1979-02-22 - Appearance Commission - Minutes THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL.
THURS. , FEBRUARY 22 , 1979
1 . CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7: 37 P.M. by Commissioner
Kirby, in the absence of Chairman Hardt ; at the Village Hall .
2 . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present - Kirby, Gibbs , Paolillo, Berins,
Knaak and Holland . D . Saviano
from the Bldg . Dept .
Chairman Ha^dt arrived at 7:45 P.M.
QUORUM PRESENT
3, APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Approval of minutes from Feb. 8 , 1979 and the 2 January
meetings were tabled until the next Workshop meeting .
Com. Gibbs moved to table the 2/8/79 minutes . Seconded by
Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Vote to table - Aye unanimously.
4 . BUISNESS
a) Landscaping of Village Sites - Bill Davis
Mr. . Davis presented photographs of two lights he has
selected for the Village Hall . One is a 4 ft . standard
to be used along the sidewalk that leads into the Village
Hall and at the Police Station entrance . 12 in all .
The second is a 14 ft . standard to be used for the parking
lot . These are the same as the lights at Plaza Verde .
The lights are square , with acrylic globes and anodized
metal poles .
In answer to Com. Gibbs' question concerning the Youth
Center, Mr . Davis said one light would partially light
the Youth Center property and that when lights are chosen
for the Center, they would be tied in with these .
The lights would be mounted at grade level . The company
that makes them is reliable and replacement would be good .
Com . Holland made a motion to accent the lighting for the
Village of Buffalo Grove Village Hall as presented by
Bill Davis .
Motion was seconded by Commissioner Gibbs .
Roll Call Vote was taken. Motion Passed. unanimously.
At this point, Chairman Hardt arrived .
b) Commons - Lou Shassian, Devonshire Development Corn.
Mr . Shassian presented samples of siding, roof shingles,
and brick. They are offering 6 roofs , 6 alcoa siding
colors , but no white or green. Colors denoted are :
Village Red, Sandstone , Muscrat Brown, Desert Tan,
Colonial Blue and Sierra Brown; 4 brick colors are
being offered if available . Lights for the Tudor : -
#5880 , antique brass and #5640 lantern; with #5655 for
the Colonial . At the rear doors inexpensive black lights .
Lights for the Park District property - "mall" - are 12'
Standard - Commons #P-540331 - pole is steel abd 4 will
be placed along the walkway. Mr . Shassian said that if
the Park District does not want to retain the lights and
landscaping it will be taken out and sodded .
Ch. Hardt stated he felt the Homeowners would put pressure
upon the Park District to keep the Mall .
Regarding the roof colors , Mr. Shassian said that all
homes must be cleared with the architect before they are
accept the color combinations .
Ch. Hardt approved the color chart and asked general
questions . The wood trim will match the siding . The
downspouts , and gutters will also match the siding or
will compliment in the color range of dark brown, cream,
ivory, grey and tan earth tones . No white , black, red
or blue gutters or downspouts . Mr . Shassian or the
architect review all color selections and would meet the
monotny code - no 2 houses next to each other could have
the same colors .
Com . Knaak noted that the Jan. 11, 1979 minutes saw that
6 brick colors would be offered - the number is now 4
providing they can get what was presented tonight .
Model #103 B with the wooden shutters - Mr. Shassian said
they would be select cedar with solid stain..
It was noted that the Appearance Commission recommenr9ati.on
will be that corner lots should have landsc3.pe treatment ;
but Mr . Shassian has not agreed to stipulate this .
Chairman Hardt (not presiding) made the following motion :
I move we accept the color package as submitted for
the Commons with the stipulations that :
a) There are 4 types of brick; noting that
if they are unavailable during construction,
close facsimilies will be used in their place .
b) There will be 6 roof shingle colors , Dark
brown, cream , ivory, grey, tan and brown -
No white , black, red or blue .
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c) Six siding colors as previously mentioned.
above - aloca aluminum or equal
d) Gutters and downspouts be of aluminum to
match or compliment siding. Mr . Shassian
or the architect will review all color
selections
e) Lighting packages shall include : #5880-
Anti.que Brass and #5640 - Lantern on the
Tudors ; and #5655 on the Colonial . Rear
door fixtures - Black.
f) Four #54.0331 - Pole Lamps at the Mall area ,
12 ft . tall
Motion r s seconded by Corn . Gibbs.
