1982-08-26 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL.
THURS. , AUG. 26, 1982
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting to order on Thurs. , August 19, 1982
at 7:50 P.M. at the Village Hall .
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: B. Gibbs, C. Zusel , E. Larsen and D. Hardt. QUORUM
Commissioners Absent: C. Cea and K. Krippes.
Bldg. Department Rep. : Frank E. Hruby, Jr. , Director of Bldg. .& Zoning
Trustee Liaison: Charles Gerschefske
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
August 19, 1982 - Com. Gibbs made a motion to approve with the clarification
that the lights in the parking lot at the B. G. Business
Park will be installed in concrete on grade
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Larsen
Gibbs
Nay - None
Abstain - Zusel
Minutes of August 19, 1982 were approved. Hardt
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. Continental Bank (Buffalo National Bank)
Money Network - Mr. James E. Lentz and Ms. Elizabeth Antonopoulos
Mr. Lentz presented the revised Money Network sign. The size has been
reduced almost half and the sign will not be seen from Dundee Road.
Mr. Lentz explained that the sign must have the Logo with the colors
in order to identify the service to customers. It will not induce
anyone to come into the lot. Banks cannot join the MN system without
using this identification.
Ms. Antonopoulos described the location of the sign on the building.
It will be about 180 feet from the street, located one bay out from
the front door. It will be 7 feet off the ground to the top of the
sign. It will be used to direct people coming in after dark to use
the Money Network system.
Ch. Hardt said that the point between advertising and identification
is a grey area. The Commission must consider:
1. Is the sign acceptable at that location
based on the size?
2. Does the reduced sign make it more of an
informational sign than an advertising sign?
Mr. Gerschefske reported that the Village Board was split on the idea of
whether the sign was an advertising sign. They sent it back to the Appear-
ance Commission after the size was reduced. It would now seem to be more in
the category of information then advertisign. Sec. 14.36.010 F of the Sign
Code refers to signage in a court area or signage not visable from a right-
of-way. Such signs are exempt in some instances.
Ch. Hardt said that added that because there is already a wall sign on that
side of the building, "Continental Bank" - that the Money Network sign would
be treated as an informational sign because only one wall sign is allowed on
an elevation.
Ms. Antonopoulos said that they had considered locating the money network at
the drive-up window. But that would be dangerous, because people withdraw
cash at night and people would be afraid to come to the rear at night.
The Commissioners discussed the situation and were in agreement that the reduced
size makes the sign a directional sign, because you must be in the parking lot
to see it.
There is an electric disconnect sign and it will be painted out to match the
background of the sign.
Ch. Hardt asked if it is necessary to have the sign internally illuminated?
Ms. Antonopoulos said so it can be seen.
Also, Ch. Hardt asked if it was possible to mount it flush with the wall?
Ms. Antonopoulos said she wasn't sure if this can be done. It is shown on
the plans as surface mounted. She thought it could be recessed.
Com. Larsen made the following motion:
I move we accept the Money Network signage presented by
The Continental Bank as revised. Sign to be installed
on the Northwest wall ; approximately 7 feet above grade;
in a recessed opening of the building. Colors to be as
indicated, whether they be plastic letters or metal with
plastic behind.
The Appearance Commission feels this is an advertising
sign, but that its merits as an informational sign out-
weight that fact.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye -Gibbs
Zusel
Larsen
Motion Passed 3 to 1 . Nay - Hardt
Ch. Hardt noted that should technical difficulties occur because of the
stipulation that the sign be recessed into the wall , it will be necessary
to come back to the Appearance Commission.
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V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Hidden Lakes - Ground Sign
Mr. Jerry Pfeffer
Mr. Pfeffer presented a letter from Mrs. Geiselle Roberts, 1118 Brandy-
wyn Court granting permission for Hidden Lake Village to rent the sign
on their property that has been used by Pulte for Tanglewood.
Chairman Hardt noted that before Pulte put up their sign, it was an
off-premise sign for Levitt. It was probably erected before the house
was constructed, because the Sign Code does not permit signs on residential
property.
Mr. Hruby gave some background of the sign. It was originally a Levitt
sign in 1977. In 1981 , August 27th, the AC approved a change of copy to
Pulte. The permit was granted for a period of 6 months and renewal could
be granted by the Administrator. The man who was the administrator at
the time of renewal is no longer employed with the Village, so it is not
certain if the sign was renewed. The situation has been discussed with
the Village Attorney, and the sign could be considered a non-conforming
sign.
