1979-03-08 - Appearance Commission - Minutes ID. 5
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVEiIL.
Thurs.i Mar. 8, 1979
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting of March 8, 1979 to .
order at 7 :37 P.M. at the Village Hall , Buffalo Grove, Illinois.
2. ROLL CALL
Six commissioners were present: Knaak, Berins, Kirby, Gibbs,
Holland and Hardt.
One commissioner, Paolillo was absent. (He was out cf town- )
QUORUM PRESENT . ,Also present - Dominic Saviano, Bldg. Dept.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Because of absentism of Commissioners from time to time,
minutes from several previous meetings are to be approved.
Jan. 11, 1979 No additions or corrections. Approved by
voice vote. oem. Kirby abstained .
Jan. 25, 1979 - _.No additions or corrections. Approved by
voice vote. (Note - P. 2,#5 s/b74 IIAIR DESIGN)
Feb. _8, 1979 - Corrections: Roll Call - Strike Paolillo -,she
second .time - Add Berins --absent.
Stan' s Standard Car Wash sign is
not to be a reader board that can :
be changed. A price must appear
at all times and the lower portion
is to identify the price of gas
with the car wash only.
p. 3 - Line 3 s/b 26-3 inch cal .
p. - 3 - c) Home Fed. s/b Plaza Verde •
p.; 3 - Motion - a) Add - Letters
are to be opague with light
radiating behind the letters,
NOT through the letters.
p. : 5 - Clarify i . There will be
wooden kickboards under the
patio `windows.
Strike word not before
compatible.
Com. Gibbs moved to accept with corrections.
Com. ' Knaak seconded. Approved unanimously.
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Feb. 22, 1979 - Corrections - P. 4 - Combine items b) and c) -
both have reference to the
elevator tower.
P. 5 - Under Landscaping: clarify.
New plans were requested
with reference to the first
floor patio areas due to the
higher elevation of the garage
floor slab.
P. 6 - Last paragraph, ref. Colonial -
1 x 12 strip is a Kickboard.
P. 7 - Motion: s/b 'excludin}; 3rd
model until it is e_resented,
strike approved.
f) s/b Chimney to be masonry.
(Not fireplace)
Motion to approve by Corn. Kirby. Seconded by.
Com. Berins. Approved unanimously.
4. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Chairman Hardt distributed several letters that were written
as directed at the Workshop last week. No. 1. - problems with
Green Knolls and Commons ; No. 2 - Appeal of ZBA decision
for Tony of Italy Hair Design; No . 3 - Proposed R.V. Ordi-
nance.
Ch. Hard.t asked that one or two members of the Commission
write letters as homeowners and resident of B.G with regard
to the Tony of Italy sign. Com. Knaak and Com. Kirby were
suggested as representatives when the matter goes to the
Village Board.
Regarding the R.V. Ordinance - A committee will be formed
that will have 3 weeks to present a format for consider-
ation. This format will be based on the limitation of
frontand side yard set backs, with no size limit. The AC
opposes this recommendation.
Com. Knaak attended part of the Board meeting 2/19/79 but
had nothing to report.
4. BUSINESS
lifiart-AssooiatiOf, Ed Piaran of American . and In. ills.
Chairman Hardt briefed the Commission on the facts that
Mr. Larson had petitioned the ZBA for a variance to erect
the Pylon Sign requested on Dundee Road based on hardship.
The ZBA granted the variance and a permit was issued by
` �j the Building Dept . According to theSign Code the only two
sat can authorize issuance of a sign permit are the
cj� Appearance Com.and the Board of Trustees. M
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Chairman Hardt asked Mr. Larson if any consideration would
be given to erecting the sign on Buffalo Grove Road?
Mr. Larson answered, "No, because B.G. Road is a secondary
road in relation to Dundee Road."
Chairman Hardt asked if he would stipulate that no other
Pylon signs would be erected between existing Mobil Oil sign
and the sign for which the permit was issued?
Mr. Larson answered, "No , because the ZBA issued a variance
for his sign and did not encumber the
permit with any stipulations. " .
- Chairman Hardt said, "Let the minutes show that the Appear-
Commission is opposed to the erection of any other pylon signs
from s point at the location where the questioned sign was
granted a variance eastward to the. Mobil Oil sign, because it
would conflict with the existing Sign Code and would cause a
proliferation of signage in that area."
