1979-09-13 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL.
TxHURS. , Pl. 13;1979
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1. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting together at 7:35 P.M.
at the Village Hall, Thursday, Sept. 13, 1979
2. ROLL CALL
All Commissioners were present: Kirby, Knaak, Paolillo,
Gibbs, Holland, Weiss
and Ch. Hardt.
Bldg. Dept. was represented by: James Griffin
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Com. Knaak moved the minutes of Aug. 23, 1979 be accepted
as presented. Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Voice vote
taken: Aye - Knaak, Paolillo, Gibbs, Holland Weiss, Hardt.
Abstain - Kirby
4. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ch. Hardt reported that the Business District Development
Committee has been meeting all week. The whole draft that
was reviewed at the AC Workshop meeting is to be transferred
to the Planning Commission. The AC comments are to be sub-
mitted to the Planning Commission for their meeting of
Oct. 3rd. Ch. Hardt will meet with someone to get clarifi-
cation of the definitions and prepare the draft.
Ch. Hardt has resigned from the Business District Develop- .
ment Committee because it meets on Tuesday nights and he has
other commitments on that night. He was asked to recommend
someone from the AC and feels it would be good to have the
AC represented. The Commissioners were asked to think it
over.
Ch. Hardt noted that that draft that has been prepared by
the Town Center Committee has many contradictions to the new
Sign Code as well as other contradictions within the text
itself, so it is an important task to be undertaken.
5. BUSINESS
a) Temporary Sign - Grove Manor; Bernard Katz and Co.
Jerry Weiss presented and described the proposed sign.
It is 117-118 sq.ft . - unlit - pole to be set in concrete
and will be erected in approximately the center of the
property.
The words -"Coming Soon" is an embellishment because it
is not contained in the body of the sign. Mr. Weiss agreed
to eliminate the phrase from the sign. He also agreed to.
eliminate the back support post, and sink the posts in a
little deeper.
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It was noted that if the phone number is ever changed,
the new number should be painted on, not to use a board.
Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move we accept the_:Grove Terrace Condominiums
construction sign with these stipulations:
a) The appendage - COMING SOON- be removed;
b) The sign be free-standing, without back
braces;
c) In order for the sign to have sufficient
stability, the posts be set in concrete to
a sufficient depth to achieve this: (48");
d) If it becomes necessary to change the
Telephone Number, the sign is to be
repainted rather than using a board affixed
to the sign;
e) The sign is approved for a 1 year period,
with renewal upon request, if it is in good
condition. One month notice as per Code.
f) Location as per drawing numbered A 1.
Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye —Kirby, Knaak, Paolillo, Gibbs,
Holland, Weiss and Hardt.
No - None.
Motion Passed Unanimously.
b) Lieberman - Oak Creek Condos - Sign
No representative was present.
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c) Northwest Ambulatory Signs and Architecture
Mr. Hundreiser , presented the signs. and described them.
The colors are dard brown with white lettering. There
will be 2 entrance signs - double-faced,perpendicular to
the driveways. Locations - S 1; on the site plan.
It was determined that. the parcel has sufficient frontage
to allow for two signs at present and in the future may
submit additional signa.ge" for the Weiland Rd. entrance.
If the electrical disconnect is showing, it is to be
painted out; and the signs will meet the Code requirements.
The base will be flush to the ground and will be landscaped,
as per Section 5.1 h; page 28 of the Sign Code.
Com. Kirby made the following motion:
I move we accept the two identification signs for
the Northwest Community Ambulatory Center- SD - 1
as presented with the following stipulations:
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a) Double-faced signs placed perpendicular
to the road at the entrances, noted as SD-1;
b) Per the Sign Code - pfitzers,. or- other low
growing shrubbery, to be !placed at the base
of the posts.
c) The electrical disconnects to be painted
out to match the frame ( if exposed) ;
These two signs as presented tonight are being
reviewed by the Appearance Commission, taking into
consideration the entire development as shown on
the Plan SC 1. Based on the front footage of this
parcel, it is the feeling of the Commission that
they could be entitled to additional,_signage,. accord-
ing to the Village Sign Code.
Com. Holland seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Unanimously: Knaak, Paolillo, Gibbs,
Kirby, Holland, Weiss
and Hardt.
Interior Signae
The signs were reviewed as follows:
S - 2: At the base of the Staff Parking Lot
Directional arrow to indicate Visitor P. . .
S - 3: Double faced, turned 90 degrees so that •
there is better visibility. (Arrow?)
