1993-02-25 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE , ILLINOIS
THURSDAY , FEBRUARY 25 , 1993
I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Eddie Larsen called the meeting to order at 7 : 35 P . M . on
Thursday . February 25 , 1993 at the Village Hall , 50 Raupp Boulevard .
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present : R. Lundine , M. Cea and E . Larsen QUORUM .
F . Weissman arrived at 7 : 45 P. M .
Commissioners Absent : R. Gordon , A. Viehman and S . Trilling
Bldg . Dept . Liaison: Edward Schar , Deputy Building Commissioner
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Postponed until after Business .
IV . BUSINESS
A . Fahey Medical Center - 55 East Dundee Road
Ground Sign Lighting and Building Lighting
Mr . Tom Schiro , Adlite Electric Co . , 1365 Golf Road ,
Des Plaines , IL 60016 (296-2333 ) submitted photometric
details and described the proposed lights :
1 . Two 175 watt metal halide ground lights will be installed to
illuminate the new ground sign that was approved in January .
One light will be installed on. each side of the sign. They will
be a distance of six feet (6 ' ) from the sign. The average
footcandies will be 51 . 1 . The fixtures will have visors that
will completely shield the light from shining into Dundee Road
traffic .
2 . Three 250 watt metal halide ground lights will be installed
to light up the front of the building . They will be approxi-
mately sixteen feet ( 16 ' ) apart and about twelve feet ( 12 ' ) from
the building . The average footcandies would be 19 . 0 and the
lights will not be directed toward Dundee Road .
Ch. Larsen said the lights would be accepted subject to the
approval of the Village Engineer regarding traffic .
Com . Lundine made a motion to recommend approval of the lighting
as submitted for the Fahey Medical Center Ground Sign and
Building with the stipulation that the (sign) fixtures are to be
shielded to ensure that light is not projected into the traffic .
Com. Cea seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Lundine , Cea and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0 .
Com . Weissman arrived at 7 : 45 P . M .
B. Don' s Dock - 205 West Dundee Road at Dunell Center
Addition to existing ground sign (White Hen Pantry)
Presentation was made by Mr . Andrew Johnson. President of Don ' s
Dock (459-1817 ) . He said that the managers of Duneil Center
have approved his request for a 5 ' x 5 ' illuminated sign face to
be installed in the existing panel under the White Hen Pantry
ground sign located at the east end of the parking lot . The
lease includes the use of the sign and it is necessary because
many customers drive by looking for Don ' s Dock but cannot find
the location .
Mr . Johnson said the panel was originally used for the Child
Care Center that was located to the rear of the property . When
Brian Properties took over management . they used the panel but
it has been covered with white plastic for several months .
Ch . Larsen said the sign would be considered a tenant panel and
because it is existing , no variance would be necessary .
Mr . Schar agreed with this interpretation .
Com . Cea made a motion to recommend approval of the tenant
panel as submitted for Don ' s Dock at 205 W . Dundee Road to
be installed under the existing White Hen Pantry ground sign.
Com . Lundine seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Weissman , Lundine , Cea and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 4 to 0 .
C . Condeil Medical Building - 150 Half Day Road
Building Lighting , New Ground Sign and Directional Signs
Recommendation to ZBA for variance forgro-und sign .
Mr . Victor Laska , North Shore Sign, 1925 Industrial Drive ,
Libertyville , IL 60048 (816-7020) made the presentation .
Ms . Sue Skjordahl . Director of Outreach for Condeli Medical
Center and Ms . Pamela Austin , V. P . of Outreach were also
present . (215-0000)
Mr . Laska requested a larger ground sign in front of the build-
ing to replace the existing ground sign ; a total of four (4 ' )
directional signs and lights for the front of the building .
People have had problems finding the entrance into the site and
the situation is dangerous , considering the 24 hour emergency
service that is offered . The Village has supported their need
for a larger sign located closer to Half Day Road and lighting
on the building . It is also important to have good directional
signs , including some off-premise signs .
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I . New Ground S iri - #2 on Half Day Road
The sign would be 10 ' wide x 19 ' 6" in height and would be
located 10 ' forward of the existing sign . it would be 53 feet
from the back of the curb and about 10 feet from the property
line . It was undetermined whether there are any utility lines
in the proposed area .
The colors would be PMS 6A red , white and PMS 74A blue for
better visibility . The sign will be internally illuminated .
The frontage of the property is approximately 350 feet and would
qualify for an 80 square foot sign. The proposed sign is almost
120 square feet requiring variances for size and setback in
comparison to the height .
The copy was discussed . Ch. Larsen suggested reducing the total
square footage of the copy by moving the directional portion up ,
using a single line and adding another reveal . The lower portion
would then be considered a pedestal and would not count in the
measurement .
