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1979-01-25 - Appearance Commission - Minutes (C APPEARA10E COMMISSION VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILL. THURSDAY, JANUARY ?.5 1979 1. CALL TO ORDER Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting to order at 7:45 P.M. • at the Village Hall, on Thursday, January 25, 1979. 2. ROLL CALL Commissioners Present : Knaak, Hardt , Kirby and Holland . Mr. Holland *•as appointed at the last Village Board meeting. Dominic Saviano , Bldg. Dept . Commissioners absent : Gibbs , Paolillo and Berins 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The approval of minutes Was tabled until a later time because the Commissioners have not had them long enough to review them . 4. BUSINESS Before the Old. Business, Mr. Hardt informed the representatives of Standard Pacific, Highland Point , Unit 7 Landscaping could not be reviewed at this time because the Engineering Dent . has requested additional sidewalk and planting information along Weiland Road . Mr. Tex Gugpemos stated that this was very discouraging since the Engineering Dept . has had this matter since April 24 . But Mr. Saviano said they did not receive the plans until Jan. 10, 1979 and he suggested a meeting :.tomorrow, Jan. 26, 1979 with Mr. Boysen to finalize the approval. Mr. Guggemos agreed to the meeting provided Mr. Balling was also present and asked if the Appearance Commission could make a review subject to the decision of Engineering. Mr. Hardt said they were sorry but the Commission could not do that but will give them every eonsideration to return as soon as possible . OLD BUSINESS Stan's Standard Station, Arlington Hts . . Rd. and Buffalo Grove . Rd . Mr. Stan Ozimek, Owner presented a letter from Standard Oil's Project zngineer., Clifford A. rtudd stipulating that signage would be corrected as follows : a) One Pylon sign with S.O.Logo, Car Wash and price message . b) Three perimeter and free standing curb signs will be removed . c) New signs on poles , uniform shape and size. d) Entrance and Exit signs to Car Wash e) Car Wash information signs .affixed to building. Eh. Hardt asked that the exit sign be constructed with red plastic letters so that it will match the other pro-7. posed pole signs on the islands . The Commissioners were agreeable to the proposed signage but asked that the sign on the farmer' s property be removed . Stan agreed to do this as soon as the weather rermits . The signage was discussed until all questions regarding the reader board , lighting and intentions of .Mr Oz imek .•.ere determined . The reader board shall contain Gas Prices only; it shall not exceed 20 ft . in height , and a color rendering of the sign should be submitted to the Bldg. Dent . prior to the issuance of a building permit . Motion to table was made by Com. Kirby stipulating a color drawing be submitted, showing lighting, colors, height and width of the pylon sign; Exact wording on the reader; location of all signs on a site plan; These plans can be submitted to the Bldg. Dept .and will be reviewed prior to approval; Exit sign letters ; The AC also recommends that no action be taken against Mr. Ozimek' s business license until information is given as requested and approved. Mr. Ozimet does not need to come. Com. Knaak seconded the motion. All approved tabling. 5 NE4 BUSINESS a) HONE FEDERAL, Plaza Verde - No representatives present . b) RADIO SHACK. E. L. Maradei - FlashtricSign Co. Mr. Maradei presented the sign face change reauested for the interior of Buffalo Grove Mall. Radio Shack is changing its operations from radios , stereo parts , etc . to a Computer Center. Mr. Saviano_.referred to the Sign Code, Page 41, Exempt Signs. It was determined that the Appearance Commission did not need to review inside face changes but it can recom- mend that the sign meet all structural standards for materials and electrical connections ; as per the Code. Motion to recomr*end issuance of a permit according to specifications of the Sign Code . was made by Com. Holland and seconded by Com. Kirby. Motion Passed unanimously. c) TONY of ITALY, Prudential - Strathmore Plaza ( Ch. Hardt asked Com. Kirby to lead the discussion. Tom Neal, Flashtric Sign Co. and Tony, owner of the store . Mr. Neal presented the copy and stated that the letters have been decreased in size to fit within the alotted space as set forth in a letter from Mr . Conrardy.. They are requesting a two line sign: TONY OF ITALY, Hair Design. The business license reads only TONY OF ITALY. The minutes requesting Mr. Conrardy to give all tenants copies or the sign package along with leases were noted and Tony was APPEARANCE COMMISSION Jan. 25, 1979 - Page Two Tony said he was to move in in Sept . but did not open until Dec . - The sign is already made . Ch. Hardt explained the problem that has existed in the past has been because tenants are not given the inAtructions and signs have been put up that do not comply. The various reasons for rejecting the sign were explained : 1) It goes beyond an identification sign (dba) with the addition of the words "Hair Design" 2) The Sign Package specifically stipulates the size and location of letters . Mr.. Neal explained their intreoretation was that the lettering should fit within the prescribed area - which their sign does. Tony said it would not be necessary to have an ekrensive sign if it will :not identify his business properly. He said he would agree to adding the words "Hair Design" to his business license. As this situation was discussed several factors were brought out by the Commissioners, such as Mr. Grate, of Fiashtric being at the meeting when the Sign Code was being worked out and it was he that selected the colors , letters, etc . and that all parties knew the intent of the agreement. Little Italian Pizza was the model. Commissioner Knaak made a motion as follows : I move we .do not approve the sign presented by TONY OF ITALY. That he should return with another sign that meets the Code and Sign Package . Motion was seconded by Com . Kirby. Before a vote was taken, the possiblity of getting all the letters on one line was discussed, but it did not appear that they would fit if the proper size letters were used . Some of ,the Commissioners believed it should be tried before deciding it would not work that way. Chairman Hardt asked for a Straw Poll to determine whether the Panel would consider a variation of letter size: Vote as follows : Knaak - No Holland-Yes Kirby - No Hardt - Maybe • Then Ch. Hardt asked if any variation would be considered if another sign was designed; a Straw Poll was taken again Vote as follows : Holland - Yes Kirby - No Knaak - No - because of the work the Commission put in with Mr. Conrardy to defelor a Sign Package that was agreeable with every one . Since the members present basically asked that Tony comply with -the Uniform Sign Package that was developed to make the Center ' look a certain way, Ch. Hardt stated the Commission would stand -upon the agreement that was made with Mr. Conrardy. Appearance Commission January 25, 1979 Page Three • . f. • • Tony asked about the White Hen Pantry because it has two lines and Com . Kirby explained that they came in before the sign package was approved and it is an exception. Chairman Hardt called for a vote on the motion to reject the sign: Holland - Aye Knaak - Aye Kirby - Aye Hardt - No Motion Passed 3 to 1. Mr. Neal asked what they can do to meet the sign package. Chairman Hardt told them it was possible to come up with a different way of describing Tony of Italy with a shorter description; also since their sign was rejected they can appeal to the Village Board . d) ROGUES, Men' s Store. Vic Laska . - north Shore Sign Co. Mr. Janoso and Ira Mizell A variance to the sign package is requested so that the words Men' s Store could be in different letters than Rogues because they would be able to use some of . the letters from the former business (Sewing Basket) and therefore save money. Ch. Hardt read the Sign Package requiring 18" high Helvitica letters and a 2 ft . space from the lease line . The Sign Package is dated 1975 and the sign reauested meets the requirements of the Sign Code not to exceed 2/3 of the facia . Asked where the disconnects would be? Mr. Laska said there would be two disconnects one to the right of Rogues . and one to the right of Store ; and they would be painted out to match the facia. Com. - Knaak made a motion to accept the signras presented fdrrjRogues Men' s Store with the stipulation that the two disconnects as they appear on the drawing be painted out to match the facia color. The variance of the Words Men' s Store letter style is approved. The sign meets the Sign Package as to color and dimensions . Com. Kirby seconded the -motion. • Roll Call Vote was Aye unanimously. f) DEARBORN DEVELOPMENT CORP. Hidden Lake - Johnston Associates, Architects Sonny La Brant - Dearborn Dev. Co . Walter Casrers - Project Engineer for Capp Assoc . Phil Cook - Dearborn Dev. Co. R. B. Johnston; Johnston Associates Mr. Cruz - Landscape Architect Also present was Bart Delaney from the Building Dept. who works with the Planning Commission. In the past PUD zoning Mhich provides for an increase in density based upon percentago points relating to parking and landscaping etc . has been handled by the Plan Com. and the Village Board . The Appearance Commission will January 25, 1979 - Page Four • review the proposals as per Zoning Ordinance, Pages 45 7 35 The usual density is 6 units per acre - PUD can allow 7 units per acre. The Ar.rearance will address all 7 srPas, however the developer does not have to provide everything listed . The percentage points must total 17% for approval The proposal is attached and each point was thoroughly discussed by the Commissioners present . A straw poll preceded each motion to determine the percentage points to be allowed, as follows : 1. Fire Station site - 1 acre - 1% incentive increase The location will be Busch and Future Buffalo Grove Roads . To clarify the responsibility of the Appearance Commission, Chairman Hardt explained that a report will be given to the Plan Commission and the Village Board who would like a record of' whether or not the AC agrees with the percentage increases . If the percentage is enough, they can increase the density - and the key factor is landscaping. Com. Kirby