed a definite logo and should be considered as such . Ch. Hardt , and Com. L. Berins , L. Kirby and B. Gibbs voted to recognize the advertising feature of such a sign and the precedent of the AC has been to allow similar artistic renderings on temporary billboard signs ' 9 mos . - 1 yr. The location was reviewed and it was agreed to place it on the same angle as the detention grade . It will be set in compacted granular material without a back brace. **The wording on the sign was then reviewed and changed as follows : Remove from left side : Charming 2 bedmoom - 1' Bathroom and raise - Condominium Homes . Remove from right side : Visit Our Info Center Move Weiland and L.C. Rds to Left side . Eliminate - Visit . . . .or Call Enlarge Phone no. to size of 2 lines on the Left. LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE Condominium Homes ( Phone Number Weiland & Lake Cook Rds . ( Commissioner Berins made the following motion: I move we approve the Steeple View sign, the size and color as presented with these stipulations :- a) Copy as stated above . ** b) Sign to be up for a period of 9 months ; to July 1, 1979 with automatic renewal based on the condition of the sign, with a 6 mos. duration after July 1, 1979. A pnearance Commission - 9/28/78 - P_ 2 c) Positi-n of the sign to be parallel to gradation line of detention area at the North West corner of Weiland and Lake Cook. Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion. Motion passed with a 4 Aye to 2 Nay vote as follows . Aye - Commissioners Gibbs, Berins, Kriby and Hardt. Nay - Commissioners Knaak and Faolillo • • d) Levitt Homes , Parkway Landscaping - Bruce Kruz , Landplus West . A presentation of the proposed landscaping of the portion or land that has been offered for sale to the Village of Buffalo Grove by Levitt Corp. to be developed as a natural prairie . Mr. Curz described a prairie as a possible use for the flood plain area. 75% of the space will have -+as- sive use - planted with various grasses and wild flowers that are sown all together. After 3-4 years the species "fight" for predominance and need little maintainance . Mr. Cru7 explained the amount of pollen that is produced by pine trees • exceeds that of many pollen producing plants . He said they attempt not to plant the allergy producing varieties . The area adjacent to the planned school will consist of about 2'5$ of the space to be•-a playf ie ld area. Flood .plains 'reta 4 n water after heavy rains and drainage will be slow. The lane: 'will be deeded first to the Village then to the Park District by Levitt : Builders - a total of about 16 acres . Mr. Cruz explained they were not at the meeting for approval of any landscaping plans but were here here to present a brief overview to the Commission and answer any preliminary questions . He said the plan will include trees and shrubs for screening the homes adjoining the Prairie . A maintainance clause. ' will be included in the Landplus West contract and later it will become a Park district responsibility; but not much care is needed beyond setting up the prairie process . In answer to a question regarding the area becoming a 'garbage dump' it was suggested that signs could identify the area with possible penalties for misuse . Ch. Hardt commented that the proposal looks good and that the prairie will beautify the property. He thanked Mr. Cruz for a very informative presentation and said the AC would be look- ing forward to seeing him again after the plans are finalized . LEVITT HOMES - Attached Single Family Homes Elevations of Model Area - Richard M . Kobylski Because the' Commission was not given plans to review before . the meeting, Ch. Hardt explained that nothing could be approved but that the materials would be inspected tonight so that it would not be necessary to bring them back. It was understood . Appearance Commission September 28, 1978 - Page 3. • • Mr. Kobylski made a brief presentation of the drawings of the new Attached Single Family Homes - which house two families with a common wall between the two houses . This saves land . space and is more economical . He showed the Model Area and explained the elevations . He presented the color scheme pack- ages and said they would meet the monotony code on a first come first serve basis . He presented the 4 brick styles which is specially ordered . It will have grey mortar for all homes . Ch. Hardt said red brick contains a high degree of iron.: • MeriadicAeid-will discolor it; therefore, It should be neutral- . ized with amonia solution. Aluminium siding is rough sawed look, manufactured by Crown. Gutters and downspouts were discussed. and Ch. Hardt suggested they research this before returning . Signage was mentioned . . An on-site sign - 16' x 7' sitting on the entry island, double faced . Off-site sign is larger and .the model signs will be smaller renditions . These will be reviewed together with lighting, architectural concepts , landscaping ulsn_s , and a complete site plan -- to be presented/ There was no motion to table; They will return Oct . 12, 1971 e) BILL'S BUFFALO HOUSE, Philip Kupritz of Park Ridge, Architect Mr. Kupritz was asked to present the Buffalo before considering some parking lot changes . He described the buffalo to be a fiberglas 3D standing and submitted a photograph . jne techini- cal problen is placing. a 3D structure atop a 2D structure . But since the legs are positioned close enough together to be placed without being unattractive the owners feel the Buffalo is the right scale to be compatible with the sign and that it is an appropriate symbol for the restaurant . Com. Kirby asked about the slope of the driveway and the height of the present sign. She asked if one reason for having the Buffalo was to.•increase visibility for the sign. Mr. Kupritz said no that was not the reason although the parking lot does vary in grading. He said the addition of the fiberglas animal was to generate business . The lights can be adjusted and the cut-offs can be altered . Com. Kirby said that the whole ideals not in keeping with what the AC is trying to do for Buffalo Grove . Mr. Kupritz said he would like to know all the objections so he can report back to the owners . . • Com. Kirby gave several reasons. as follows : 1- The Buffalo cheapens the sign 2- The sign appears to be too low and the Buffalo would be an add on advertising gimmick. 