Roll Call Vote was taken. Motion Passed unanimously.
Chairman Hardt noted that if upon dedication to the Park
District any drastic changes in the landscaping or in the
accepted lighting ; that it is requested that the A poerance
Commission be allowed to review it before consideration
by the Village Board .
Mr . Shassian was thanked for coming . Chairman Hardt
presided over the remainder of the meeting. He asked
for a representative to be present at the Village Board
meeting to represent the AC request for side yard treat-
ments for the Commons . The date is March 5th - 1 week
from next Monday. Commissioner Kirby volunteered .
c) Arlington Country Club Condominiums
Gerald Tenor (Katz and Co . ) explained the situation
pertaining to the purchase of the Arlington Country
Club Condominiums and the problem that occured after
they had gone to the Village Board and were sent to
the Appearance Commission. On Jan. 25th they were
here and because of the extent of the changes in
landscaping and architecture the matter was tabled .
Ch. Hardt asked that the Appearance Commission treat
the plans as a new submittal ; and review the building
and landscaping as presented this night .
Zoric Ravin, architect described the plans for the
two buildings . The mansard type roofs are asphalt
shingled and the terrace construction was explained .
More detail appears in the motion. The Commission
expressed their preference for a brown steel tube
balcony rail . The heating/ A .C . units are interior
with condensing units at the center of the roof about
35' back ane will be painted out . No muttons on
the windows . Frame8:mood with thermo panes . Garage
doors - Brn^*n wood . Service door. - Steel painted out
bronze . Sills - cut stone .
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garage-
Mr . Saviano confirmed that a steel door on the/entr•y_.
would meet the code . A concrete stoop at the entry - .
way that has no sill . Sliding doors are two different
sizes - one for the living room and one for the kitchen/
breakfast room to give tenants a more home like atmosphere .
The elevator tower - a penthouse located in the center of
the building and. extends about 4 feet above the mansard .
It will be given the same treatment as the roof - flat .
Facia painted out . No fireplaces in any units . Lighting
selections have not been made . They will submit for the
garage and balcony, front and. rear entries , and any other
lighting at a later date . Laundry space is provided. in
each apartment and a washer and dryer available for publie .use .
Grills painted. out to match the brick. Garbage handeled •
by shoots into a rubbish room and loaded into a dumpster .
No parapet wall needed as such. A Class A roof with space
between the walls . All stipulations are noted in the
motion which was made by Commissioner Kirby as follows :
I move we accept the architectural plans for the
Arlington Country Club Condominums with these
stipulations :
a) No fireplaces to be allowed ;
`J) Elevator tower to be brick to match the face brick;
c) Flat roof will have no overhang, facia painted to
match the brick • ` f
d) Condensing units on the roof will be at the approxi-
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mate longitudinal centerline of the building ; • ,
e) Entry to be bronzeffiodized aluminum ; f
f) Brown trim on the building will include :
. Rail pickets , 2"x 6" steel tube on patio ;
- g) Wood window trim , facia , freezeboard will be beige ;
h) Ceilings for terrace area will be Transite painted beiw
i) Cedar cap on windows in the mansard roof will be
stained cedar to match the roofing material , or brown;
3) Grill vents for dryers , kitchen and baths to be
brown painted out to match the brick;
k) Canopies and mansard replace parapet all around the
building ;
,1) Roofing material will be Johns Mansville -
Seadrift Grey
m) Brick as submitted - Grey Old Spanish King , #1300524
(or if not available new bricks will be submitted ) ;
n) Mansard returns on both bldgs , East and West elev
tions will be the same roofing material as that
- • portion of the building.
o) Garage Doors - 16' x 7' overhead , Brown Wood
to match the other wood trim ;
p) Side Entry door to be steel with a glass-lite ,
painted out bronze . •
q) ALL lighting 'to be reviewed at a later date .
Commissioner Berins seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote was taken. Motion Passed unanimously.
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Arlington Country Club Condominiums , cont'd
In answer to a question Com.Gibbs asked concerning the
roof lines , Mr. Ravin described the roof drainage system
with . interior downspouts and possibly one canopy run-off at
the front door which would be painted out to match the wood .
The front entry way and glass would be anodized aluminum .
Landscaping
A short break was taken while Mr . Saviano brought the
original Landscaping Plans for Arlington Country Club.
