1990-07-26 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY - JULY 26 , 1990
I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Ed Larsen called the meeting to order at 7 : 35 . P.M. on
Thursday, July 26 , 1990 at the Village Hall , 50 Raupp Boulevard.
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present : E. Bremner , C. Bruno , R. Gordon,
F. Weissman, A. Viehman (appointed 7/16)
and E. Larsen QUORUM.
Commissioners Absent : D. Ehrhardt
Village Board Liaison: Bruce Kahn, Trustee
Bldg . Dept . Liaison: Charles Matt
Deputy Bldg. Commissioner
Also present : Ed Schar , Bldg . and Zoning Inspector
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. June 14 , 1990:
Motion to approve as submitted made by Com. Gordon and
seconded by Com. Bremner .
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon, Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Bruno and Viehman
Minutes of June 14 , 1990 approved and will be placed on file.
B. June 28 , 1990:
Motion to approved as submitted made by Com. Weissman and
seconded by Com. Bruno.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Gordon, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Bremner , Weissman, Viehman
Minutes of June 28 , 1990 approved and will be placed on file.
IV. BUSINESS
A. Woodland Commons , Zale Group - Change of Color Scheme
Ray Skiera , Zale Group, 100 Lexington Drive , Suite 100,
Buffalo Grove , IL 60089-6931 (708) 537-9191 presented a color
board with the original White color scheme . He explained that
Dominick ' s has been become a major tenant . They have had
problems with White Brick . Acid bleeds through and it
discolors . Because of this , Dominick ' s has resolved not to
use White Brick at any other shopping center .
Mr . Skiera presented an alternate color scheme using Buff
Tones . The brick , drivit , and precast concrete around the
rear will be varying shades of tan. The trim (doors and
windows , etc) will maintain the white color . The aluminum
roof panels are cream color . Exact brick and colors were not
designated.
Woodland Commons features awnings but colors were not known.
Mr . Skiera agreed to bring in an awning sample when he returns
to present the Sign Criteria.
There were no objections .
Com. Weissman made a motion to recommend approval of the
Colors Changes for Woodland Commons as presented by The Zale
Group , with the exception of the awnings . Petitioner will
return with samples of the awning fabric and colors , for
approval , at a future AC meeting .
Com. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Weissman, Bruno, Gordon, Bremner ,
Viehman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0 .
Mr . Skiera agreed to provide the Building Department with a
material list of the approved colors .
B. Indeck at 1130 Lake/Cook Road - Wall Sign
John C. Johnson, C. Johnson Sign Co. 9615 Waveland Avenue ,
Franklin Park , IL 60131 (708) 678-2092 made the presentation.
Hamilton Partners , Inc. , Buffalo Grove Business Park ,
1130 Lake/Cook Road , Buffalo Grove , IL 60089 (708) 459-9225
per letter dated July 24, 1990 , have requested an identifica-
tion sign on the 1130 Lake/Cook Road building, next to the
numbers at the third floor level . This is a unique situation
as Indeck will be occupying most of the space in the building
and may ultimately be involved with an ownership interest in
this building.
Mr . Johnson described the proposed sign. The 36 inch letters
will be Gold to match the numerals , on the dark brown brick
building. The letters will be back-lighted.
Ch. Larsen informed Mr . Johnson that , if the drawing is to
scale , the 36 inch height may not meet the 50% limitation of
the Sign Code for wall signs . Height is measured from the top
of the windows to the top of the lintel .
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Ch. Larsen recommended that the letters have a polycarbonite
backing to prevent birds from nesting. Mr . Johnson agreed.
Mr . Matt said he has researched the signage for the Buffalo
Grove Business Park, A number of variances have been granted
for ground signs , with all indications that ground signs are
preferable for this type of development , which is zoned 0 & R
(Office and Research) , permitting one 32 sf . sign per parcel .
Ch. Larsen quoted from Sign Code, and in the I - Industrial
zoning district , signs of 3 sf . per lineal foot are permitted.
The proposed sign is 60 sq. ft . , and could not be permitted in
an 0 & R District .
Mr . Johnson commented that the 1130 building is setback so far
from Lake/Cook Road that a ground sign would never been seen.
Com. Gordon expressed concern that this might be setting a
precedent for future similar signage . Com. Bruno agreed .