.4141 'ate a ked fob.: 8,,r; �o a At ,o ?
7 to ; �. i pie submitted:, beca�. se the AC -did not approve-it,
- Mr. Larson said that such a recommendation would put an
encumbrance upon the property rights of other merchants.
The sign met all the requirments of the Code with the ex-
ception of distance. The AC did in essence agree that it
is a good-looking sign. He said a :-Catch 22 situation could
be created and repeated deniel could result in being shifted
from one commission to the other. —4041110
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- Chairman Hardt said he understood that since a permit has
been issued the sign can be erected, but that he wanted it
made clear that the AC was opposed to the sign when it was
submitted before. d , pinion o n3-y- -at
He agreed that a sign should appear only once before a Board.
But he added that it should never come to the AC if it has to
go to the ZBA. This is to be determined by the Administrator.
- Mr. Larson requested that a meeting be held with himself to
be hcluded to iron out some of the "Bug-a-boos" that can be
expected in such a new code . Returning back and forth is too
time consuming and costly to expect merchants to yield to .
- Mr. Hardt expressed a possiblity that the Village Board,. or
the A. C. should reverse the roles. First have the AC hear
a request, then it goes to theZBA for a variance. Then based
upon their decision, adtion would be taken.
The procedures based on the Sign Code, Page 52 were reviewed.
It was generally agreed that some minor ajustments would be
made to the Sign Code and Mr. Larson would be invited to the
committee meeting. A motion was requested again. A straw
poll was taken to determine the opinions of the Commissioners.
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March 8, 19V9 - Page Three
. Commissioner Kirby made a motion to accept the Ranch
Mart Pylon sign as submitted with respect to the loca-
tion and the type of sign.
Commissioner Gibbs seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote was as follows : Aye - Berins and Kirby
Opposed - Holland
Knaak
Hardt
Abstain - Gibbs •
Chairman Hardt noted that according to Robert ' s Rules,
the abstention is counted with the majority, therefore
the Motion was Opposed 4 to 2.
Mr. Larson repeated his request; for a meeting and he was
informed that such a meeting would be an open meeting :a.nd
that his imput would be heard with respect.
b) Cambridge-On.-The-Lake - Signs. Ralph L. Swanson, PickuE. Const.
Com. Knaak asked about the other existing signs for the
InformationCenter, directional signs. Mr. Swanson said two
signs are on private property and cannot be seen from Dundee
Rd. One other, BordoBidg. , can be seen and Ch. Hardt said
it should come before the AC. It will be submitted.
A site plan was submitted. The signs requested will be
Single-faced, placed diagonally facing East and West at
position designated on site plan, placed above the fence,
supported by 4"x I ' wood posts painted black, placed a ;
least 100 ft. away from residential. A 1 year time limit
with extension permissible upon 30 day written application
provided the signs are in good condition. Sign will be
enameled on top of plywood. • Height will be approximately
14 ft.
The copy on the sign was reviewed. Corn. Knaak raised a
question about the wording, Luxury Condominiums
Fireplace
Private Lake
Swimming Pool
Ch. Hardt noted that advertising is allowed on temporaay
sales signs, Page 50 and interpretation was discussed.
Identification is allowed, but advertising is not allowed.
The Commission and Mr. • Swanson agreed to deletion to the
three descriptive phrases, leaving Luxury Condominiums.
Ch. Hardt said much advertising can be gone through other
media. He suggested enlarging the lettering and said that
should any Dart of the sign be changed at a later date a
new copy should be submitted to Dominic. No ' lights.
A straw poll was taken to determine if Th.e words Luxury Con-
dominiums are acceptable. The vote was as follows:
Yes - if opposed to Luxury - Knaak
No , not opposed - Holland, Berins, Kirby
Gibbs and Hardt.
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Com. Knaak made the following motion:
I move we accept the - Cambridge On The Lake-- signs ;
colors and size as dipicted with the stipulations that:
1) The words, Fireplace, Private Lake and
Swimming Pool be removed.
2) Permitting Cambridge on the Lake , and
Luxury Condominiums be enlarged in size.