The size of the sign was not known. Also the distance to Devonshire's
sign was not know. According to the sign code, if the sign meets the
conditions of the Sign Code, it can be allowed, as an off-premise sign.
Mr. Pfeffer explained that Mrs. Roberts had come to Hidden Lakes to see
if they wanted to use the sign. They have come to count on the income.
Hidden Lakes would like to have a double-faced sign. There are some
hedges around the sign and a tree to the North.
Ch. Hardt had several questions:
1 . Was the original permit issued with the
stipulation that the sign be removed when
the lots were sold and houses erected?
2. Who was on the Commission when the Pulte
sign change was approved in 1981. Mr. Hardt
does not recall any sales sign ever being
presented to the AC that was on a residential
lot. It is possible that Mr. Hardt was not
present or that it was never brought to the
AC for approval , or it was brought without
the knowledge that it was on a residential lot.
Mr. Hardt said he is opposed to signs being granted to people for erection
in rear yards. He said he has no problem with the copy presented for
the sign. The problem is with the legality of the sign. If the sign is
a non-conforming sign, the copy would be acceptable. He asked for a legal
interpretation.
Mr. Hruby said he would review the history of the sign with the Village
Attorney and determine if the Building Department can allow the sign or
if it is to be denied.
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Mr. Pfeffer said he would be satisfied if the Commission would approve
the sign, with the stipulation that it is legal , it can be changed to
Hidden Lake Village. If it is illegal , he asked about a ZBA variation.
Mr. Hruby said that should Mr. Raysa determine that the sign is illegal ,
the Village will take action with the Roberts. It appeared to Mr. Hruby
that an appeal would not be appropriate, but possibly a text amendment
to the Zoning Ordinance would be more appropriate, because an appeal is
contingent on certain criteria as per Section 14.44.010.
Ch. Hardt stated that Sec. 14.20.080 allows 3rd party off-premise signs,
but that all other conditions of the Sign Code must be met: Size, Distance,
Condition of Structure, and the requirements concerning plantings around
the sign, all brush shall be kept cleared away for a distance of 5 feet.
Com. Zusel made the following motion:
I move we accept the sign presented by
Hidden Lake Village for an Off-Premise
Sign at 1118 Brandywyn Court, as submitted
with the following stipulations:
1. Double-Faced to read Hidden Lake Village,
as per Logo previously approved, colors
as previously approved. "Spacious Condo-
minium Residences in Bufffalo Grove" with
direction "Turn Right or Turn Left."
2. The sign shall exceed 500 feet from the
Devonshire sign.
3. The sign shall not exceed 10 ft. x 20 ft.
4. Ground around the sign shall be maintained
in good order as per Sec. 14.20.080.
5. Sign is accepted contingent on the legality
of it being a non-conforming legal sign.
6. Sign is approved for a period of 6 months,
with renewal provision as per the Code.
7. Sign approved according to the provisions
of Section 14.28.030 - Loss of non-conforming
status.
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Gibbs
Zusel
Larsen
Hardt
Motion Passed 4 to 0. Nay - None
Ch. Hardt noted that Buffalo Grove has no other signs in residential areas.
The sign was only approved because it is not less-conforming than the pre-
sent sign. It must be determined whether it is legal and can keep its
non-conforming status.
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Aug. 26, 1982 - Page Four
B. Cost Plus 10 - Review of Wall Sign
Discussion of pylon sign (Striker Lanes)
Mr. Gene Zipperstein was present and said he is here to comply with any
suggestions the AC wants to give him regarding his sign. He said when he
was in before he did not that his drawing gave the impression that he was
using all capitol letters. Mr. Saviano has asked him to repaint the letters,
and change them in other ways, but the Village is not yet satisfied with the
sign.
Ch. Hardt described the sign in its present state:
1 . It is a combination of lower case and upper case letters:
cost PLus - the P being a lower case letter raised
and the L being a lower case letter with
a piece added to make it upper case.
2. The 10 is not a numeral 10, but a capitol I with an 0.
Ch. Hardt explained that the Commission does not require upper or lower
case letters. When they asked for the size of the letters, they implied
they were all upper case letters - 15 inches high. What is expected is
continuity in the sign and compatibility with the other signs in the area.
Mr. Hruby further described the way the sign has been erected. The letters
are not straight, there is a mixture of upper and lower case letters and
the 0 in the 10 has been cut to fit between the wood strips on the fascia.
