1983-08-11 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL
THURS. , AUG. 11 , 1983
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M. at the Village
Hall on Thursday, August 11 , 1983.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: Bud Gibbs, Kathy Krippes, Ed Larsen, Louise Koclanis,
Douglas Wehring and Don Hardt. QUORUM
Commissioners Absent: Carmelo Cea
Building Department: Ray Henning, Housing and Zoning Inspector
Village Board Liaison: Gary Glover, Trustee
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
July 28, 1983 - Com. Gibbs made a motion to approve the minutes as presented.
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. It was noted that the phrase
"at Striker last week" should be striken from the first sent-
ence on page 4.
Roll Call Vote: Aye - Gibbs, Krippes, Larsen and Hardt
Nay - None
Abstain - Koclanis and Wehring (New Commissioners)
The July 28, 1983 minutes were approved and will be placed on file.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. 450 Thorndale - Mr. Dean Morgan's request for revision of the Annexation
Agreement to allow fencing on Pauline Avenue.
Mr. Morgan withdrew his request because his neighbors are not agreeable to
fencing their property at this time.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. True Value Hardware - Change of Face on Pylon Sign
Mr. George Zimmerman presented photographs of the pylon sign. He explained
that in April 1983, one of the faces that read "HARDWARE" was damaged by
vandalism. When it was replaced, Mr. Zimmerman did not realize that he
would need approval from the AC before changing the panel to read "TRU TEST
PAINT" which is the generic brand that is made by the company. The new
sign is the same size, same color and same letter style. Tru Test Paint
is a part of the business and is part of the company logo. Mr. Zimmerman
presented copies of the advertisments that appear in the papers showing the
name True Value Hardware Store, as well as Tru Test Paint. Both terms are
considered to be synonymous with True Value, although the DBA is True
Value Hardware, Incorporated. Mr. Zimmerman said that most people know that
they carry Hardware, but not all customers know they have a very good line
of paint. Other True Value stores carry more than one line of paint, but he
does not.
The lettering on the new sign appears to be a different stroke, but there are
more letters in Tru Test Paint than Hardware. The same company - Richard
A. Nellis Company - did the sign.
Com. Larsen made the following motion:
I move we approve the sign face change as already
effected by Mr. Zimmerman, not fully understanding
the Code Requirements of the Village, to read as
shown now - TRU TEST PAINT - in the lower portion
of the identification sign.
Com. Krippes seconded the motion.
Ch. Hardt asked Mr. Zimmerman if he considers the word Hardware to be a descrip-
tive adjective of his business as opposed to an identification of his business?
His advertising copy all says "Zimmerman's True Value - - Hardware" Would
Zimmerman's True Value identify the business sufficiently? Is the word "Hard-
ware a form of advertising, or is it part of the business name; and how does
the word Paint fit into the business name? Is it advertising?
Mr. Zimmerman said he felt that True Value carries the image of the Hardware
Industry. He is now negotiating with another village for a second store and
they knew immediately what business he is in. Initially, more signage was re-
quested when the store was opened seven years ago, but at that time reader
boards were not being approved, and he agreed to lesser signage which did not
include the paint, etc.
Ch. Hardt pointed out that actually Hardware or Tru Test Paint is sort of an
"add on" because in general people know that True Value stands for Hardware
and Paint.
Motion: Roll Call Vote - Aye - Gibbs
Larsen
Nay - Krippes
Koclanis
Wehring
Hardt
Motion Denied - 4 to 2.
Com. Krippes said the reason for her vote was because the term Hardware is
generic, but Tru Test Paint is advertising. She based her decision on the
Sign Code requirement that signs carry "Name and Nature" of businesses.
Com. Larsen noted that Sears sign reads Paint and Hardware. He questioned
the justification of denying a sign on this basis. Sears name is actually
Sears, Roebuck and Co. Sears Paint is made by Sears.
Ch. Hardt explained the options Mr. Zimmerman has to change the sign back to
Hardware, or appeal to the Village Board. The Board considers hardship and
other factors when making decisions.