Ch. Larsen said the AC can review the aesthetics of the sign
and recommend a variance for the sign. If a variance is not
approved , signage of 32 square feet could be approved. The
sign is attractive and would appear white , with a halo effect
at night .
Mr . Johnson said he would relay this information to Hamilton
Partners to determine if they want to pursue a variance , or
reduce the size to 32 square feet .
Com. Viehman made the following motion:
I move we recommend to the Zoning Board of Appeals
and the Village Board of Trustees , that a variance
be granted that would permit the signage as requested
by Hamilton Partners , for Indeck on the 1130 Lake/Cook
Road building at the Buffalo Grove Business Park.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
It was noted that a variance is recommended , based on the
demonstration of hardship, i . e. the building set back from
Lake/Cook Road; the dependability of the corporation; and
the quality of the signage. Should Indeck not stay in the
building, the variance would be terminated.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon, Bruno ,
Viehman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0 .
Mr . Johnson was informed that the variance could be heard
by the Zoning Board in September , and the application dead-
line is August 21 , 1990 .
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C. Buffalo Grove Montessori School - Wall Sign
No representative was present . The sign was reviewed after
the regular business was completed . See ANNOUNCEMENTS-Item B.
D. Lou Malnati ' s Pizzeria - Screened Porch
Addition of vinyl panels to enclose porch for winter use .
Marc Malnati , 6649 N. Lincoln Avenue , Lincolnwood , IL 60645
(708-673-0800) summarized his letter , dated July 9 , 1990 . It
explains that they have many occasions to use the screened
porch as a party facility. They would like to affix vinyl
panels (to match the roof awning) over the screened portion
and use the area all year around. The material would be
tightly snapped over the screened panels to enclose it for
patron use , and provide protection for the porch from the
weather . The material is Prismax - #1142 , Dark Green, which
is UL rated to meet fire requirement . It is opaque , but would
allow for some shadows to be seen.
Trustee Kahn questioned whether clear vinyl could be used?
Mr . Malnati responded that they were advised that the clear
vinyl would not weather well and would have to be replaced
often. The wood window frames are the rust color .
Mr . Matt informed the AC that the porch is located on a flood
plain and is approved for seasonal use only. It does not
comply with BOCA Codes as a permanent structure , and if the
`./ AC recommends approval of the vinyl panels , Malnati ' s would
still have to comply with the Building Department ' s interpre-
tation of the Code , as far as heating is concerned.
Mr . Malnati responded that there would be certain days when
they could not use the facility. Patrons are informed of the
possibility that the porch might be cold.
Last year the screens were temporarily protected with white
canvas . Ch. Larsen said the code would not prevent the area
to be boarded up and painted . It is a permit question.
Mr . Matt recalled that the Plan Commission, Village Board and
Appearance Commission approved porch as a temporary screened
in structure , to be used during warm weather . In order for
the area to be used as requested , there may have to be a
change in the wording "seasonal use. "
Ch. Larsen said the AC review is only for aesthetics , and
the vinyl panels will look better than what was used last
winter . Building Department approval is a different matter .
Shutters were discussed , but it was determined that there
would be no satisfactory way to attach them.
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Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the addition of Dark
Green, Prismax #1142 , vinyl covers over the windows of the
temporary structure , at Lou Malnati ' s Pizzeria on Buffalo
Grove Road , as submitted.
Com. Weissman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Viehman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
Ch. Larsen a recommended using a "boater ' s method" of
attaching the vinyl panels and Mr . Malnati agreed.
E. Lot 2 - 851 Checker Drive - School District 214
Construction of House as Building Trades Project
Presentation was made by Tim Haggarty, Building Trades
Instructor for School District 214 , c/o Prospect High Sch. ,
801 W. Kensington Rd. , Mt . Prospect , IL 60056 (255-9700) .
Mr . Haggarty said that the School District has purchased the
property and the house will be constructed by students . It
will be a one-year project . A fine student prepared rendering
of the house was presented and the materials were described:
a. Roof - Sierra, Timberline asphalt shingle that will
simulate wood shakes , Barnwood or Weatherwood
b. Redwood Siding - Olympic Semi-transparent stain #911
Note: Redwood Siding is being used because Cedar
Siding has some undesirable characteristics ,
such as knots falling out , and woodpeckers are
known to go after insects in the cedar .
c . Cedar (or Redwood) Trim Boards - Opaque Fawn
d. Brick on Front elevation - Standard size
• e . Windows - Thermo pane, with bronze tone frames and
removable muntins
Com. Weissman observed that the area over the garage is very
plain and suggested changing the peak vent to a circular vent .