The new developer has agreed to follow these plans closely.
Chairman Hardt asked that since they did not submit a new
set of drawings , but plan to basically follow a plan simi-
lar to the original plan the Commission should givF some
guidelines and asked that new plans be brought In showtg
the new treatment of the garage because it is higher ; also
the parkway trees , parking area curb. The birm height
was discussed and the retention area . Ch . Hardt asked that
the plan be submitted to the Village Forester and. Public
Works D:ept ,and then it comes to the Appearance Commission.
If the original plan is followed approval should be speedy.
Motion to table Landscaping and Lighting was made by
Com . Knaak and seconded by Conn . Ber ins .
Roll. Call vote was taken and the Motion Passed unanimously.
Com. Kirby asked specifically that the landscaping plan
show the elevation of the parking lot, any change of
grade level . Show any new engineering changes . Also
if consideration is being given to a picnic area . And
especially the retention area, if dry? have it OK'd.
with Engineering .
d) Pulte (Formerly Green Knolls)
Chairman Hardt reviewed the background of the Pulte Corp.
presentation at the previous meeting . Several problems
were to be resolved . One being the chimney construction .
Green Knolls chimneys are all brick matching the houses
and Pulte submitted plans for aluminum siding chimney.
Also a problem of meeting the Village I9onothy Code with
only two models . And a site plan was also requested so
that the lots to be built by Green Knolls could be seen.
Mr. Dan Star, representative , showed the plot plan and
explained the location of Phase 1 of Unit 1 - 30 Lots
and a second 39 Lots which are also under contract for
a later. date . Phase I consists of lots 2 , 3,11-25, - 31 ;
-and 108 - 125,also 285, and 128- 134 . (May not be correct . )
The area will be harmonious in style , size but in general
the Pulte homes will be better quality.
In answer to the quest concerning a 3rd. model , Mr . Star
said he had met with Mr . Balling and Dominic ; at which
time it was decided to build a 3rd model . These plans
are not complete but a partial plan was submitted .
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cont'd-Pulte (Formerly Green Knolls)
The 3rd model would be a 2-story, 4 bedroom , 2 car. garage .
A letter from fir . Balling was submitted stating that
approval of the Appearance Commission is all that is
needed by Pulte,because the engineering has not been
changed .
Mr. Star stated that regarding the fireplaces , the Green
Knolls apnroval stipulated that the brick fireplaces
match the brick front of the house . Since Puite offers
brick as an orti.on,aluminum fireplaces would better match
the front of the houses . They are pre-fabricated and ex-
cept for 1 model the fireplaces are at the rear or on the
side . The gables will match the trim color . The roof
vents and chimneys are on the rear elevations and would
'be painted out to match the shingles . All garages will be
paneled . The 3rd model will be the same es presented be-
fore with 4 elevations making a total of 12 elevations .
Shutters are alumium as per the color. package . Sills are
wood. (or brick as an option) Front door wood sill dor
,brick) . Concrete foundation wall graded and sloped so
that no more than 8" will be exposed . Muttons on win-
dows removable and on all windows . Gable vent to be
painted out to match the wood trim. Shutters will be
put on corner windows .
Again the fireplaces were discussed . Since Green Knolls
offer brick fronts as an option and fireplaces are mason-
ary the Appearance Commission will recommend to the Village
Board that masonary fireplaces be required instead of the
proposed aluminum pre-fabs that are being programmed now .
The railings will be wrought iron which will meet the
Building Code Requirements . A straw poll was taken to
determine the feelings of the Commission as to the color
of the railings . The vote was as follows :
'A11 Black Holland and Knaak
Descretion
of Home Owner - Kirby, Banns , Gibbs
Paolillo and Hardt
The vote was 5 to 2 in favor of the giving the Homeowners
the option to select the stair rail color.
Concerning the base of wooden posts which are hollow posts
set into wood bases , the developer stipulated that where
the wood and concrete meet the wood shall be treated to
prevent rotting .
Downspouts are on the side , not the front of houses . They
will match the siding or the corner posts . Front lots will
be sod'dei put have no landscaping . B vents rill be painted
out . Side elevations - windows will have shutters , corners .
On the Colonial - the rear patio has a 1 x 12 strip between
the base and s#;bb ??r (didn' t get this) painted to match
the trim.
