1979-06-14 - Appearance Commission - Minutes � F
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE IL.
THURS. , JUNE 14, 1979
1. CALL TO ORDER
The Appearance Commission meeting of Thurs. , June 14, 1979
was called to order at 7:35 P.M. at the Village Hall by
Commissioner Gibbs.
2. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: Holland, Paolillo, Knaak, Gibbs
and Chairman Hardt (Arrived 7:40 P.M. )
Also Present: Prospective Commissioner Ilene Strauss and
Dominic J. Saviano, Building Department and
Trustee Bobbie O'Reilly
Not Present: Commissioner Kirby and Prospective Commis-
sioner Gene Weiss (Business Commitment)
QUORUM PRESENT
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The approval of minutes was deferred because not all the
• Commissioners who were at the meetings of May 10 and May 24
were present this night. These will be reviewed June 28th.
4. BUSINESS
a) Steeple View - Information Center Signs
Clyde Carlig, Associated with A. T. Henderson Co. presented
drawings of four (4) signs which they desire to erect to
identify their Information Center for Steeple View. The site
location was also presented. Mr. Carlig gave Commission a
general description of each sign and its location. These are
intended to be temporary signs.
Sign C - a 1 ' x 16' directional sign pointing to the
house being used for Sales. This would be
attached to the existing sign structure just
underneath it.
Sign A •-. a 4' x 8' double faced sign to be located at
the corner of Rt. 83 and Lake-Cook Rd. This
property is owned by the developer, but is
not a part of the subject property. It will
direct traffic toward the Sales Office. It
would confirm to the setback requirements.
Sigh B a 3 ' x 3' sign - to be placed on Wieland Rd.
so that it could be seen from Aptikisic and
directing traffic to the Sales Office
Sign D - a 4' x 12' sign at the Infomation "Center
itself.
The signs will all be the same color as the existing sign,
a Light Beige with Brown. Posts are metal.
It was noted at this time that these signs are being seen
by the Commissioners for the first time and that it is
difficult - o recall existing signs, locations, etc. For
this reason the Commissioners prefer to: have copies of the
information sent several days in advance so that they can
properly research and review the requests.
Ch. Hardt explained the requirements of the Sign Code with
reference to advertising signs; p. 50 - must be on subject
property - Sign A does not meet this requirement.
Com. Knaak noted p. 33 - Maximum height of directional
signs is 4 feet - Sign A is 4'' high so would have to be
placed on the ground.
The existing sign is the maximum size for a temporary
sign - 8' x 16' = 128' . p. 33 - Incidental signs may not
exceed a total of 10 sq. feet. Mr. Carlig said that the
Directional Sign C could be lettered at the bottom of the
existing sign. Removing the sign and taking it back to
the shop would be a problem, could a sign painted on a
masonite surface and attached? He would remove if the AC
does not approve. Extensive advertising is being run in
the local papers in about a week and the signs are import-
ant for locating the project.
Because the Commissioners were in agreement that they have
not had sufficient time to research this package properly,
Com. Holland suggested approving a portion tonight and
tabling the remainder until the next meeting. He made the
following motions:-
1) I move we table Signs denoted as A and C until the
next meeting - June 28, 1979.
Seconded by Com. Knaak. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion to Table passed unanimously.
2) I move we accept the Steeple View Information
Center Sign B. Such sign to be at the entry .way
to the project on Weiland Road.
Seconded by Ch.. Hardt. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion Passed - Unanimously.
3) I move that Sign D be approved with the lettering
of Information Center to be placed at the bottom of
the existing 8' x 16' sign at the corner of Weiland
and Lake-Cook Road. The lettering of Information
Center and the Arrow is not to exceed 1' in height
per letter and that the lettering be at least 1, ft.
separated from any verbage or lettering above on .the
existing sign. Such lettering to conform with the
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Letters and background colors to be in complete conformance
with the lettering on the existing sign.
Seconded by Chairman Hardt. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion Denied as follows: Nay - Paolillo
Knaak
Hardt
Gibbs
Ayg - Holland
The Commissioners were opposed to the motion because they did
not know what the sign would look like with the additional
lettering.
Chairman Hardt took over the meeting.
b) Buffalo Grove Dodge - Sign Face Change
Charles Sheehan - Sheehan Sign Co, Chicago presented the
request to change the `Sign that was formerly Grand-Spaulding
Dodge (changed hands in Nov. 1978) . The sign now in front
is an illegal sign. Ch. Hardt noted that it was up to the
Building Department to issue a fine, but that this was out
of the scope of the AC. The sign submitted is to reviewed
as a new sign.