moved to recommend 1% increase . Com. Holland seconded the motion. Vote - Aye Unanimously 2. Parking Spaces 299 required, 404 shown on proposed site plan - request 5% incentive increase Plan calls for 8 units with 1 enclosed parking "space and 1 space on the apron Plan calls for 6 units with 2 enclosed parking spaces and 2 spaces on the apron. Also parking is provided in the center turn arounds and along the roads leading into the center, called collector roads. All spaces are not counted in the 404 total, therefore there is an excess of the re- quirements . Com. Kirby moved to recommend 5% increase Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Vote - Aye Unanimously. It was noted that no RV's are allowed and will be enforced by the restricted covenants by Homeowners. 3. Landscape Buffer Strip 3% incentive increase Mr. Cruz presented the plan to provide adeauate screening and privacy landscaping with a natural look. Plans are in a conceptual stage . Com. Kirby moved to recommend 3% increase Com. Knaak seconded the moti-n Vote Aye Unanimously. APPEARANCE COMMISSION January 25, 1979 - Page Five 4. Amount of Landscaping - 3% maximum The Green Belt , Total landscape area , Detention Bike Path, and Lake area will be treated to accomodate all needs . Trees that can be saved will be left . Birms will not be used but the land will be contoured . The Club House area will have canopy of trees, ground cover. • Ch. Hardt asked for a straw poll to determine the percentage to be recommended: 2% - Knaak, Holland and Hardt . 3% - Kirby. Ch.$ardt asked for a motion to grant a 2% incentive: . Motion made by Com. Knaak and seconded by Com. Holland . Vote - Aye Unanimously. 5. Swimming Pool - one pool for 5% density incentive . Will meet state requirements . Motion to recommend 5% incentive was made by Com. Holland and seconded by Com . Kirby Vote Aye Unanimously. 6. Lakes and water features - 3% maximum The lake area was described and the reconstruction planned was explained . The lake will be nreented. to the Park District when the project is complete . The Park District has the option to refuse, in which case the Homeowners must maintain area. Com. Knaak expressed concern that the lakes might be dry if a dry summer season is had ; and the area would dry up. It was contended that the lakes made in 1930 have always held water and are being designed as a retention overflow. Ch. Hardt asked for a straw poll to determine the percentage to be recommended : :3$ - Kirby; 3% - Holland ; 2% - Knaak; 3% - Hardt Com . Kirby made a motion to recommend a 3% increase . Com. Holland seconded the motion. Vote - Aye : Holland, Kirby and Hardt . Opposed : Knaak because it could look like a dried up swamp in a dry season 7. Pedestrian facilities; plazas , trails , bike paths , sidewalks , benches, etc . - 3% possible incentive . Tentative plans are for an exercise area for *.,alking, jogging, etc . A better Tot lot. Park benches . All of which will be deeded to the Park District . It was noted sidewalks are on collector streets only. Ch. Hardt asked for a Straw Poll to determine the percentage points to be recommended . There was a concern that children would heed sidewalks to travel to school. APPEARANCE COMMISSION January 25, 1979 - Page Six The straw poll was as follows : 0$ - Knaak (need sidewalks) 2% - Holland , Kirby and Hardt Com. Holland made a motion to recommend 2%incentive Com. Kirby seconded the motion. Vote was - Aye - Kirby, Holland and Hardt Opposed - Knaak The developer was conplimented on the presentation. g) ARLINGTON GOLF CONDOMINIUMS - Ed Holzrichter On January 8, 1979 Mr. Holzrichter came-to the Village Board meeting and informed them that Bernard Katz. and Co. had an option to purchase the Condominiums provided some minor'-changes in architecture could be approved. Mr. Gerald Tenor represented B. Katz & Co. Mr. Rabin, architect presented the proposal. The Village Board has approved the change but the Appearance Commission' s approval is needed and -the contract expires on Jan. 26, 1979 (tomorrow at noon) Mr. Rabin explained that the interiors have been altered but the site layout is basically the same. The parking has been modified in that 2 inside spaces have been moved outside . The new buyer feels the building was too far below grade level and has raised it two feet ; which will make if 45 ft high: The architectural 'changes discussed included: a) balcony to be concrete poured over a metal edge b) railings - either the same with cedar rail or steel tube c) same brick d) asphalt shingles, Class A shake type instead of Cedar shakes on mansard because cedar shakes are not BOCA approved . The Commissioners agreed that they would prefer to see the build- ing materials as well as comclete plans . Because of the hour, 11:30 P.M . and the fact that no plans were presented earlier the general consensus was to table the approval until proper time can be given to the study of the porposal . There was a problem if approval is not given because of the expir- ation of the contract . They felt the major change would be the birms and the developer is willing to meet the AC wishes . Com. Knaak stated that the Commission had worked from 