1'1r. Zimmerman said he would appeal . APPEARANCE COMMISSION
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B. Commerce Center - Art and Son, Sign Company
Mr. Arthur Holland presented signage for the Commerce Center that gives
the name and telephone number of the company that will be handling the
Sales and Leasing of the sites. There are signs on the lots now that are
Blue and White; but do not identify Frain, Camins and Swartchild, the
company that will handle new development of the center. There is one
sign at the main entry to the project that is 10' x 12' and others that are
2' x 3' and 4' x 8' - - these will all be changed to maroon #505 and white.
When Phase 2 is started, additional signs will be added to each lot. They
will all be temporary signs.
Com. Koclanis made the following motion:
I move we approve the sign changes
at the Commerce Center as requested
by Art and Son Signs, Inc.
Com. Wehring seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Gibbs
Larsen
Wehring
Koclanis
Hardt
Motion Passed 6 to 0. Nay - None
C. Commerce Center - Diamond Signs
Mr. Jack Metzger presented a Site Plan of the Commerce Center and
requested that temporary signs be approved for each lot already being upon
upon that would identify the coming business. They would replace the
existing signs that are on the lots and would be left up until the build-
ings are up and occupied. Seven different signs were requested as per a
list that accompanied the site plan for Lots 6, 8, 13, 14, 16, 19, and
37. The signs would read i .e. "Future Home of WES-TECH, INC." etc.
There were no questions or objections from the Commissioners except to
stress the fact that the signs were temporary and would not be left up
after the business sites are occupied. The AC felt the signs would help
sell other property. These lots are not usually sold as investments, and
therefore signs will not be put up for long periods of time. It was noted
that temporary signs are permitted for one year. Owners have to apply for
an extension after that time.
Com. Larsen made the following motion:
I move we approve the 2' x 4' single face,
wooden painted signs - colors blue on white
with white posts - denoting "Future Home of . . . "
whatever facility is to be placed on that
industrial lot at the Buffalo Grove Commerce
Center.
Signs to be covered under the provisions of
"Temporary Signage" with 1 year permits sub-
ject to renewal by the Administrator.
Any future businesses may be granted a
similiar sign to replace the "For Lease or (cont'd)
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Commerce Center sign motion cont'd:
For Sale signs, and:
That these signs shall be be removed upon
the granting of the pemanent occupancy permit
by the Building Department.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Gibbs
Larsen
Koclanis
Wehring
Hardt
Motion Passed 6 to 0. Nay - None
D. Levitt - Serendipity Model Sign
Mr. Jack Metzger of Diamond Signs presented two model home signs
for the Serendipity models: Ashford and Brittany.
The Signs will be 11 " x 30" - Redwood stained PMS - #153 for the
background and posts. And the border and letters will be PMS - #281 .
The colors are Brown with the same Blue as the Entrance Sign.
Signs will be in front of each model . Landscaping and lighting has
been approved.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
L I move we approve the model signs for the
Serendipity Model area as presented by
Levitt Homes. Size to be 11 " x 30" and
Colors as specified - PMS 153 and 281 ;
Location as shown on the site plan.
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Gibbs
Larsen
Koclanis
Wehring
Hardt
Motion Passed 6 to 0. Nay - None
VI. ANNOUNCEMENTS
May 26, 1983 - addition to minutes. Motion made by Com. Gibbs and
seconded by Com. Krippes to approve the addition as presented.
*Roll Call Vote: Aye - Larsen
Krippes
Hardt
Nay - None
Abstain - Gibbs
May 26, 1983 addition approved and will be placed on file.
June 23, 1983 - Motion to approve minutes as presented was made by
Com. Krippes and seconded by Com. Gibbs.
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*Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Larsen
Nay - None
Abstain - Gibbs
Hardt
Minutes of June 23, 1983 were approved and will be placed on file.
*The Roll Call for the two preceding motions did not include Commissioners
Koclanis and Wehring because they were appointed on August 1 , 1983.
Chairman Hardt welcomed Louise Coclanis and Douglas Wehring to the Appearance
Commission and introduced them to those present.
A time for a Workshop to discuss the changes to the Sign Code is needed.
It was decided that if the Agenda for the first September meeting (8th) is
not too long, a workshop will be tentatively scheduled.
Respectfully submitted,
,/
Shirley Bate's, Secretary
Appearance Commission
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