Construction of the sign will be the same as before. Colors-
White letters on a Red background. The plastic panels are
various lengths, but the space at each' end will be exactly
the same. The panels will be installed so that no light will
show through between them (as on the existing sign) . Each
section is approximately 2 ft. long and about 18" high.
The sign is set on steel posts in concrete. There is also a
Pylon Sign that says Dodge on the property.
Com. Gibbs made a motion to accept the sign face change-Buffalo
Grove Dodge as presented. Seconded by Com. Knaak.
Roll Call Vote was taken. Motion Passed Unanimously.
c) Buffalo House - Front Elevation
Philip Kupritz, represented Bill ' s Buffalo House and described
the proposed change of the doorway. Clear glass windows have
been added. Also a different doorway with glass and a metal
frame will replace the existing door. The stairs which are
now outside will be inside with a second door. Another pro-
blem that will be eliminated is the illegal headr. om height
of the doorway. Door frame is dark brown.
The use of al-c.minum was discussed, since it is not in keeping
with the wooden architectural style of the building. Mr. Ku-
pritz said this had been considered and an alternate plan ,
discussed, but it was decided that the doorway would be too
prominent. They decided to use the glass window effect to
keep it as transparent as possible. Glass is clear.
It was noted that the interior chalkboard is not necessarily
approved by the AC but being inside it is acceptable.
Mr. Kupritz said they decided to include it in the drawing
so that their intentions would be made known from the begin-
ning. The neon signs will also be reinstalled.
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Com. Knaak moved that the Front Elevation Change for
Bill 's Buffalo House be accepted as presented.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion Passed as follows ; Aye - Knaak, Gibbs, Holland and
Hardt.
Abstain - Paolillo (Did not have
drawing previously.
d) Early Learning; Center
Review of Pylon Sign which will need a ZBA Variance before
it can be approved by the Appearance Commission.
Arvid Olson - Owner of ELC
George Woock - White Way Signs
Mr. Woock apologized for not having copies of the sign
available to the Commissioners prior to the meeting.
Ch. Hardt explained that the Prudential Shopping Center
falls short of the necessary 800 ft. frontage required for
two Pylon signs. Therefore the request must have a ZBA
variance and also a written letter of permission from
Mr. Conrardy to place such a sign on Rt. 83.
Id1r. Olson presented a signed contract from Mr. Conrardy
agreeing to the Early Learning Center sign.
Mr. Saviano mentioned that Uptown Federal is going on the
corner and has already indicated they would want a sign.
They have also been informed that a variance will be needed.
Ch. Hardt asked for the sign to be presented for consider-
ation but no action can be taken until the variance is
granted by the ZBA. He suggested they bring as much infor-
mation as possible to the ZBA meeting.
Mr. Woock presented the sign and the proposed location on
a site plan. It reads Rainbow Path - Early Learning Center.
The background is opaque white - unbreakable plastic. Only
the letters will be illuminated at night. It will be loca-
ted at the entrance on Rt. 83. Since the sign will be next
to residential they took this into consideration and the
people should not be able to see the sign from the ground -
perhaps from the second story it could be seen. It will be
erected on the existing island and will be planted at the
base. This will be determined at a later time.
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The suggestions the Commissioners made were as follows:
1 - White brick planter does not blend in with the
rest of the center - Mr. Olson agreed to use a
darker brick which would look better.
2 - The white posts were also in conflict with the rest
of the center and the frame also. Mr. Olson said
he would not object to a dark frame with white insert.
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Colors of the lettering - Red - 032U; White 307 U.
3. Phone number not preferred. Also questioned the child.
4. Possibly an arrow indicating location of ELC.
These suggestions were noted and Ch. Hardt informed the
gentlemen that should the AC not approve any portion of themi-in�r
sign when it is presented after the ZBA Variations .rc •ranted,
the Village Board has the final decision. A revised drawing
will be required at the next Appearance meeting.
5. WORKSHOP
Chairman Hardt asked for a volunteer to represent the AC at
the Business District Development Commission. They meet about
once a month and Mr. Hardt is a member but his time has not
• allowed him to attend the meetings. Only an appointed member
can vote. Anyone interested can let Mr. Hardt know before
June 7, 1979.