3- The Buffalo would detract from the sign. Com. Knaak brought up the fact that by adding the Buffalo the sign was being changed and thereforre the whole sign could be re-evaulated and the wording could be rejected. Appearance Commission Sept. 28, 1978 - Page 4. Mr. Kupritz asked if as an alternative they could put the Buffalo under the sign on the stones beneath. Ch. Hardt stated that he agreed with the other Commissioners comments regarding the Buffalo as an advertising gimmick and added that the alternative location would not meet the require- ments either. It is inappropriate because it does not keep the element of preserving the image of an old-type building - if a new modern type fiberglas addition is allowed. Ch. Hardt asked Mr. Saviano to check to see if the sign is the same sign that was OK'd including the picture of the°..buffalo . Mr. Saviano said he thought it was the same . The following motion was made by Commissioner Knaak: I move we deny the request of Bill's Buffalo House for the addition of a Fiberglas Buffalo to the top of the existing sign. (For reasons stated . ) Commissioner Paolillo seconded the motion. Roll Call vote was taken and the Motion Passed unanimously ' to DENY the sign. An appeal can be made to the Board. PARKING LOT - BILL'S BUFFALO HOUSE. • Mr. Kupritz made a request to describe the proposed plans to increase the Parking Lot to the rear of the present lot . He will return at a later date with plans showing landscaping, etc . The °Incept will be a 28 car lot , 65' x 126' to be added in anticipation of enlarging the restaurant at a later time . Since 2/3 of the property is on a flood plain and in order to meet the requirements of the flood plain ordinanceby replacing any retention area if any portion is filled lit. They plan to have the area by the creek developed as a wild life pond . Mr. Saviano said this has all been approved by the Engineering Dept . and has been working closely with Greg Boysen on the elevations etc . Fill will be brought in. Ch. Hardt said he remembered when the original building was moved paving the parking lot was discussed and because of hard- ship. the Village Board agreed to a gravel parking lot. It is the only gravel lot in.Buffalo Grove. Com . Kirby said that neither gravel or asphalt is very attractive but gravel is better. She suggested random bushes be added to make it more attractive . There is a homeowner to the South to consider when a buffer zone is designed . Mr. Kupritz said the owner is interested in the apprearence of the property and would be willing to add some plantings . Com. Knaak recalled the hardship that used to exist when cars were forced to park on the other side of the streed , so the move was of a benefit to the owner. No motion wasp 3dq to table . ('The next meeting is Oct . 12 , 1978 . ) Appearance Commission Sept . 28, 197R - Page 5, • • a) S. ARLINGTON GOLF CONDOMINIUMS Mr. Saviano read the recommendations of the AC to approve the Architectural plans as presented at the Sept . 14, 1978 meeting after the side and rear elevations had been submitted . Commissioner Kirby made the following motion: I move we approve the side and rear elevations of the Arlington Golf Course (Lundee Ed . ) as submitted . We also approve the architectural plans as reviewed on Sept . 14, 1979 , with the stipulations mentioned at that meeting . (See minutes . ) Commissioner Berins seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken and the Motion Passed unanimously. 'Amendment - Com. Kirby made the following motion: I move we further stipulate that the Guard House is omitted from the recommendation and will be reviewed with the light- ing at a later date . Commissioner Enaak seconded the ammendment. Roll Call Vote was taken and the Motion Passed unanim"usly. b) KAUFMAN & BROAD - Sales Trailer - Mr. Saviano presented a request from Kaufman & Broad (Windfield ) to move their Sales Trailer from its present location into the court of the Model Homes and landscape it as per the previously approved landscaping. Commissioner Gibbs made the following motion: I move we approve the request of Kaufman & Broad to move the Windfield Sales Trailer into the Court as requested with the agreement that the Landscaping shall be provided as previously approved. Commissioner Kirby seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken and the Motion Passed = 5 to No .- L. Berins . A discussed developed concerning the signs which K & B and Northwood have erected illegally and it was suggested that a letter be sent to the developers informing them of the neces- sity to remove all signs on poles . Secretary was so directed . . 6. ANNOUNCEMENTS Poppin Fresh - The appeal will be made on Monday, Oct . 2, 1978 and Ch. Hardt asked that the AC be represented to express the opinion of the Commission - Com. Paolillo agreed to go. Ch. Herdt questioned the fact that they can prove they are low on sales and cannot prove tow many new customers they would get from signage. Bananza is also not doing well financially. B.G .' Orchid award , etc . Appearance Commission Sept. 28 .1978 - Page 6. is another point to use as a good reason to deny the pylon sign. Ch. Harde asked Mr . Saviano to check and see if the Early Learning Center sign on the White Hen Pantry Sign is OK because it blocks the Poppin Fresh sign from the Eastbound traffic . From the West the tree which they have refused to . trim is the only thing blocking the sign. There is also a tree which blocks it from the cars traveling East. Com. Kirby suggested that the Board must insist that hardship be proved. OFF STREET PARKING Chairman Hardt also asked for a representative to attend the Committee meeting. Truste& Mendenall has formed a committee of nine people . A packet has been prepared by Jerry Zingsheim, a Buffalo Grove citizen opposed to parking RV' s on the driveways . Three people have prepared it to off-set a proposal to adopt a Wheeling o±dinance which allows anything to be parked in the driveways . Com. Gibbs has attended all but one of the meetings and will represent the AC . The question is not one of esthetics only but Health, Safety and Welfare . NORTHt1OODS - Signs andPennan_ts The sign will be reviewed at the next meeting - Oct . 12, 1978 . The Pennants can be allowed for 60 days . STRATHMORE SHOPPIi4G PLAZA Mr. Saviano reported that Mr. Johson has hired an architect to complete drawings of a mansard around the rear of the buildings . They will come in next meeting - Oct . 12, 1978 . 7. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 10445 P.M. by mutual consent . Respectfully submitted , Shirley Bat , Secretary, Appearance Commission September 28, 1978 sb • Li ) Appearance Commission Sept . 28, 1978 - Page 7 .