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Moving on to the 3rd elevation, Mr . Star said the plans are
not complete . Therefore Ch . Hardt said that the model would
be tabled but would be considered in the motion so that the
Monotny Code would be met . He did question the two different
sizes of shutters on the front .
The color package was discussed and Mr . Star said buyers would
be allowed to select a package and no changes con bP ma(iP .
Roofs will be black. No green is being offered , in order to
conform to the Green Knolls subdivision colors . 10 combinations .
A straw poll was taken to determine the whether masonary fire -
places are prefered to match Green Knolls or whether a choice
between masonary or aluminum be given? Poll as follows :
Paolillo - all masonary
Gibbs - all masonary
Kirby - - Abstained
Berins - all masonary
Holland - all masonary
Knaac - all masonary
Hardt - all masonary
It was decided 6 to 1 for all masonary fireplaces to be
recommended .
Com . Holland commented that the 3rd model is not significantly
different , but Ch . Hardt pointed out that the garage is out
in front , making a difference in depth which does not show
clearly on a 2 dimensional drawing.
Commissioner Kirby made the following motion:
I move we accept the two models present4d , excluding the .
3rd model until it is aprroved - but including it as an
entire package so that they can meet our Monotny Code .
If fireplaces are ordered they are to be masonary; and if a
fireplace is ordered for the brick house , the fireplace is
to match the brick. front . (Brick submitted - face brick)
Other stipulations :
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a) The trim package accepted with the rules submitted ;
b) All vents to be painted out to match the trim ;
c) Wood sills under the windows and doors will be
painted out to match the trim ;
d) All models , all elevations where windows appear
on corner lots - the sides will be treated as
the fronts with shutters ;
e) Freezeboards and facia painted out to match trim ;
f) Fireplaces to be masonary ;
g) Iron railings to be painted , option of Homeowner ;
h) Posts where wood meets the concrete will be treated ;
i) Patio door to be painted out to match the trim ;
j) Downspouts to be painted out to match the 8 dI ng nr
to match corner. posts ( downspouts not to be on the
front) ;
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k) Roof vents to be located in the rear and
painted out to match the roof .
1) B-vents painted out to match roof.
m) Foundation treatment will meet the Code-
not more than 8 inches of exposed concrete .
n) Will meet M onotny Code - No two like elevations
located T^ithin 3 lots and no two like colors
within 2 lots or across the street .
o) Garage Doors will be paneled wood, painted to
match the trim .
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Gibbs .
Roll Call Vote was taken as follows : Aye - Holland , Berins ,
Kirby, Gibbs ,
Paolillo and
Hardt
Nay - Knaak
Motion Passed - 6 to 1 .
LANDSCAPING OF MODEL AREA
Mr. Cizek of Pulte presented a drawing of the Model Area,
showing location of lights for the models and general
landscaping . The lights are 6"to8" quartz ground level
lights showing ONLY on the models, which are located on
lots72,73 and 77. Concern was shown for the homeowners
directly behind the models . Mr . Cizek as-ur.ed the Com-
missioners that they would not be seen from the rear .
Chairmen Hardt stated that the landscaping plan was not
satisfactory because sizes and species are not sho*,gin . in
detail .
Mr . Cizek proceeded to describe the selections of
the trees and shrubs . Chairman Hardt noted these on the
plan and the developers signed the plan for the file .
Selections made were 15 to 17 foot , 4 inch diameter Green
Ash (Marshall Variety) and Honey Locust (Shademaster) to
be alternated - 2 each. The parkway trees will be the
same as approved for Green Knolls . Around Lot #74, the
Buchingham will have 3 - 6' ft . high Flowering Crabs
Radiant (Thornless)
Shrubs - 24" are Fitzer Junipers
Small circulars are 24" Globe Ewes
Larger circles are 30" dia. Globe Ewes
Also used. Brown' s Upright Ewes
Shrubs - 36" Sp1rea
All the Model Lots will be landscaped in the same general
way. - Ch. Hardt commented that model area landscning
is usually very good and acceptable . Request was made to
remove any shrubs that overhang the sidewalk if the Buyer
or the Public Works asks that this be done . Agreed . Also
request was made to shield the lights with shrubs . Agreed .
The Model Signs were presented but Ch. Hardt asked that
more specific detail be presented at a later date noting
correct size would be required .