Ch. Hardt noted with reference to- the decision to deny the
Kemmerly Sign last month that logos are allowed with the
approval of the AC. The question that should be asked is
"Does the Logo 'hurt ' ?" Some are acceptable and it is to be
remembered that the Village Board does have final approval.
Tony of Italy dame before the Village Board and Ch. Hardt was
there. Not enough notice was given for other members cf the AC
to come. The vote was a 3 to 3 split and Pres. Clayton voted
with the AC to deny the removal of the tree. A letter will be
sent to James Kaplan recommending that Prudential Realty make
a decision regarding placement of the Tony of Italy sign. If
on the mansard, the tree could be replaced with something lower.
If a window sign is allowed, then the tree should remain.
It was noted that when Mr...Grate was in before the AC, he agreed
to put up BG on the Cleaners., and install cut off switches. The
switches were fixed but the letters have not been added. A per-
mit has been taken out according to Mr. Saviano.
Appointment of a new Commissioner. Unfortunately the resumes
of Mrs. Strauss and Mr. Weiss have been misplaced. Also, a
business appointment prevented Mr. Weiss from attending this
meeting. After some discussion it was decided to have a meet-
ing next Monday, June 18, 1979 at 7 P.M. in the Conference Room.
Mrs. Strauss answered some preliminary questions concerning her
background and her reason for becoming e member. She has an
interest in the Community affairs and has the time to devote to
the job. Her education has been in Fine Arts. Her husband is
in favor of her taking this responsibility. She is familiar
with codes and ordinances. She would not feel offended if she
was voted down on any issue. She was active in the League of
Women Voters when she was a resident of Morton Grove.
When asked what problems she saw with the Appearance Commission
she suggested that from the four meetings she has attended that
the one thing she has noticed is absentism.
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Mr. Weiss will be contacted and informed of the time and place
of the meeting. He can then answer any questions the Commission-
ers might have.
Ch. Hardt wants the decision to be made in time for the next
Board Meeting, June 23, 1979
The rest of the time was spent in an informal session.
6. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Gibbs made a motion to adjourn . Com. Holland seconded it.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:17 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Shirley B s, Secretary
Appearance Commission
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VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
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Recommendation Summary
L. Gibbs, Acting Chairman
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Project Title : Steeple View Date : June 14, 1979
Developer: A. T. Henderson & Co.
Three separate motions. •
Moved by: Commissioner Holland Seconded by: Com. Knaak and
Com. Hardt.
1 - I move we table the Signs designated A and C until the
next regular meeting - June 28, 1979
Seconded by Com. Knaak. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion to Table passed unanimously. .
2. I move we accept the Steeple View Information Center -
designated Sign B. Such sign to be at the entry way
on Weiland Road.
Seconded by Ch. Hardt. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Motion Passed unanimously. •
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3. I move that Sign D be approved with the lettering of
Information Center to be placed at the bottom of the
existing 8 ft. x 16 ft. sign at the corner of Weiland
and Lake-Cook Roads. The lettering cf Information Center
and the Arrow is not to exceed 1 ft. in height per letter
and that the lettering be at least 1 ft. separated from any
verbage or lettering above on the existing sign. Such
lettering to conform with the lettering on the existing
sign. Letters and background colors to be in complete
conformance with the lettering on the existing sign.
Seconded by Chairman Hardt. Roll Call vote was taken.
The Motion was Denied as follows : Nay--Paolillo, Knaak
Hardt and Gibbs
Aye--Holland
The Commissioners were opposed to the motion because
they did not know what the sign would look like with the
additional lettering.
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VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
Recommendation Summary
Don Hardt, Chairman •
Project Title : Buffalo Grove Dodge Date : June 14, 1979
Developer: Sign - Sheehan Sign Co. for Buffalo Grove Dodge
Moved by: Com. Gibbs Seconded by: Com. Knaak
I move we accept the sign face change for •
Buffalo Grove Dodge as presented.
Roll Call Vote was taken. Motion Passed Unanimously.
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VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
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Recommendation Summary
Don Hardt, Chairman •
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Project Title : Bill ' s Buffalo House . .... Date: June 14, 1979
Developer: Philip Kupritz - architect
Moved by: Corn. Knaak Seconded by: Corn. Gibbs
I move we accepted the front elevation change for
Bill 's Buffalo House as presented.
Roll Call- Vote was taken. Motion Passed as follows:
Aye. - Knaak, Gibbs,
Holland, and
• Hardt
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No - Paolillo (did not
have
drawing)