1982-10-28 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILL.
THURS. , OCT. 28, 1982
I. CALL TO ORDER
In the absence of Chairman Don Hardt, the meeting was called to order by
Com. Ed Larsen at 7:37 P.M.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: C. Cea, C. Zusel , K. Krippes and E. Larsen. QUORUM
Commissioners Absent: L. Gibbs and D. Hardt.
Bldg. Dept. - Mr. Dominic J. Saviano, Deputy Bldg. Commissioner
Trustee Liaison - Mr. Charles Gerschefske
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Oct. 14, 1982 - Minutes were postponed until later in the meeting.
IV. BUSINESS
A. Steepleview - Representatives not present, postponed until later.
B. Northwest Community Hospital (Ground sign face changes).
Mr. John H. Doyle of Doyle Signs, Inc. presented the request for faces
of all the ground signs around the Northwest Community Hospital buildings.
He presented colored sketches and described the proposed signage.
All signs would be changed to read: Northwest Community Hospital ; Profes-
sional Building; Pharmacy, X-Ray, Lab; 24 Hour Emergency Care.
Colors would be the same as the existing signs with the bottom line Red
Letters on White Background strip.
Mr. Doyle explained the reason for identifying more services was to inform
the public that a Pharmacy, X-Ray and Lab are available. He felt that the
facility is unique to the vicinity and its services are not well known.
Valuable services are performed and when needed, residents should know
where to get the best possible care.
The copy was discussed. Com. Cea suggested that it would be read more
easily if the letters were not all capitols. He suggested mixing them
on the whole sign except for the bottom line "24 Hr. Emergency Care" -
Com. Larsen suggested reversing the colors of the bottom line to be White
Letters on a Red Background. He felt the sign would be read more easily.
Mr. Doyle agreed to make these changes.
Copy was discussed. The Commissioners felt that people would know X-Ray
services were available. The Pharmacy is not open 24 house per day.
Mr. Saviano said that he has spoken to NW Community people including
Mrs. Rech and they say people do not know they have X-Ray service. The
Pharmacy owner wanted his own sign for identification, but decided to
combine his service on this sign.
Com. Larsen said he could understand the need for 24 Hour Emergency Care,
but the services would be considered advertising. Since the Sign Code
does not allow advertising then X-Ray and Lab would be deleted, giving the
Pharmacy more identification. It could be all capitol Letters; Centered.
Mr. Doyle agreed. Com. Zusel made the following motion:
I move we approve the sign face changes
requested by Northwest Community Hospital ,
with the following stipulations:
1 . Northwest Community Hospital -
N - C - H to be Capitol letters;
the rest all lower case letters.
2. Professional Building - with the
P and B Capitol letters, rest to be
lower case.
3. PHARMACY - Centered, All Capitols.
4. 24 Hour EMERGENCY CARE - All Capitols.
Colors - White letters on Red background.
All signs to be identical ; sizes as presented.
Com. Cea seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye -Krippes
Zusel
Cea
Larsen
Nay - None
Motion Passed 4 to 0.
*A. Steepleview - Mr. Dick Mc Gaugh, Real Estate Broker.
Mr. Mc Gough presented colored rendering of sign and asked for an
extension of time. It was determined that not all the new units
have been sold and there are several for rent. Because sales were
not good, about 1/2 of the units are now rented.
Com. Larsen stated the sign is in good repair, and suggested renewing
the sign for an additional 6 months, with the understanding that if
there is a change in the Spring, they will re-design the sign.
Com. Cea made the following motion:
I move we grant an extension for the Steeple
View ground sign for a period of 6 months.
In 6 months, another request will be made
for a new permit.
Com. Zusel seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Zusel
Cea
Larsen
Motion Passed 4 to 0. Nay - None
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Mr. Mc Gough did not know where the Now Renting sign was to be moved. Will Call .
C. Got The Picture ( Artist's Frame Service Inc.)
Mr. Jay Goltz, President of Artists' Frame Service Inc. presented the sign
that would replace the existing sign at 305 W. Dundee Road. He explained
that he will no longer sell pictures. They will only frame pictures.
Since he owns a factory. in Chicago, he is able to use a lot of left-over
materials and sell at outlet prices. He will be able to advertise in the
papers, using both locations. He has been in Buffalo Grove for over two
years and many people cannot find his business. He requested signage over
the windows, on the brick fascia. The business is good in Chicago. When
he selected the location for the business, he did so because Buffalo Grove
is a growing suburb; but he has found that traffic moves so fast on Dundee
Road that no one sees the sign because it is perpendicular to the street.