S - 4: Emergency Entrance
Com. Knaak made the following motion:
I move we accept the three small signs
indicating Employee/Visitor Parking on one sign;
visitor Parking on the second; and Emergency
Entrance on the third; at the locations as
indicated on site plan SD -1.
The Visitor Parking sign be turned 90 degrees
to be perpendicular to the parking spaces. S-3
will be double faced; S - 2 and 4 will be single.
Com. Paolillo seconded the motion. Roll uall Vote:
Aye - unanimously: Knaak, Paolillo, Gibbs,
irby, Holland, Weiss,
• and Hardt.
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ARCHITECTURE
The developer presented a color rendition of the facility and
gave a general description. The view is from the South showing
the back of the building showing the Emergency Entrance. The
• North, East :and West sides are about the same. It has bronze
aluminum and bronze glass; the brick is reddish orange. -The
lower canopy has bronze metal: facia 4',-the higher canopy has
a lighter shade of bricks- 8 x 8; and the height is 6' .
Windows are bronze aluminum. APPEARANCE) OMNISSII0NN Three
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Ch. Hardt had two questions : screening of roof top
fixtures and under canopy lighting.
Mr. Hundreiser described the lighting first. Since
the hospital is open 24 hours a day, there will be
some lighting under the lower canopy that is intensi-
fied at the entrance; and perhaps some dim recessed
fixtures on the high part just for dramatic effect.
The roof top units on the lower portion will be con-
cealed by the high parapet wall. If there are any
exposed units on the higher part they will be screen-
ed by usirig Childers ' metal screen. This will be bronze,
matched to the facia.
Ch. Hardt asked that anything visible from the street or
surrounding property lines be painted, or preferably
screened as indicated. Mr. Hundreiser agreed.
No visible refuse containers are to be used. Only inter-
ior disposal, and mostly linens, etc. are anticipated.
Com. Paolillo asked if the roof-top screening was going
to have access panels so that the Fire Dept. could get
through? "Yes - also for maintenance ' purposes. "
Interior downspouts which drain into the detention basin
on the South, and out to #83 from there.
• Com. Kirby made the following motion:
I move we accept the Architecture for the Northwest
Ambulatory Center as presented with the following
stipulations :
a) any under canopy lighting is to have
recessed cans; soft effect lights
b) any equipment showing on the high roof
line will be screened with. Childers ' (or
equal quality) equipment, with access
panels for fire and maintenance purposes,
to be of aluminum to match the building;
c) all other equipment on the roof be at the
center line of the building, out of sight
from the street or adjacent property.
Com. Holland seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Unanimously : Knaak1, Paolillo, Gibbs,
Kirby, Holland, Weiss and Hardt.
Nay- None
d) Stan's Standard Service - #83 and Buffalo Grove Road.
Stan Ozimek came in at the request of Jim Griffin and
presented a photograph of the Do-It-Yourself Vacuum sign.
He said he erected it because customers thought they were
station equipment. It is two faced, supported by iron
posts. .
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Chairman Hardt ruled that it is a ground sign and
therefore would need a ZBA variation before the AC
could look at it for approval. The ZBA requires proven
hardship to grant such a variation. Distance is in
violation of the sign code requirement of 500 ft.
Mr. Ozimek was reminded that he should know the Village
procedures which require review of the AC before putting
up any signs.
6. OLD BUSINESS
Ranch Mart Pharmacy (Mark Drugs) Alan Sear, owner.
Mr. Sear presented a color rendition of the proposed face
changes to the three ovals now existing. He explained the
words Ranch Mart are in Script because of the way it is on
the large pylon sign on Dundee Road.
# long discussion took place regarding the status of the
Mark Family Drugs sign on the large pylon. Mr. Sear told the
Commission he was required to pay for part of that pylon, but
was told that the word Mark could not be changed to Mart be-
cause of the type of construction of the panel . He informed
the AC that he had insisted that the paragraph concerning the
sign stricken from the lease.
Com. Kirby contended that the owner of Ranch Mart was responsi-
ble for the pylon sign, not Mr. Sear.
With regard to Abandoned Sign - P. 45 - Sect. 9.2 (a) of the
Sign Code was discussed because the sign has been up for more
than 90 days after purchase of the store.
Mr. Holland noted that the situation is similar to. having a
National Sign left up after a Dominick ' s has been opened in
the same location (Buffalo Grove Mall example) .
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Ch. Hardt agreed and said that in other situations, all signage
was reviewed and changed accordingly.
Con. Kirby referred to p. .21 of the Sign Code and suggested that
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the question be referred to the Village Attorney for interpre-
tation.