3) If the hours or telephone number are
changed, they will be re-painted on the
sign. (Submitted. to Dominic)
4) Sign not to be located within 100 ft of.
residential area.
Back supports of tie sign be fainted black.
6) - vised drawing be submitted to the Village
Bldg. Dept. indicating height, site location
and thenanner of construction of the sign,ie.
size of posts, ro back supports on the sign.
7) Sign not to be illuminated.
8) Application be made for the existing sign
facing Dundee Read, saying Bordo Information
Center (Sign does not have to be reviewed)
9) Letters not to exceed 24" in height or less
than 10?' with regard to Stip. #2 above.
Com. Kirby seconded the motion. Uom. Gibbs suggested that
the area code be added to the sign if Mr. Swanson so desires.
Ch. Hardt asked Dominic to specifically note bldg. specs.
Roll Call Vote as follows : Aye unanimously.
c) Green Knolls and Pulte Street Tree Planting. John Serko
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Chairman Hardt referred to the Forester' s Report and noted
that it; suggests a change in variety after every fourth tree.
The varieties selected are appropriate. Ch. Hardt said he
prefers one variety per street for appearance but that to go
along with the Forester there must be a happy medium. Even
very hardy trees can be attacked by disease in the future.
Corn. Knaak noted that 48% of the trees are Honey Locust, a
very high percentage. He suggested 1/3 Honey Locust, 1/3
Ash and, 1/3 Maple, for instance.
Com. Kirby suggested substituting Lindens for Shademasters.
Com. Gibbs asked about plantings along Busch Road. , But that
,S�, „,iis a County Road and will possibly be widened.
\vnn° The single tree on Brandywine is probably already planted
and will be left.
Ch. Hardt asked that it be stipulated that the developer will
Z, put in 2) caliper trees , balled and baled . .At 4, Fures -et;rr7s'
, nPn s" t rP�c staked are difficult to maintain.
Placement of the trees was discusses and it was concluded
that trees be placed in rows of 4 of the same variety, then
4 of another variety, also alternating across the street.
There are 4 varieties to choose from - ABC D, such as
AAAABBi3B as shown on the drawing.
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Chairman Hardt asked for a motion:
Corn. Kirby made a motion to accept the Landscaping
plan for Green Knolls , Pulte Corp. as per the sub-
mitted drawing with the stipulation that every 4
trees a different variety will be used; and that
they should be alternated across the street; also
stipulating:
1) Green Spire :.Li t] e Le f Li en be
substituted for the , , de asert Locs
2) A p an„i gs e " Caliper, Balledu ats,,,,
and
Burl aped.
3) As per the Forester' s Recommendation, 4
species to be used,• in _ groups of four
and the same specie not directly across the
roadway from one of the same kind.
4),. The four trees on Brandywine will remain
as depicted, Shademaster Locust (Lot 285, .
215,216 and 217)
5) The circles on the Landscape Plan will
indicate the site of the plant but the
indication of species will be disregarded
and will be planted as previously stipu-
lated (#3) as per the Forester' s sug-
gestions and with the Public Works ap-
proval.
6) . The total number of trees depicted on the
submitted drawing will be used. If drive-
ways cause encttmberances and 2 or 3 must
be eliminated that these trees will be
planted in the Green Knolls subdivision
at the Public Works discretion.
7) No planting shall take place before the
Director of Public Works is contacted.
8) The Parkway areas are to be 18 Month
Merion Blue Grass Sad} to be watered
for 10 days by the Developer as per _plan.
Corm. Knaak seconded the motion. Discussion: Con. Kirby asked
, ftihe bike path was to be concrete? No,Blacktop.
A need to clarify the intent of the tree plantings was noted,
and the wording should indicate that '.Zsing 4 varieties, trees •
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are to be planted in groups of four in a row with no same trees
• to be across the road from the same specie. AAAABBBBCCCCDDDD
DDDDCCCCBBBBAAAA etc .
Also , a question aroe regarding the cul de sac trees and what
pattern could be used. It was to be left to the Public Works
Dept. to decide . Roll Call Vote was as follows :
Aye - Holland, Knaak, Kirby, Gibbs
Nay - Berins and Hardt.
Motion Passed 4 - 2.