6 yo 8 hours to approve the project the first time and he was not prepared to stay long enough to properly review the whole revised plan. APPEARANCE COMMISSION January 25, 1979 - Page Seven • Com. Kirby also preferred to table until revised architectural plans are presented . The changes are too drastic to review hastily. Ch. Hardt asked for poll to see if all the Commissioners agre.ed ' they wanted to see revised clans including landscaping. The vote was to see all the plans at a later date . Ch. Hardt asked for a poll to determine f6r" the option Jan. 26, 1979 - Based on your initial look at the architectural design do you see any major changes that would be required. • Straw Poll : Knaak - Yes Holland - Is seeing it for the first time • so it is a difficult decision. Mr. i,atz asked if they could give aprroval on a contingent basis that the landscape plan is subject to the AppearaneeComm iss l on' s approval. He said if the architectural concept will not be approved they want to know tonight so they can stop all planning. Straw Poll continued : All Commissioners wanted to see revised plans . Ch. Hardt said the decision was to look at the plans as a separate entity and will table the project because of lack of time to consider the whole package . Mr. Katz asked: "Based on the discussion thus far, can they be reassured that we can come to a mutual agreement?" A straw poll on this question was Aye- Unanimously. Motion to table was made by Com. Kirby and seconded by Com. Holland . Vote - Aye - Unanimously. 7 . The meeting was adjourned at 12: 10 A.B. by mutual agreement . • Respectfully submitted, Shirley • -01S-cL•1/.. Bate Secretary Y Appearance Com"+iss ion 1 1 sb APPEARANCE COMMISSION . January 25, 1979 - Page Eiit • áhflStOflSS®Ct©s ARCHITECTS 0 PLANNERS January 12, 1979 TO: Village of Buffalo Grove/Appearance Commission 50 Raupp Blvd . _ Buffalo Grove, Illinois RE: Dearborn Development Corp. • "Hidden Lake" - Project Dear Members of the Commission: On Thursday, January 25, 1979, Dearborn Development Corp. is scheduled to discuss before the Appearance Commission a request for a density incentive increase as provided for in the R.U. D. guidelines of the Village of Buffalo Grove. The proposed Hidden Lake Development, located at the south- east corner of Busch Road and future Buffalo Grove Road, contains 352 housing units on 50. 32 acres at a gross site density of 7. 0 D. U. ' s/Acre. The Master Plan of the Village of Buffalo Grove designates the subject property as a PD-6 Development which allows for a gross site density of 6 dwelling units per acre or 302 units on 50. 32 acres . The requested density increase is for 7 D.U. ' s/ Acres. (a density incentive increase of 16. 56% or 50 units more than the 302 allowed ) According to the P. U. D. guidelines of the Village of Buffalo Grove a PD-6 zoning classification falls within the PD-4 to PD-7 zoning guidelines. Contained in the Pd-4 to PD-7 zoning guidelines are the following described density incentives which may apply to the proposed development. • 1 . 1 % for public building site - 1 % per acre not to exceed 5%. (a 1 acre fire station site is being provided for in the northwest corner of the subject property for a 1 % density incentive increase ) . 2. 5% - Provision of50% of all required parking to be enclosed : Required Parking = 1 . 7 spaces per D.U. = 1 . 7 x 352 = 2 = 299 spaces to be enclosed. 404 spaces as shown on the proposed site plan to be enclosed for a density incentive increase of 5%. 3. 1 % Landscape buffer strip - 1 % for each 10 ft. in width (including setback requirement) not to exceed 3% on all peripheral lot lines with a less restricted use. With exception of building f30 all buildings are setback from property line 30 ft. or greater. 3% incentive credit possible. 11410iHIGGIN8 ROAOO PARK'RIDGE OILLINOIBQBOOlSj 3. 2 1398-3770 Village of Buffalo Grove/ Appearance Commission Members Page 2. _ January 12 , lg7g • 4. Excellence in quality and amount of landscaping - 3% maximum (to be determined by Commission) . 5. Swimming pool - 5% for each pool not to exceed 10%. 1 swimming pool provided for - 5% density incentive. 6. Lakes + water features - 3% maximum. The lakes contained on :' the site plan to be dedicated to Park District with cash contribution per unit for future maintanence - 3% credit `' applicable. 7. Provision for pedestrian facilities - such as plazas , trails , bicycle trails , interior sidewalks , benches , etc . - 3% maximum. Site plan reflects north-south + east-west bike path development - 3% incentive possible. Based on the above described incentives , items 1 ; 2 ; 5; & 7 are physical provisions being provided for on the proposed development. The total incentives of the above items is 17%. In addition , the remaining items may be determined as density credit for an additional density incentive increase of 6% for a total of 23%. Items 3 & 4 not withstanding, according to the incentive formula and the items above described as provided for on the proposed site plan a 16. 56% density incentive is being requested and at least 17% density in- centive increase appears to be warranted. Jon Nelson JOHNSTON ASSOCIATES 417Y) Nx-6-" . 1 JF