1979-11-29 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILL.
THURS. , NOV. 29, 1979
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting to order at 7:37 P.M.
2. ROLL CALL
Commissioners present: Dana Knaak, L. Paolillo, B. Gibbs,
M. Holland and D. Hardt
Commissioner Kirby absent. (Bldg. Dept. Rep. James Griffin)
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Regarding the reference on p. 6 of the Nov. 8, 1979 minutes,
of the possible necessity of 4 votes to determine passage of
motions, Mr. Griffin reported that since the AC is not an
official body, only a majority vote is necessary. Therefore,
the motion to DENY lights on the Hidden Lakes Construction
sign passed. They can appeal to the Village Board.
Motion to approve the Nov. 8, 1979 minutes with correction
was made by Com. Holland and seconded by Com. Gibbs. Roll Call:
Aye -Knaak, Gibbs, Holland
Abstain - Hardt
Nay - None (Com. Paolillo arrived late.)
4. BUSINESS
a) Jack Robbins - Plaza Verde
George Woock representing White Way Sign Co.
The Plaza Verde Shopping Center has a sign package, but
the sign requested differs in letter style and height.
Mr, Woock explained the size_ of' the copy and said it was
within the 30 inch letter line, but has a 4" border at the
bottom and a 1" border at the top. The two letters that
are over the specified 18" height are J and R which are 26";
colors red plastic internally lit letters on #450 anodic
returns. There is sufficient store frontage for the pro-
posed sign.
Ch. Hardt explained that Sign Packages supercede all other
criteria, letter type, style etc. with respect to signage.
Mr. Woock said the owner of the Center had agreed to the
change and should have been here as requested. The reason
for needing larger letters is due to the fact that the store
is located at the end of the row of businesses and for the
sake of visibility. Also the owner of the Jack Robbins
chain has the option to enlarge the facilities by March of 1981.
Mr. Troy the Jack Robbins representative stated that when the
store is enlarged it will be the 4th largest in the center,
and because of the large volume of business they will bring
in, felt they were entitled to more signage.
The Commissioners were agreeable to varying the letter style
but felt the height should meet the Sign Package.
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Com. Gibbs made the following motion: ••
I move we accept the variance for the style of
lettering for the sign for theJack Robbins store;
but do not make any exception to the height of
lettering as per the Sign Package for Plaza Verde.
Com. Knaak seconded the motion.
Ch. Hardt asked for discussion; ' or possible compromise.. Would
using a wider stroke, but staying the 18 inch height, be feasible?
Mr. Woock said they could reduce the two letters (J and R) to 21".
The Commissioners did not agree and Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye: Paolillo, Holland, Knaak
Gibbs and Hardt
Nay: None
Motion Passed. Ch. Hardt explained that they could meet the
height of the Sign Package,,Ar they could appeal to the Board.
b) Grand-6paulding Dodge - Temporary Sign (Lot For Sale)
No representatives.
c) Stonegate Apartment - Rental Sign
Larry Mc Carthy - General Manager presented the sign and the
site plan locating it near Lake Cook Road.
The Commissioners noted that Stonegate has at the present time
3 other signs that identify the Apartments, one of which has a
!RENTING" sign attached to the brick wall. If the sign is ap-
proved tonight there would be 4 signs within one block. If
Mr. Mc Carthy would agree to remove the "Now Renting" signs, -then
the new sign and the wall sign would be acceptable.
The sign proposed was a temporary type sign and would have to
be renewed every six months, but if Mr. Mc Carthy preferred to
design a permanent sign eliminating the phone no. and bedrooms,
it would be more attractive and would serve the purpose of
identifying the Apartments. This was fine with Mr. Mc Carthy.
Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move we table the proposal for Stonegate Apts.
and that at a future date, a permanent sign be
presented, for the same location at Lake-Cook Rd.
and Buffalo Grove Rd.
It is understood that erection of a permanent sign
would be in conjunction with the removal of the three
temporary signs located at the SE Corner of the
property;and the "Now Renting" from the entrance; and at
St. Mary's and Buffalo Grove Rd.
Com. Paolillo seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Paolillo, Knaak, Gibbs,
Holland and Hardt
Nay .- None
Motion to TABLE Passed. Ch. Hardt mentioned that directional a
sign could be placed within the property directing people to models .
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• d) Buffalo Grove Datsun - Temporary Sign during Construction
Mr. Bob Stavin presented the drawing of the proposed sign
which will be a double sign identifying the builder Trebor
Construction with the Datsun sign on top. The sign is ex-
pected to come down in May 1980.