A short recess called.
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At 9:15 P.M. the meeting was yreconvened.
• d) Tony of Italy, Hair Design
Tony Boccia, Ed Grate--Grate Signshmcre Shopping Plaza
Basically, Chairman Hardt reviewed the situation.• Tony of
Italy came to the AC aid was variance. The The ZBA later gave him
a vlyicnc
The AC has decided to appeal the variance to
the Village Board. At last week ' s Worksho
was visited an a field trip P the whole site
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gation that techically it is possiblesthated allpthelsiens1
atthe center are non-conforming. For a number of p • reasons:
It is not depicted on any of the plans submitted
that any signs will be installed on a can. All
were shown as individual back lit letters, mounted
with individual transformers on the other side of
the parapet wall and some of the buildings do have
individual letters, the Bakery and Starck Realty;
as depicted to us and later submitted to he Bldg.
Dept. for permits. One sign showed can on the
cross section, from North Shore Sign Co. No pro-
blems were anticipated when the sign package was
formulated. Mr. Grate was asked to explain.
Mr. Grate said he could clarify the problem. At the time he
was here he said he had explained that the ones on the mansardgy
roof were to be the individual letters. r
each letter requires two holes and if a customerbmovescktout,
many holes are left which cannot be patched satisfactorily.
He said this was agreed to at that time. He cited as an
example , the Lieberman Shopping
been removed and holes are seen.�enter has signs that have
he suggested was the best way to doetheated job. •
he felt the way
In answer to Ch. Hardt ' s questions
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that are en file and he fact that the tepeiof the tugs,
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location of. transformers, etc. are not shown, mou Mr.1tGratend
explained that generally customers are not shown this de-
tail, they are shown on shop drawings.
Another problem is that the cans are black around the edge ,
and this does not blend in with the
brown brick.
Chairman Hardt explained 'she purpose of a Sign how they are meant to speed up the issuance of permits andh
developer chooses an architectural scheme thatblends •inTe
with his center. The letter from Prudential including the •
directions for signs and the agreement to inform tenants o
the Sign Package. of
The purpose of a S. P. is uniformity.
Since the Sign Package does not state that any can will be
used and since nce Mr. Grate said letters were mounted to cans
in good faith trying to meet the intent of the sign
package.
Mr. Hardt said the Tony of Italy drawing shows a remote
flush mounting and no other signs are mounted this way.
He asked why the sign package was
not observed when the
Tony of Italy,
Hair Design was designed using two lines. -:
Mr. Grate said he believed the sign meets all the require-
ments of the Sign Package.
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The discussion concerning mounting, and it wasnoted that •
none ofthe signs have a remote flush mount as shown. Also
the reason for not informing the Building- Dept. of the
changes that were being used that differ from the Sign Package.
Mr. Grate said he felt they aid comply regarding type of
letters, size, and color.
Mr. Hardt noted that Tom Fennell had rejected some et' the
plans that were submitted for the Bakery were denied and
had to be resubmitted. Also noted was the fact that had
request for signage such as appears at the Jewelers in- the
Lieberman' s Center as opposed to the Rosen & Shane sign it
would have been denied. Because cross sections of remote
flush mountings are shown and have not been built there was
some need for explanation. Other signs that were rejected
came in first with two lines and later resubmitted with one
line of copy as the Sign Package intended, using Little
Italian Pizza as a model for all signage.
Mr. Saviano presented the plans and cross sections of the
mounting was noted. die saga the way the signs are mounted
Mr. Crate described the mounting and said it only takes four
holes for each sign. On Strathmore Drugs a different situ-
ation existed in that it was impossible for the letters to
be mounted on the mansard because there is not enough room
between the top of the wall and the mansard for a man to
reach in and do the job. The Bldg. Dept. was not consulted.
Mr. Saviano said. he would check this out to confirm.
- Ch. Hardt asked why the electrical disconnects were not
put on where they were supposed to be?
Mr. Grate said He did not know and he was not there at the
time . This can be done easily and he will see to it.
The problem of submitting a sign with two lines was dis-
cussed again. . The SP intent being one line that was to •
be 18 inches above the rocf base on the fascia board. As
a matter of fact the signs are 24 inches above the roof
base but that is betterrlacement according to: Mr. Grate.