Ch. Larsen recommended a 1/2 circle louvered vent , to match
the top of the bedroom window.
Mr . Haggarty agreed. The area is a storage attic.
Ch. Larsen observed that the height of the chimney stack
behind the garage must comply with Code. It must be 2 ft .
higher and 10 ft . away from the highest part of the building.
It is difficult to determine the distances from the drawing.
Mr . Haggarty and School District #214 were commended for the
\ - proposed project .
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Com. Gordon made a motion to recommend approval of the
elevations , materials and color selections for the School
District #214 Class Project , as submitted .
Com. Weissman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Viehman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0 .
F. Barclay Station - Trammell Crow Residential - Full Review
Architecture/Materials/Landscaping/Signage/Lighting
Presentation was made by Mark N. Tennison, J.D. Partner , and
Ken Poulsen, V.P. /Construction, Trammell Crow Residential ,
9450 W. Bryn Mawr Ave . , Suite 550 , Rosemont , IL 60018
(708) 671-2888 ; and Larry J. Peterman, APA - By Design Inc . ,
8600 W. Bryn Mawr Avenue , Chicago, IL 60631 (708) 714-0500.
Mr . Tennison described the site plan. Barclay Station will be
constructed on a portion of the Santucci property , located at
Milwaukee Avenue and Deerfield Road. The project is an 89
acre PUD, includes approximately 150 ,000 sf . of retail space,
3 outlots , a restaurant , office building and hotel , a 2 . 1 acre
site to be dedicated to the Village, 34 acres of detention/
retention lakes , and 352 units of multi-family housing.
Trammell Crow will be constructing the road , all the lakes ,
the fire station site and Barclay Station (apartments) .
A short movie was shown of a similar development , Ascot Glen
in Bloomingdale , using the same materials and colors . Being a
rental property, the high quality, long lasting materials will
keep its appearance for many years . The buildings are 3-story
and the property includes a club house/pool area , tot lot ,
volley ball court and an 8 foot bike path tied into the park
system. The masonary entrance signs are illuminated.
1 . ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS:
a. Brick - Holman, Cheyanne, T.C. Blend #1 , Oversize
3-1/2" x 11 " because the buildings are large
b. Siding - Grey Vinyl by Certainteed , weather-tight
c . Trim Boards - 4" x 6" Cedar
d. Roof - Dark Grey Composition Shingles , Class A
e . Windows - Insulated by Alenco , lights not divided ,
screens are vinyl (no rust)
f . Rails - Pre-finished Cedar
g. Decks/Posts - Pressure treated cedar
Trammell Crow retains ownership of its rental property and the
buildings will be maintained by the management office.
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There are 3-story buildings and some drop to 2-story on the
ends . The 1-car garages have steel overhead doors , pre-
finished baked enamel , with vinyl siding and cedar framework.
Inside the garages , 2-car bays are separated by 6 foot cyclone
fencing. Garages have keyed doors for emergency entrance .
The louvers that are seen on each unit , are magic pac
furnaces , with no flues . They are painted to match the siding
or brick background.
Ch. Larsen said he relates large , single color buildings to
army barracks .
Mr . Tennison responded that Trammell Crow prefers the
consistency of one color and the buildings have been staggered
to prevent the appearance of barracks .
The ground floor units are adaptable for the disabled , per the
Fair Housing Act . Stoops are level with the finished floors
and all bathrooms will accommodate wheel chairs , etc. Their
architects interpret the law and the units comply as much as
possible .
Com. Weissman made a motion to recommend approval the
Trammell Crow presentation of the Barclay Station Elevations ,
Materials and Color Selections as submitted.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Viehman, Gordon,
Weissman, Bremner and Larsen.
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0 .
2 . LANDSCAPING:
Mr . Peterman said the landscape plan has been developed for
off-site viewing (from the south and from Deerfield Road)
as well as on-site viewing. Trees and evergreens have been
supplemented with larger shrub materials . There are berms
around the detention pond and the abutting the single family
development to the south. Existing trees are being used to
off-set the berms . Emergency access area are in compliance.