Another reason for needing more visable signage is because picture framing
is a low volume business. It depends on new customers, because people only
need frames a couple of times a year. Mr. Goltz did not present any wall
signage. He said Mr. Pavetto (State Farm Ins.) would allow fascia signs,
if the Appearance Commission would approve. The other businesses in the
Center are not in need of fascia signage. Other shopping centers have
signage that can be seen.
Mr. Larsen suggested working with Mr. Pavetto to create a sign package
for the center using up to 20% of the fascia per business.
The Commission questioned the use of Factory Outlet and Picture Framing
as advertising. Picture Framing would fall under Name and Nature of busi-
ness, but Factory Outlet would be a problem. Several possibilities were
discussed, but no decision was made.
Mr. Goltz said he is in the process of changing the business name and
could incorporate the Outlet in the name. He asked if the sign could be
Tabled until he has had time to decide what to do. He will ask Mr. Pavet-
to to come in with him. ,He will present a different sign.
Com. Cea made a motion to Table until November 11 , 1982.
Com. Zusel seconded the motion. Voice Vote was Aye Unanimously.
D. Allstate (Wall sign at Strathmore Shopping Center)
Mr. Bob Harriett, Acme Wiley Corp. presented the sign to be located
on the Arlington Heights side of the Center at the former location of
the outdoor furniture store. He presented a letter from the landlord
approving the style and size of letters. The sign meets the sign criteria
for the center. Allstate is 16 inch letters, one of the standard sizes -
and the colors are White with Gold trim caps. The raceway would be stain-
less steel , which does not rust or peel .
The Commission discussed the appearance of the steel raceway because the
others at the Center are all bronze, which blends with the background.
Com. Larsen suggested etching it and painting it bronze. This was agree-
able with Mr. Harriett.
Com. Cea made the following motion:
I move we accept the sign for Allstate
as presented with the stipulation that
that the raceway be dark bronze to
match the existing signs of the center.
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Allstate motion continued
Com. Zusel seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Krippes
Zusel
Cea
Larsen
Motion Passed 4 to 0. Nay - None
E. Little Italian Pizza - Front Elevation Change
Mr. Al Nelson, owner described the remodeling that is being done.
They are enlarging the business to include a sit-down dining room
to the West of the entrance. The inside of the window area will be
boarded up with the same fir paneling (rough sawn) to match the rest
of the building. He noted that this has been done in Darien, Ill .
Com. Cea objected to the plan because it makes the building appear to
be boarded up. He noted the window treatment at Beef 'N Stein was more
acceptable. The windows have been covered from the inside.
Mr. Nelson said that the problem with that is that should their be any
vandelism, it is very difficult to repair the' damage because the paneling
has to be removed from the inside. The doorway will also be covered
from the outside. The entire arch will be covered.
The Commission agreed that the blank wall would have to be broken up
with some sort of treatment, such as wall sconces or a window effect
made with a false frame, with drapes or stucco board, etc.
There is not enough room between the window and board to do much.
Com. Cea suggested two slit windows would make it very attractive and he
drew a sketch that was acceptable to Mr. Nelson and the Commissioners.
Com. Cea made the following motion:
I move we approve the design fro the front of
Little Italian Pizza as presented with the
following modification: .
That two vertical reveals be introduced.
Construction: The reveals shall be approximately
8 inches wide between 2 - 2"x 6" rough sawn cedar
boards; reveals located at mullion locations.
The reveal to be painted dark bronze to match the
door frame and rest of siding to match the stain
of the cedar shakes fascia. Siding to extend to
the sidewalk like at door location.
Com. Krippes seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Zusel
Krippes
Cea
Larsen
Motion Passed 4 to 0. Nay - None
Sketch attached.
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Mr. Nelson asked about additional signage above the addition.
The Code allows one sign per business establishment - but the sign
, could be re-located and the word "restaurant" added. If any change
is desired, Mr. Nelson will submit it at a later date.
V. WORKSHOP
The review of the Sign Code was postponed until the next meeting,
because Chairman Don Hardt is absent.
Minutes of Oct. 14, 1982. Com. Krippes made a motion to approve as
presented. Com. Zusel seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: Aye - Zusel
Krippes
Larsen
Nay - None
Abstain - Cea
Minutes of Oct. 14, 1982 were approved and will be placed on file.
VI. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Mr. Saviano informed the AC that the Jewel/Osco Wall signs: Drug/Food
were granted a variation by the ZBA and will be on the next AC Agenda.
Mr. Larsen noted that some mis-information has caused him to change his
mind about the Liquor sign. It has come to his attention that the Osco
Drug Store at Plaza Verde has a Liquor sign, thus setting a precedent.
While he is personally opposed to advertising Liquor - he would not
oppose the sign since other businesses have been allowed to do so.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Cea made a motion to adjourn. Com. Krippes seconded the motion.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:20 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Shirley B s, Secretary
Appearance Commission
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