Another problem is that the Cleaners also does not comply.
Chairman Hardt said. that it was necessary to decide what to
• do. He gave two alternatives; one , require strict com-
pliance or two , to compromise.
Com. Knaak suggested that each problem be taken one at a
time . Since different questions are to be applied to each
sign that is in non-conformance , individual decisions must
be made. If Little Italian Pizza is considered to be good
then all signs like it are to be installed in a similar
manner. Take all signs over arches or installed on brick
and agree to whatever that is. Then take the ones on. the
mansard and address that separately: Strathmore Drugs,
Jelly Bowl and Starck, etc. Also all must have disconnects.
Com. Knaak suggested starting with signs on the brick.
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Chairman Hardt agreed with CQm. Knaak ' s suggestion with the
added caution that supposing Little Italian Pisza is accepted
as the correct format in construction, when the Cleaners is
reviewed it must be considered that Cleaners is a form of ad-
vertising not an identification sign, something must be done.
A change must be compatible with the sign package and a double
line is out. A form of compromise is necessary. The ones on
the brick are okay with the exception of the Cleaners. Then
take the ones on the mansard and say they are okay if discon-
nects are installed. Then the Drugstore is assessed separate-
ly, depending upon the structure of the building and whether
or not there was access. The Cleaners is another separate item.
Com. Kirby commented that since Mr. Conrardy was at the meeting
at which the sign package was drawn up. The idea of a Sign
Package was thoroughly explained so that problems such as have
been experienced in the past would hot happen. She made cer-
tain that he understood the importance of informing all tenants
of the requirements. That way no tenant could come in pleading
financial difficulty because signs were constructed before per-
mits were issued or, because they did not know about a sign
package. Com. Kirby strongly felt that Mr. Conrardy should be
here because he is responsible for the Sign Package and he knew
What was expected.
Com.. Knaak confirmed Com. Kirby' s statement by referring to
the previous rinutes in which the Sign Package was approved.
He suggested reviewing each portion of the building and the
particu2 ar mounting problems that exist, making the motions
and reaching a suitable compromise . •
After discussing the situation, . it was decided it would be
best to go ahead this night and set forth in motions the various
aspects of an amended Sign Package, including a reprimand to
Grate Signs for not complying.
A. Meats - Cleaners - Little Italian Pizza - ON BRICK.
Straw Poll to determine approval or disapproval of the
Raceway mounting being used, as follows :
Holland - Acceptable, not exactly in conformance
but facing reality - OK
Knaak - Acceptable , same comment as Holland, but
must be consistant in future
Berins - Acceptable , practical and painting will
make a difference
Gibbs - Not Acceptable - Definite care Was taken
but will say to prevent such situa-
Acceptable tions, but allowance must
be made for business sen
to operate without excesr
Kirby - Agree with sive expense.
Mr. Gibbs
Hardt - Agree with
Mr. Gibbs, asked that the mounting
brackets be made less notice-
able .
Mr. Grate said he would personally see to it that the
Cleaners be corrected to BG CLEANERS and move it over.
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B. MANSARD Signs - Starck Realty - Bakery
Strathmore Drugs, exception?
Chairman Hardt asked for the Commissioners to comment on
the mansard mounted signs.
Com. Holland said he approved of the individually mounted
letters. Also since the situation with the Strathmore Drugs
is necessary unless Dominic Saviano finds otherwise , then
the sign will have to remain as it is.
The other Commissioners agreed with Com. Holland' s statement.
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Mr. Saviano brought up for consideration that since the S----
Drug store is located on the corner, there is a possiblilty
that at the East end of the Center, construction will be the
same . Therefore a stipulation might be made that a sign for
that location be like Strathmore Drugs, using a Raceway.
Chairman Hardt agreed that since all the signs on the Rt. 83
side of the building will be on Raceways it would be best
to have both ends of the building the same. However if the
inspection Mr. Saviano makes shows it to be ossible to have
individual letters installed (in both places then the AC
would make this necessary. The next question to be. discussed
was the 24 inch bottom line designation instead of the line
stipulated in the Sign Package. But it was agreed that as
long as they all are on one line at the same height. But
Tony of Italy is a problem since he has a variation for 2•
lines, with letters 12" and 8" - from the ZBA.