The Village Forester ' s Review, dated July 19 , 1990, states :
"Overall , the landscape plan is acceptable . . . .with certain
exceptions . "
Mr . Peterman agreed to meet Mr . Rigsby' s requirements and will
provide identification of " 16 BACT" not listed in the legend.
The plant material is large scale consistent with the size of
the buildings . Smaller scale plantings will be concentrated
around the clubhouse/pool area and around the entrance signs .
Balcony plantings are permitted.
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Com. Gordon made a motion to recommend approval of the Land-
scape Plan as submitted for Barclay Station, subject to the
petitioner ' s compliance with the Village Forester ' s Review.
Com. Viehman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote : AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Bruno , Viehman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0 .
3 . SIGNAGE:
Signage was described at 3 locations on Deerfield Road.
One on each side of the main entrance and one to the south.
Barclay Blvd. will be a dedicated street , so one sign will
require a variance . The third sign complies with the Sign
Code frontage requirements .
The monuments will be matching brick with accent
brick and stone caps . Colors per the submitted diagram.
Com. Weissman made a motion to recommend approval of two
Barclay Station monument signs , as submitted , for the west
sides of the entry ways , with the further recommendation to
the Zoning Board of Appeals and Village Board for a variance
for a third monument sign on the southeast corner of the
intersection at Barclay Boulevard and Deerfield Road .
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Bruno , Viehman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
4 . LIGHTING:
Three types of lighting fixtures were depicted on the site
plan:
a. 20 foot bronze pole lights with 250 watt HPS
bulbs for the parking areas . Concrete bases will
be 6" above grade, do the height will be 20'6" .
The lights will have lens covers so lights will
not shine into units , or disturb neighboring
residential property.
b. Wall sconce lights with 70 watt HPS bulbs for
the garages
c. 12 foot bronze pole lights with 100 watt HPS
bulbs at the entrance on Barclay Boulevard
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There will also be exterior building entrance lighting with
bronze finish, that will compliment the type and style of the
buildings . The entrance lights will probably be rectangular
`./ and they will light building address numbers . Balcony lights
are small 7 inch globes on black fixtures , individually
operated by each unit .
The Village Engineer has been consulted , and a photometric
review has been submitted , but no report was available.
Com. Gordon asked if the bike path and tot lot would have
light? None are proposed.
Com. Bruno said she would like to see the building lighting.
Mr . Tennison agreed to submit cut sheets , with choices for
AC approval .
Com. Weissman made a motion to recommend approval of the
Lighting as submitted for Barclay Station, subject to the
Village Engineer ' s photometric review, and the stipulation
that the petitioner provide cut sheets of building lights .
Com. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Bruno, Viehman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
There will be model units , but no model area.
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS
A. Cambridge Plaza West - Sign Criteria Modification
Mr . Lenchner has requested the color of the lettering on the
wall signs be changed from Dark Bronze to Red.
Com. Viehman so moved and Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Viehman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
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B. Buffalo Grove Montessori School - 590 Ellen Drive
Representatives were not present , but the diagram was reviewed
per the letter , dated June 28 , 1990, written by Chas . Breit of
The Signery, 1201 B. Elmhurst Road , Prospect Hts . , IL 60070
(541-6654) .
Non-illuminated plastic letters to be installed over the door .
There was a question about zoning, but it was determined that
the property is located in the B-1 District and is permitted.
The apartments to the south on Ellen Drive are in Wheeling.
Com. Viehman made a motion to approve the sign for the
Buffalo Grove Montessori School as submitted.
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner , Weissman, Gordon,
Viehman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
Mr . Matt announced that no business has been submitted for
the August 9th AC meeting.
Ch. Larsen welcomed Al Viehman to the AC and said there will
`.� be an introductory session with the Bldg. Dept . in Sept .
Ch. Larsen invited the AC Commissioners to attend a Seminar
conducted by the National Electric Sign Assn. on August 16th,
from 1 :00 PM to 4 : 30 PM at the Hyatt Regency in Chicago.
The topic will be sign ordinances and there will be a trade
show in the evening featuring new signage in the evening .
Contact Ch. Larsen to make reservations before August 1st .
VI . ADJOURNMENT
Com. Bruno made a motion to adjourn.
Ch. Larsen adjourned the meeting at 9: 35 P.M.
Respectfully submitted ,1uaati_w
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Shirley Bates ,
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