Com. Larsen pointed out the problem probably occurred because the sign was
not put up by a licensed sign man. A very rough draft was presented, the
spacing not shown and the Code has not been met.
A permit has not yet been issued for the sign., The AC Commission must
approve the sign before a permit is issued.
After further discussion, the decision was made to reposition the sign
on a straight plane, using all lower case letters for "cost plus" and
purchace of a set of numerals for the 10. If the 0 does not fit between
the wood strips, the 1 inch pieces of wood batton are to be cut off.
Pylon Discussion - Mr. Zipperstein requested permission to put "cost
plus 10" on the pylon sign at Striker Lanes, located
under the sign.
Ch. Hardt stated that the sign is now an illegal sign and the Commission
cannot consider any changes to it until it has been brought into conformance.
The owner of the sign has refused to come in and discuss the sign. Arrow
Sign Company has removed the Mr. Adams from the sign, leaving the man and
a large blank area. The changes were made illegally, without coming in for
approval .
Com. Zusel made the following motion:
I move we approve the revised cost plus 10
sign with the following stipulations:
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Aug. 26, 1982 - Page Five
cost plus 10 motion cont'd:
1. cost plus shall all be lower case letters
2. #10 shall be numerals that correspond to the
size of the capitols that match the lower case
letters that are used for the cost plus.
3. Color to be matching ivory.
4. Letters to be on 1 line - evenly spaced.
5. Letters will be nailed to the building, and
and all old nail holes are to be fixed - so
that the sign will be in excellent condition.
6. Maximum height will be 15 inches. Numerals will be higher.
7. The batten may be cut so that the numeral 0
will fit. All letters and numerals will be
recessed.
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Gibbs
Zusel
Larsen
Hardt
Nay - None
Motion Passed 4 to 0.
C. Lexington Glen (Wyndale) - Full Review
Mr. Jim Friberg and Mr. Peter Bianchini presented a slide presentation
showing Lexington Lane Sub-division in Schaumberg. The Buffalo Grove
project will be located at Checker and Arlington Heights Road.
Architecture and Building Materials
As the elevations were shown, the color combinations were presented.
A color chart was submitted and marked Exhibit A. Questions were asked
by the Commissioners during the presentation and the following specifi-
cations were given:
1 . Flues will be located on the rear elevations
where possible, or painted out to match the roof.
2. Gables on the garages have been differed to
break up the effect of 4 straight garages.
3. Mortar will not be colored.
4. Shutters are on the front lower windows only. If
an elevation appears on a corner, shutters will
be added.
5. Front doors will match the body of the building.
6. Railings in rear are wood, painted to match trim.
7. Supporting posts are the same color as the trim,
and will be capped off at the base.
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8. Window are all white frames.
9. Sliding doors are all White - baked enamel aluminum.
10. The ridge vent will be black - cannot be painted.
11 . Balconys will be braced and constructed with
wolmanized wood.
12. Gutters are all the way around. Elevation B -
the channel gutter will be painted out to match
the brick.
13. Buildings are 8 unit buildings or 1/2 building with
4 units. Depending on sales, the buildings will be
mixed and flexibility was requested.
14. On 4 unit buildings, there are windows to break up
blank elevation.
15. Black boxes on the Lexington model will be painted
out to match the siding on the C Elevation.
16. Brick elevations will have precast limestone sill .
17. Elevation C will have wooden corner posts.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we approve the Architecture and Building
Materials as submitted by Lexington Glen, with
the following stipulations:
a. Elevation A - Colors as per color chart - Ex. A
b. Elevation B - Colors as per color chart - Ex. A
c. Elevation C - Colors as per color chart - Ex. A
d. All windows are white framed.
e. All balconies are wolmanized wood with supports.
f. Shutters vary with the elevations.
g. Garage doors will match the trim color.
h. Roof vents painted out to match roof color, or
will be on the rear elevation.
i . Front doors will match the trim color.
j. All posts will be capped, at the base.
Note: Should brick or roofing materials become unavailable,
color may be changed. Changes are to be submitted to
the Building Department.
Com. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Gibbs
Zusel
Larsen
Hardt
Motion Passed 4 to 0. Nay - None
Layout Plan - Sheets 1 and 2
The buildings have been pre-developed and Lexington has a Monotony Code.
Buyers will be required to select from the plans.