Tony presented a new drawing Tony of Italy Hair Design on l line;
Letters of 18" and 10" and stretched across almost the full 20 '
store front, somewhat close to the side line; as a representation.
As the Commission reviewed the sign, it was noted that it would
be an offset sign, and might be overpowering to Starck Realty.
Chairman Hardt asked if Tony would be willing to install such.
a sign if the AC approved the sign, and Starck Realty agreed •
to having such a large sign next door, and Mr. Conrardy also
was in agreement? Would Tony be willing to withdraw his vari-
ance and put up the 20 ' sign on his 20'. store front? In which
case LC would withdraw its appeal .
Tony said -he would consider it but that he did not think it
looks as good as the sign he presented on two lines. He asked
if the Commission could not make one more exception?
The discussion that followed brought out several factors, such
as the number of stores yet to be rented and what "exceptions"
they might ask for. Also Starck Realty must be consulted and
they might also object to two lines as well as the large sign.
Mr. Grate asked what the whole procedure would be if the Village
Board approves the variance?
Chairman Hardt described the procedure : •
1 - Applicant is sent to the ZBA for a variance
if a sign is presented that is in non-compliance.
2 - If the ZBA grants the variance it goes to the AC
3 — The AC reviews the sign. If it is approved a
permit is issued by the Bldg. Dept. if it is not
approved. It goes to the Village Board.
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4. The Village Board can overrule the AO decision or
agree with the AC.
5. If they agree with the AC, a permit is still not
issued and they go to court.
Mr. Grate said he thought that if the AC rejected a sign,
it went to the ZBA - got a variance, back to the AC, rejected-
the Village Board was the judge. He thought it should be -
tothe AC, if rejected goes to the ZBA - win or lose - go to .
Village Board.
Com. Berins explained the thing that sometimes happens is
that a sign comes to the AC that should have first gone to
the ZBA for a variance. There is no intention under the
Sign Code to cause a Catche 22 situation.
Tony said the Sign Package does not specify one line.
Dominic said the intent was that Little Italian Pizza was
the model and it has only one line . The other indication •
was the placement at a certain height on the mansard.
Ch. Hardt gave the three ways a permit can be issued.
1 - The sign meets the Sign Package.
2 - The AC can authorize the Bldg. Dept.
to issue a permit.
3 - The Village Board can authorize a permit .
The ZBi. does not have the authority to issue a permit.
With Starck Realty the key to whether or not the large
sign Would be acceptable , Ch. Hardt asked what shoul,K be
done. It was felt that Mr.Conrardy would not object.
Mr. Tom Neal of Grate Signs offered an alternate solution
and that was to reduce the size of the letters to 12" Upper
case & 8" Lower case, using one line 15' long, at 24" ht.
Tony Of Italy Hair Design
This would require only a variation of the size of letters.
A straw poll was taken as follows :
Holland - Against variation - prefers 18"
Knaak - No - all 12" letters Yes; or T.ofl.
Berms - Yes, 12" & 8"
Gibbs - Yes, 12" & 8"
Kirby - Yes
Hardt - Yes to compromise
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Ch. Hardt gave the three options the AC has.
I - Say No to the Compromise 12" & 8" letters
2 - Appeal to the Village Board
a) Village Board denies, Tony comes back
to the AC
b) Village Board agrees with ZBA, sign can
be put up with the 2 lines.
Dominic Saviano reminded Tony that alce be Village Board
is shown the plans that have been denied by the previous
Bldg. Commissioner, that have two lines - they will deny.
Chairman Hardt said he would allow five more minutes of
discussion and then motions will be made.
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Tony added that if he liked ihe 12" and 8" on one line he •
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will agree to it. Corn. Gibbs cut out the letters and laid
them out for Tony to see with the comment that all the .words
should match one Cap. and the rest lower case .
Tony Of Italy Hair Design
Tony could not visualize the way it would look until a draw-
ing is made and he could think about it. Therefore it was
decided that several different motions would be made.
I - Motion made by Com. Holland
I move that this Commission be on record chastizing
Mr. Grate for not conforming exactly with the Sign
Package as agreed to in the minutes of August 10, 1978
by Mr. Conrardy and with the subsequent letter dated
August 30, 1978 ; And further that the construction of
signs did not correspond with the drawings that were
submitted.