There was general agreement to this and Ch. Hardt directed
Mr. Griffin to check with Mr. Raysa with regard to the Ranch
Mart Pylon sign which incorporates the name Mark Family Drugs;
and determine if after 3 months time , it is an abandonded sign.?
Since Mark Drugs no longer owns or occupies the premises, and
since the owner of the Shopping Center does not want to change
it, what is the legal status of the sign? The Commission is
split in its feelings that the sign can be approached from a
legal standpoint, and if it has any jurisdiction?
Mr. Sear will be notified by Mr. Griffin of Mro Raysa' s decision.
The Commission then reviewed the proposed sign changes, pending
the interpretation by the Buffalo 'rove Legal Dept.
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Com. Kirby stated that since the name is now Ranch Mart Pharmacy,
not Mark Drugs, that the words. Drugs and Liquors are advertising
and not an identification sign as required by the Sign Code.
Mr. Sear said his business license reads Buffalo Grove Drug, Co.
Inc . and that the two departments Drugs and Liquors each make up
about 40% of the sales volume and all other products the other
20%.
It was noted by the AC that Mark Drugs did not advertise liquor
and the business volume was the same for years. Also noted was
that other signs` in the Village that advertise liquor are not
legal signs but were erected before the sign code went into-effect.
Ch. Hardt explained that the name of a business must conform with
the signage. Mr. Sear said he would like to leave the sign as
submitted until the legal opinion is determined, so that all the
various questions can be reviewed.
Com. Holland asked if he would prefer to have the matter tabled?
This was agreeable to Mr. Sear. He may prefer to keep MarkDrug.
The .question of total square footage allowed was mentioned and
how much frontage the store has determines the amount of space hat
can be used for identification signage.
Also, it was noted that when Ranch Mart agreed to a sign pack-
age for the center, the three stores, Mark Drugs, Irving Federal
and Jewel were specifically left out.
Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move we table the :consideration of the Ranch
Mart Pharmacy wall sign subject to the Village' s
Legal Counsel review of thePylon sign designated
as Mark Family Drugs, which presently fronts on
Dundee Road at the Ranch Mart Shopping Center.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion.
Com. Holland added this to the motion:
per the Legal review of that sign: whether it is
in fact, abandoned in accordance with the Sign
Code, Section: 9.2 - Page 45
Roll Call vote was taken:
Aye - Weiss, Holland, Gibbs, Paolillo, Kirby,
Knaak and Hardt
Nay - ,None
Mr. Griffin will notify Mr. Sear of the decision and the sign
can be revieed at the next meeting, Sept. 27, 1979 if the
interpretation so indicates.
7. WORKSHOP
Greg Boysen, New Public Works Commissioner was present to
inquire about the Village Sign Package that was submitted on
Sept. 14, 1978. . .what was approved?
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Ch. Hardt recalled that the problem was that no pictures were
submitted.
A drawing was presented and Mr. Boysen explained the two types
of signs:
Wells - Single Face with Village Insignia
Village Hall and Public Service Center -
' Two Panels with Village Insignia
These signs were approved by the Commission.
The Golf Course Sign was removed from the roof and the one
submitted was to be a Double Panel with the words:
Pro Shop
Cocktails
Restaurant
on the lower panel; 18 Hole Golf Course on top.
Ch. Hardt recalled that Bill Davis had originally wanted to.
use components of the original sign but since this was irrele-
vant the sign was discussed as presented.
Com. Knaak objected to the advertising aspect of the three
words on the -lower part. The Ordinance forbids advertising.
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Com. Kirby felt that Pro Shop and Restaurant were all right
because they were not items to be sold, but Cocktails did
refer to a product. (The Pro Shop is owned by the Village. )
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It will be placed parallel to Lake Cook Road.as previously
approved. Also it is a single faced sign.
Mr. Boysen agreed to delete Cocktails.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion;
I move we approve the Golf Course sign as
presented with Pro Shop and Restaurant on the
lower panel, and deleting the word Cocktails.
• Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote taken:
Aye Weiss, Hol_Land, Gibbs, Paolillo,
Kirby, Knaak and Hardt.
Nay - None
Sins Observed to be reviewed by *Mr. Griffin:
Lieberman's - Did not come in and has a sign that could be on
Village property. Mr. Griffin will follow up.
Shell - Location correct?
Mr. Griffin presented a Steeple View sign - Must come in.
Levitt is changing sign and will come in.
8. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Knaak made a motion to adjourn at 9:45 P.M. Com. Gibbs
seconded the motion. Meeting was adjourned by unanimous consbnt.
Respectfully submitted
sb Shirley B tes, Secretary- 4PnPEARANCE� CO��M.