1980-01-10 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL.
THURS.. JAN. 10, 1980
1. CALL TO ORDER
In the absence of Chairman Don Hardt, Com. L. Kirby called the meeting to
order at 7:35 P.M. on Thursday, Jan. 10, 1980 at the Village Hall; and
acted as Chairman of the meeting.
2. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: Knaak, Holland, Gibbs and Kirby. QUORUM PRESENT
Commissioners Absent: Hardt and Paolillo.
Bldg. Dept. Representative Present: James Griffin
Prospective Commissioner: Pat Carr, 761 Kingsbridge. 634-1363
Broker Associate - ReMax - 1401 W. Dundee Rd.
Suite 210 - 577-7000
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of Nov. 29. 1979 and Dec. 13. 1979 were deferred because of a
lack of Quorum present that attended the meetings.
Com. Gibbs moved to table; Com. Holland seconded; Aye Unanimously.
4. BUSINESS
a) Manning Savings - Temporary Construction Sign
Representatives: Ken Middleton and Jack Jones (Duo-Signs)
Mr. Middleton gave a general description of the sign: it will be
4 ft. from the bottom of sign to the ground with the top of the sign
81 off the ground. It is supported by three posts with no back braces.
The back will be painted grey. Construction is expected to be completed
in July.
Ch. Kirby explained the normal time limitation of temporary signs is
6 months with renewal allowed if the sign is kept in good condition.
The copy referring to the present location of the business is actually
an Off-Premise Sign. not permitted under the Sign Code.
It was agreeable with the representatives to eliminate that portion of
the sign and center the picture of the building.
Mr. Griffin was asked to check with traffic control as to visability at
the corner of Dundee and Buffalo Grove Rds.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we approve the sign submitted by Manning
Savings and Loan as submitted, with the following
stipulations:
1. words "currently at 205 W. DundeeItbe removed;
2. position of the picture of the building may
be altered subject to the sign painters descretion;
3. the sign will be no more than 4 ft. ft. above ground
Manning Savings — Motion continued:
4. The exact location to be determined by the Engineering
Department so that it does not conflict with any traffic
conditions.
Motion seconded by Com. Holland. Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye — Knaak, Holland, Gibbs and Kirby
Nay — None
Motion Passed Unanimously
b) Dr. Wolin — Sign at Strathmore Shopping Center
Not present.
c) L. Shassian — Commons — Green Roof on Model
Not present.
d) Suffield Place — Review of New Models
Ken Conrad — Miles Development
Mr. Conrad presented drawings of two new models that will not
be built, but will be offered to buyers. There will now be
6 homes to choose from. All architecture stipulations that
were approved on Jan. 11, 1979 will apply and the Monotny Code
• will be followed. These models will sell for approximately
$25,000 to $30,000 less than the first four which range from
• $131,000 to $167,000. Sales have not been good.
The Commission generally discussed various architectural features
and reviewed the Jan. 11, 1979 minutes. There were no objections.
Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move we accept the two models presented by
Suffield Place, The Margate and The Trenton,
subject to the stipulations as outlined in the
Appearance Commission minutes of Jan. 11, 1979;
Monotony Code will be followed, the same color
package will apply; roof vents to be painted out;
and corner lots will be landscaped as agreed upon;
also the building materials will be the same.
Com. Knaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye — Gibbs, Knaak, Holland,Kirby
Nay — None
Motion Passed Unanimously.
Ch. Kirby stated that the Commission would wait 10 minutes before
adjourning, since it is early. An Informal Session was held.
Com. Knaak mentioned he thought that the Manning sign could have
been approved as presented. because the S5.gn Code does allow Off—
Premise sign under certain conditions.
Ch. Kirby said she would phone Mr. Middleton and inform him so
they can make a decision. She noted that it was not a point that
was questioned.
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Mr. Shassian arrived to discuss the problem of the model on Buffalo
Grove Road that has a green roof. The rear of the home is all green
siding, no white trim as on the front, and a different shade of green
shingles: The Commission did not approve the color green when the
models were presented Jan. 11, 1979.
Mr. Shassian made a statement explaining the difficulty a developer has
when he presents models to the Appearance Commission before final selec-
tions are made, contracts signed and expert marketing details are known.