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The Landscape Plan was signed and Chairman Hardt asked for a
motion excluding signage . Lights to be shielded with shrubs .
Com . Holland made a motion to table the landscaping in view
of the fact that sizes must be approved , in view of the
quality of the presentation, in view of the fact that it
cannot be approved in total . He moved to table the entire
Model Area Landscaping until such time that proper plans are
presented .
Com . Knaak seconded the motion and added his reason being
that the Commission is not supposed to design, but to ap-rove .
Chairman Hardt commented that Model area landscaping is
usually well done and acceptable and that the developer had
named the types of plantings . He called for a vote to table .
Roll Call Vote was taken as follows :
"-.- To table : Gibbs , Holland , and Knaak
Not to table : Paolillo, Kirby, Berins and Hardt .
Result - Motion to table defeated 4 to 3.
Chairman Hardt asked for a motion to aprr- ove the l.andseaping
of the Model area .
Com . Knaak asked about the parking area and it res noted that
it will be a gravel lot with no landscaping planned . Ch. Hardt
felt that because surrounding neighbors mirrht not appreciate a
Parking Lot vdew. Screening was suggested and asked that the
parking area be excluded in the motion. Plans must be submitted .
Commissioner Paolillo made a motion to accept the Landscaping
around the Models as presented for Lots 72 , 73, and 74 , excluding
the parking area, and street tree plantings , and noting that the
exterior lighting be submitted. to Dominic Saviano for Appear-
ance approval . Also.excluding signage .
Motion was seconded by Commissioner Kirby.
Roll Call Vote was taken as follows :
Aye - Berins , Kirby, Gibbs, Paolillo and Hardt
Nay - Holland and Knaak
Motion Passed - 5 to 2 .
Exterior lighting fixtures were shown to the panel . There will
be Coach lights at the front door, garage and Porches .
Ch. Hardt asked that they submit pictures to Dominic Saviano
for approval at a later time .
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5 . ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ch . Hardt announced that Commissioner Laura Bering had
submitted her resignation to be effective March 9, .1979.
Reason being so she can give more time to the Libraby
Board . She was thanked for her year of service on the AC
and asked to rejoin if at a future date she had more time .
Dominic Saviano informed the AC that Tony of Italy, who had
been denied at the Feb. 8, 1979 meeting because his sign does
not comply with the Prudential Sign Packages had applied for
a variance from the ZBA . He said if the ABZ denies the sign
Tony has 15 days to submit a letter to the Village Board for
approval .
A discussion of the intent of the Sign Code with reference to
Sign Packages, Section 4 .6 - and it was noted that if a
developer agrees to a Sign Package it will 'Abecome a part of
the Sign Code and need a variance from the ZBA before return-
ing to the Appearance Commission . General discussion followed.
concerning whether or not the ZBA has the power to approve a
variance . It was finally agreed that the Sign Code, Sec . 12 ,1
provides that the ZBA. can vary the Sign Package because it is
a part of the Sign Code . :__If the ZBA denies the variance the
petitioner has 15 days in which to appeal to the Village Board .
Discussion followed concerning the issuance of permits and
Chairman Hardt suggested that a Workshop meeting be held on
Thursday, Barth 1st to thoroughly discuss the situation and.
make some definite decisions . The Commissioners agreed .
Another decision to be made is whether the AC will review any
development' s plans if they are not complete and submitted
in time for the Commissioners to study them before the meeting.
Dominic Saviano commented that the Appearance Commission was
formulated on the policy in Section 1 the AC will assist or
act as a guide to any developer that comes before it . They
are to offer guidance as a consultant to avoid excessive time
consumption. It is true that they must follow all Code rules .
Ch. Hardt stated he felt it was better to help Pulte with the
landscaping tonight since they did know what they wanted and
he only labeled their plan. They saved time for all .
Com . Knaak said he personally wants to see plans before coming.
Com . Holland said his motion was probably made too late .
Others recalled that last week Arlington Condos came in with
plans and the situation created is not in the best interest
of all concerned . The Workshop will be used to dispense with
these and other problf:m&. Time 7 : 30 P.M . - Thurs . 3 / 1 /79.
A list of requirements will be made up and given to developers .
6 . ADJOURNMENT - The meeting was adjourned at 11 :40 P.M .
Respectfully submitted ,
Shirley Bate , Secretary
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