The directional portion was discussed . The sign will be double-
faced and the directions should be worded appropriately . The
Commissioners agreed the proposed two lines reading ENTER - TURN
LEFT 400 FT. should be simplified . The interior road at the
rear of the Fire Station will be opened so , coming from the
west , going east , the sign could read - TURN LEFT ON EASTON
AVENUE or NEXT LEFT with an arrow <- , and coming from the east ,
going west , the sign could read - NEXT RIGHT with an Arrow -> .
Another suggestion was an arrow with the distance to the turn .
Com . Lundine made a motion to recommend to the Zoning Board of
Appeals and the Village Board of Trustees that Condell Medical
Center be granted a variance regarding setback requirements to
permit the proposed ground sign , with modification of the copy
as discussed ; and variance to permit the size of the sign to
exceed 80 square feet , as measured above the lowest reveal .
Com . Cea seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Weissman, Cea , Lundine and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 4 to 0 .
Zoning Board of Appeals Public Hearing will be March 16 , 1993 .
The Village Board of Trustees meeting will be April 5 . 1993 .
2 . Directional Signs
Four (4) directional signs were requested . They are 4 feet in
width and 5 feet in height . Sign #1 would be located on Zaie
property at the intersection of Willow Parkway and would replace
the existing directional sign . Zale would not be opposed to
permitting the sign, but subsequent property owners could be .
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Sign 3e would be at the rear of the Condell site and would also
be permitted .
Com . Cea made a motion to recommend approval of directional
signs #1 and 3c as submitted by Condell Medical Center .
Com . Weissman seconded the motion .
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Weissman . Cea , Lundine and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 4 to 0 .
Signs 3a and 3b would be located on the east side of Easton Ave .
and appear to be in the right-of-way . Mr . Schar said the
Village is willing to work with Condell and permit smaller signs
to be located in the right-of-way . Mr . Laska said Condell would
agree to reduce the size from 4 ' x 5 ' to approximately 30"x 30' .
Sign 3a is necessary to direct people , who missed the driveway
into the site from Willow Parkway , to turn on Easton. Avenue
(past the Fire Station) , go north to the rear and Sign 3b
directs them to turn west .
The need for Sign 3a to be double-faced was discussed . There
are trees and shrubs close to the corner so it is doubtful if
the sign would be seen by traffic coming from the east , but
Sign #1 would direct them to turn on Willow Parkway . The corner
is very dark and Mr . Laska said they would like to light the
signs if there is any way to get electricity to them . They are
also going to attempt to illuminate sign # 1 .
The property east of Easton Avenue is unincorporated and its
owners are unknown , but Condell could try to contact them and
seek approval for the signs . The corner could possibly be
cleared of the some of the shrubs .
Mr . Schar said the Village Engineer ' s opinion was that if the
signs were placed away from the right-of-way , they could be
blocked by the trees and would be useless . Off-premise signs
are regulated by Sign Code , Section 14 . 20 . 080 which states
that they must be reviewed by the AC every six months for
renewal .
Everyone agreed good directional information is very important
to people who are under stress and trying to locate the
treatment center . The Appearance Commission is not opposed to
the aesthetics or placement of the signs , but liability must
to be considered if the Village permits a sign that is not IDOT
approved . The Village can legally put up directional signs on
steel posts for Condell if the size is decreased .
Ch. Larsen strongly advised Mr . Laska and the Condell repre-
sentatives to pursue contacting of the adjoining landowner to
secure permission to clear and use the property for the signs .
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3 . Bu1idin Lights
Mr . Laska described the proposed lighting . The fixtures will
have 250 watt metal halide lamps . They will be set back about
20 feet and aimed low to accent the building . A cut sheet was
submitted and the spacing is shown on the site plan .
Com . Weissman made a motion to recommend approval of the
ground lights as submitted by Condeli Medical Center .
Com . Lundine seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Lundine . Cea , Weissman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 4 to 0 .
V . ANNOUNCEMENTS
1 . January 14 . 1993 Minutes : Motion to approved as submitted was
made by Com. Lundine and seconded by Com . Weissman .
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Weissman , Lundine and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Cea
Motion Passed - 3 to 0 , 1 abstention .
2 . No date has been set for the Orientation Workshop .
3 . Commissioners will be informed when construction begins on the
Village Hall and AC meetings are moved to The Alcott Center .
4 . Patrick ' s Carpets , 400 W . Dundee Road has the windows almost
covered with signs .
VI . ADJOURNMENT
Com . Lundine made a motion to adjourn.
Ch. Larsen adjourned the meeting at 8 : 23 P . M .
Respectfully submitted
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Shirley Bates
Recording Secretary
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