He noted that manufactures, in general, only make sellable colors and
the green roof in question is liked by many people. He recalled the
letter he wrote inviting the AC to visit the. Sales Office to see the six
color packages.
The Commission discussed the problem at length and asked Mr. Shassian
if he would stipulate: that should a customer come in and ask for a
green roof, he would be directed to the Appearance Commission for ap-
proval. Mr. Shassian was agreeable to this.
Mr. Shassian presented photographs of the front view of his models...
and the Commission agreed that from the front the green is not as
abjectionable because it is broken up with the Tudor styling.
Ch. Kirby noted that developers are not limited to certain manufacturers
color shades. but that similar colors are acceptable.
Mr. Shassian cited the bad market conditions at present and said he
would not give up a sale because of a customers choice of colors, but
he would tell custormers to come before the AC if they choose green (or
any other color. such as white). Black is acceptable.
`./ Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move that we insist that any future homes in the
COMMONS subdivision not be permitted to have Green Roofs;
and that the color package selection for the sub-division
have the green roof combination be removed from the Sales
Office. The green roof has not been approved by this Commission.
If a home buyer chooses to have a green, that home buyer
shall be required to come before this Commission to get
approval.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote:
Aye - Knaak, Gibbs. Holland and Kirby (Nay-None)
Somel±Lscussion took place after the vote was taken. Alternate colors
for the roof were reviewed and the Jan. 11. 1979 minutes were consulted. •
Mr. Shassian stated that he would not lose a sale because of a roof color.
He asked what colors he could use. The colors in the approved package
included grey, but not black, white, red or blue •roofs. The Commission
felt that black or grey would look well with the green siding.
Com. Gibbs moved that the motion be amended to include a selection of a
black or white roof.
There was no second to the amendment. therefore it died.
Com. Knaak moved that the motion be amended to include black as an
alternate color for the roof, IF it is approved by this Commission.
Com. Holland seconded the amendment. Roll Call Vote was taken;
Aye - Gibbs, Holland. Knaak, Kirby
Nay - None
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Com. Knaak asked Mr. Shassian about the addition of the arrow to the
sign on #83, that was added without the approval of the Appearance Com.
Mr. Shassian stated that if this has not been resolved he would be glad
to go to the Village Board.
Mr. Griffin will see that it gets on the Agenda.
e) Red Carpet — Larry Schwartz, representative came to ask approval of a
face change of a sign at the Dunell Shopping Center. He presented the
copy and explained that it would be placed into the existing boxes, over
the door and on the pylon sign. The sign will be interior painting
on plastic panels. the frames are white metal. No discussion.
Com. Holland made the following motion:
I move we accept the Red Carpet signs at Dunell
Shopping Center as presented.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye — Knaak, Holland, Gibbs and Kirby
Nay — None
Motion Passed.
5. ANNOUNCEMENTS
The Applegate Realty Sign that has been attached to the abandoned Windfield
sign has not been removed as agreen at the Dec. meeting and Mr. Griffin was
asked to pursue the matter.
6. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Knaak made a motion to adjourn at 9:25 F.M. Com. Gibbs seconded the
motion. Ch. Kirby adjourned the meeting after unanimous Aye vote.
Respectfully submitted,
Shirley Bat Secretary
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APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, IL.
THURS. , JAN. 24. 1.28(2
1. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting of the Appearance Commission was called to order at 7:38 P.M.
on Thursday. 'Jan. 24. 1980; by Com. Kirby in the absence of the Chairman
2. ROLL CALL
Commissioners present: M. Holland, L. Paolillo. L. Gibbs. and L. Kirby.
Commissioners absent: D. Knaak and D. Hardt
Bldg. Dept. Representative Present: James Griffin
Prospective Commissioner: Pat Carr (2nd meeting)
3. APPROVAL OF. MINUTES
The minutes of Nov. 29. 1979. Dec. 13, 1979 and Jan. 10. 1980 were deferred.