The total of the combined sign was 80 .sq. ft. which exceeds
the 64 sq. ft. limit - 4'x 8' (Trebor) & 6 'x 8 ' (Datsun) .
Mr. Stavin agreed to reduce the Datsun to 4'x 8 ' which would
then be two 4' x 8' signs for a total of 64 sq. ft.
Com. Knaak made the following motion:
I move we accept the temporary construction:&.sign far BG
Datsun as depicted on the blueprints. Colors as Bhown;
with reduction in size of Datsun from 6' to 4' in ht. -
in proportion to what is shown.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Paolillo, Knaak, Holland,
Gibbs and Hardt.
Nay - None
Motion Passed. Sign is to be located as shown on site plan.
and erected with 4' x 4' posts.
e) Levitt Homes - Architectural review -
Villas of Buffalo Creek - 2 new Models with 3 elevations each.
Harry Sleek and Mr. Goldberg, representatives.
Before the presentation of the new models, the question of
the "repainted" sign was discussed and Mr. Sleek said he
would bring in copies of the new face for proper review.
Mr. Goldberg stated that because of the condition of the
sales market, Levitt is offering a raised ranch duplex
and a modified bi-level (with optional finishing) at a
lesser cost. He presented the 3 elevations of each building.
1. Raised Ranch - JB';O1 - No Brick, all aluminum siding;
aluminum gutters and down spouts ; B vents painted out;
side garage option; colors same as rest of models;
shutters are plastic; chimney same as siding;
blank elevations on corner lots will be landscaped;
black wrought iron railings; planters are wooden;
light fixtures the sgTne as other models (or com-
parable) ; garage doors all white with different trim;
no concrete stoop in the rear; exposed concrete under
patio doors; sodded lots (no front landscaping) ;
roof vents on the rear - painted out.
2. Raised Ranch - JB 02 - Brick front (4 types of brick) ;
other specifications the same as JB 01.
3. Raised Ranch - JB 03 - Tudor style , only version.
Could have two front garages, or one front and one side;
Staccato board with painted accent treatment and paint-
ed shutters; overhang at each door;
other specifications the same as JB 01.
Com. Paolillo made a motion to accept the architecture for
the Villas of Buffalo Creek, models JB 01, JB 02 & JB 03 -
with the following stipulations:
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(Levitt stipulations)
a - vents on front eleyation to be painted out to •
match the siding;
b - light fixtures be the same as were approved for
the other models, if available OR of similar design
and gwJ.ity;
c - construction materials similar to that approved for
the other models ; if brick is not available then it
must be of comparable quality and appearance;
d - light fixtures as required by Code on rear elevation;
e - corner elevations are to have landscape treatment as
approved for the other models ;
f - railings to be painted black.
Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Holland, Gibbs, Knaak, Paolillo and Hardt
Nay - None
Motion Passed.
BI-LEVEL - unfinished lower level with option to be finished.
JN 01 - 3 different exteriors, 2 bedroom model,
different window treatment, side car option.
JN 02 *- brick vaneer fronts, same garage roof as 01.
JN 03 - garage doors have overhang.
3rd bedroom and bath on upper level over
kitchen area. dormers are wood.
bracket over door to be raised to 6' minimum.
Cpon tructio materials thesame a JB Models.
Muttons to Abe on side windows; Optional fireplaces:
Com. Knaak asked for muttons to be included on all windows;
but after discussion it was generally agreed that since this
was not required on the other models, this was not to be made
a stipulation; but the developer agreed to offer as an option.
Com. Paolillo made the following motion:
I move we accept the architecture for the Villas of
Buffalo Creek, models JN 01, JN 02 and JN 03 - with
the following stipulations.
a - roof vents to be painted out;
b - light fixtures and all exterior construction
materials will be similar to those approved
for the rest of the models; but if the same
materials are not available - materials of like
quality will be acceptable.
c - JN 03 overhang shall be a minimum of 6 ft. from
ground level (bracket)
d - muttons to be on side windows on corners
e - muttons on the rear to be optional to buyer.
Com. Holland seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Gibbs, Paolillo, Holland and Hardt
Nay - Knaak (because of his feelings about muttons)
Motion passed. Note: the sign will be presented later.
5. ANNOUNCEMENTS
a - The Applegate sign on the K & B billboard on Arlington Hts. Rd.
should be removed. Mr. Griffin said Applegate told him they
had permission to put it up. He will check further.
b - Mr. Griffin presented a re-inspection form for signs - OK
6. ADJOURNMENT - Motion to adjourn was made at 9:45 P.M. by
Com. Holland and seconded by Com. Knaak. Unan. Aye
Respectfully submitted, APPEAR.�NCE COi�1MISSION
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