Com. Larsen made a motion to approve the Layout Plans on Sheets 1 and 2
of the Landscaping Plans for the placement of buildings with respect to
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Materials and Color Treatment. Particular mix to be left up to the
Lexington Corp.
Com. Zusel seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Gibbs
Zusel
Larsen
Hardt
Nay - None
Motion Passed 4 to 0.
Lighting - Lighting is minimal . Lexington will submit samples of the
light fixtures to the Building Department, and the the AC
will approve.
Landscaping - A Village Forester's report was not available.
All streets will be dedicated to the Village. Ch. Hardt questioned what
areas will become the responsibility of the Village to maintain, such as
the landscaping on the islands and plantings other than parkway trees.
Mr. Bianchini explained that basically, Lexington will maintain the
plantings up to the curb during the maintenance period.
No Public Works report was available, so these questions were not answered.
Since Lexington will be coming back Sept. 9, 1982 with the Model Area, the
landscaping will be tabled pending the reports.
,%./ Com. Gibbs made a motion to Table the Lexington Landscaping until 9/9/82.
Com. Zusel seconded the motion. Voice Vote was Aye Unanimously.
VI. ANNOUNCEMENTS
July 22, 1982 minutes - Com. Larsen made a motion to approve as submitted.
Com. Zusel seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: Aye - Zusel
Larsen
Hardt
Nay - None
July 22, 1982 minutes were approved. Abstain - Gibbs
The next combined meeting with the Plan Commission, ZBA and AC to review
the Zoning Ordinance will be Sept. 1 , 1982 at 7:30 P.M.
The Sign Code needs some minor changes. If the Commissioners make notes
of what sections are not clear, etc. and present them to Staff, they will
be reviewed.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Gibbs made a motion to adjourn. Com. Zusel seconded the motion.
The meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
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August 18 , 1982
Mr . Dominic Saviano
Building Department
Village of Buffalo Grove
50 Raupp Boulevard
Buffalo Grove , I1 . 60090
Dear Mr . Saviano :
By this letter I would like to indicate that I
have made an agreement with HIDDEN LAKE VILLAGE that
would allow them to rent the sign now located on my
property, subject to the following conditions :
1 . Pulte will release the remaining portion of
their contract on the sign .
2 . The Village of Buffalo Grove approves the
new copy to be put on the sign .
3 . A final contract between HIDDEN LAKE VILLAGE
and me will be execuited .
If you have any questions or need any further
information please do not hesitate to give me a call .
Thank you .
Very truly yours ,
Mrs . Geiselle Roberts
1118 Brandywyn Court
Buffalo Grove , Il . 60090
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Half Timber Chapel Gray Stucco-Tex New England Gray Black & White ✓
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A (Inc. garage blue)
doors)
2)
Hickory Brown✓ Buff (inc.' Levee - Jeffersons
garage doors)
1)
Rural Dusky Olive % Masonite "Olympic" White Chesapeake
Woodmans (Inc, garage
B Egg Nog ✓ doors)
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Chapel Gray Tumbleweed Ranch White Woodland Blend III./
(Inc. garage
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Old Towne Black Knight/ Halifx Gray✓ "Olympic" White Front. - Clip on Stone
ALUM • - (Inc, garage
C doors) Sides & Back .Y6halde
Charcoal Shutters
2)
Char Brown -7 Rafia Beige,/ ; "Olympic" White Front - Clip on Stone
AU�nn- (Inc. garage
doors) Sides & Back - The
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Rec. Building Chapel Gray Vinyl Trim - Olympic White
Shadow Gray Door - Blue Mink
Shutters - Blue Mink
Shakes - Natural
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August 18 , 1982
Mr . Dominic Saviano
Building Department
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Village of Buffalo Grove
50 Raupp Boulevard
Buffalo Grove , Ii . 60090
Dear Mr . Saviano :
By this letter I would like to indicate that I
have made an agreement with HIDDEN LAKE VILLAGE that
would allow them to rent the sign now located on my
property , subject to the following conditions :
1 . Pulte will release the remaining portion of
their contract on the sign .
2 . The Village of Buffalo Grove approves the
new copy to be put on the sign .
3 . A final contract between HIDDEN LAKE VILLAGE
and me will be execuited .
If you have any questions or need any further
information please do not hesitate to give me a call .
Thank you .
Very truly yours ,
Mrs . Gei sel l e Roberts
1118 Brandywyn Court
Buffalo Grove , I1 . 60090