Motion was seconded by Com. Kirby.
Roll Call Vote was taken a , follows: •
Aye- Knaak, Gibbs, Kirby, Holland Hardt
No - Berins
II - Chairman Hardt asked for a motion dealing with compro-
mise situation for existing . masonary wall signage
and for any future signage ; also including uniform
coloring of the raceways, painting out of the mount-
ing brackets, placement of disconnects on the side
channel of the raceway and painted out to match the
raceway; all future signs must meet this criteria -
Com. Kirby so moved with the added stipulations:
• a) signs to be single line on the
brick wall located 14" above the
tangent of the archway;
b) addition of EG to the signage
already installed for the Cleaners -
to be done by Mr. Grate - entire
signage to be centered over the store-
to be done within 6 weeks of this date;
This motion is addressing itself only to the signs
that are on the masonary roof and it will supercede
the portion of the sign package of Aug. 10, 1978.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. No discussion
Roll Call Vote was Aye Unanimously.
III - Mansard Signs - Tony of Italy
Cora. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we approve a sign to he 12" Capitol letters
and 8" Lower case letters , to be Helvetica style;
centered over the store front; disconnects to be
painted out as discussed; letters to be in a single
line - 24" from the roof base in a line with the
Bakery and Starck Realty; to read as follows:
Tony of Italy Hair Design
Letters are internally, illuninated - free-standing
individual letters - Helvetica style. No Raceway.
Motion seconded by Com. Berins. Roll Call Vote as
follows: Aye - Berins , Kirby, Gibbs and Hardt
No - Holland and Knaak
Motion Passed 4 to 2. APPEARANCE COMMISSION
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IV - Mansard Signs
tkom. Holland made the following motion:
—ItI move that on the mansard frontage all signs shall
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be of Helvetica medium letters, 18" Upper case and
10" Lower case letters; free standing, internally
illuminated; 24 inches from the base of the mansard
S c frontage on all the mansard frontage buildings in the
Prudential Shopping Uenter known as Strathmore Shopping
Center with the exception of the previously accepted
aC- bt/ motion regarding Tony of Italy aid with the stipulation:-
p (L o ,, that the present raceway on Strathmore Drugs be inspect-
�" - ed by Dominic Saviano . Chief Building Inspector. If it
Q� o S a �, is impossible to install individually illuminated free-
i. Qv ✓v � � standing letters, then the raceway may remain.
,�,...�� The balance of the Rt. 83 frontage
'S� s'< shall be in conformance with the free-standing letters;
with the exception of the section of the building at
the far Eastern end cf the building - if the brick wall
behindd -thenansard is too close to allow access on the ,r.,
Strathmore Drug -store then a raceway shall be used on
The motion was seconded by Com. Knaak.
the East end 0150.
Roll Call Vote was as follows: •
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Aye - Gibbs , Kirby, Knaak, Holland and Hardt
No - Berins
Motion Passed 5 to 1.
Com. Hardt explained to Tony that should he approve ofthe
rendering of the sign as outlined in the Motion III! a
permit will be issued by Dominic.
Tony stated that he would look at the drawing and. if he
thinks it is attractive ,the way he wants it, he Will agree.
If not , he will go to the Village Board.
Come Kirby made the following suggestion .:-
If Tony of Italy goes to the Village Board it is
the suggestion of this Commission that the whole
thing is reviewed from the beginning. That the
compromise worked out here tonight must be accepted
or rejected prior to any appeal to the Board.
Dominic was instructed not to issue a permit unless the
new rendering is approved. The variance must be withdrawn.
If the ZBA variance is withdrawn prior to the meeting of
the Village Board, a permit may be issued. If the appeal
goes through the Appearance will withdraw the Motion ; III
to compromise.
Motion to adjourn was made by Com. Knaak •and seconded by
Com. Kirby. The meeting was adjourned at 11 :40 P.M.
Chairman Hardt thanked Laura Berins for her contribution
to the Commission ,and invited her to rejoin at a future time.
• _Respp;ctfully submitted,
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Sb rl- y ;Secretary
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