4. BUSINESS
a) Mr. James Truesdell. Village Planner was present to discuss some proposed
revisions to the Office and Industrial Ordinance. The first item to be
considered was the height of slope relative to buffer zones between indus-
trial and residential districts. Mr. Truesdell explained that to have a
berm with a 4 to 1 slope takes 24 feet of ground; but a berm with a
3 to 1 slope only takes 18 feet of ground. which would cost the developer
less. The Commission favored dealing with each situation on an individual
Sfts basis because such decisions are based on many factors: type of business.
building, abutting residential, land 'topography. etc. Mr. Truesdell said
the wording could be prepared to specify berming but not restrict by ordi-
nance the height, so that the Engineering Department can make recommendations
as to how much is needed. etc. Landscaping will also be required.
The second change to consider was the requirement to plant a tree every 30
feet. The Plan Commission would like to leave this open so that trees can
be clustered for appearance; with such specifications as the number to be
equivelant to meet the B-5 requirement but leave placement up to the de-
veloper as long as there are some trees planted every 60 ft. as in B-3.
It was noted that the Appearance Commission must review every plan as it is
so Mr. Truesdell's proposal was acceptable,to require a specified number of
trees.
Next. signage was discussed. With the possibility of a business within an
office building, i.e. a restaurant - the need for variances might be neces-
sary. but the Appearance Commission felt that the Sign Code was Sufficient.
Mr.Truesdell said that for now they would agree to use the Wording of the
Sign Code Section 4.2 and deal with exceptions accordingly.
b) Tanglewood - Temporary Sign
Mr. Jim Hoskins presented the copy of a sign face that they wish to erect
at the NE corner of Busch Rd. and Green Knolls Dr. 'A sign exists mow
that belongs to Levitt and it will be purchased from them.
The AC noted that the size of the existing sign is too large and they
must reduce the size to 120 sq. ft. Also some of the wording was to be
deleted. If the Bldg. Dept. inspects the billboard and it is in good
repair. it may be used as long as the size is made conformable.
Mr. Hoskins was uncertain as to what procedure they will follow. but he
agreed to comply with the Sign Ordinance and with the recommendations of
the Commission. so the following motion was made by Com. Holland:
I move we accept the Tanglewood billboard sign at
the location of the NE corner of Busch Rd. and Rt. 83
as presented. subject to these stipulaions:
a) Upper right hand corner (triangle with
the percentage and type of financing)
to be removed; regular border to be
extended;
b) Words "From $112.950" be removed and
Single Family Homes to be centered
under Logo.
c) Words "North on Rt. 83 to Busch Rd." be
removed - and Models with an arrow of
letter size similar to "North on Rt. 83...
.." be inserted; and color - Black.
Further stipulated:
Motion is subject to inspection of the
Billboard Sign by the Administrator as
the material condition of the Billboard;
and also:
The sign fact shall not exceed 120 sq. ft.
as per the Sign Ordinance
Com. Paolillo seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye - Holland. Paolillo. Gibbs.
and Kirby
Motion Passed Unanimously.
c) Home Federal - Plaza Verde; Face Change
Gwen Osborne. representative,presented the proposed change of copy
at the Home Federal Savings and Loan. white. The new sign will be
placed on three faces of the building. The Logo will be an individual-
ly back-lit with red painted face. The rest of the sign will be white
letters constructed in the same way. The name has been changed to. .
Home Federal of Chicago. This i.• an incorporated name. It will occupy
more space vertically but only about 1/2 of the existing horizontal space.
The Sign Code reference is Section 5.3 — Category 1 and the provision
regarding square footage. The Commission had difficulty visualizing the
sign as it would appear on the wall and asked that drawings be submitted.
Motion to table was made by Com. Paolillo, and seconded by Com. Gibbs.
Roll Call Vote was Aye - Paolillo. Gibbs. Kirby and Holland. Nay - None
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d) C.C. Cycle — Face Change at Dun—El Shopping Center (Formerly Heins Auto)
The sign copy was presented by Mr. Schindler. who described the construction
as a single piece of plexi—glas with blue lettering. He requested the
addition of the address "307 Dundee Rd. to the sign under the logo.
The logo,which is a cyclist,was discussed. Mr. Schindler explained that
since they plan only to sell bikes, not motor bikes or cycles. he felt
the logo was necessary to identify his business.
Com. Paolillo expressed concern that allowing a pictorial logo was opening
up the possibility of other products being advertised..
Ch. Kirby pointed out that it is the purpose of the Appearance Commission
to deal with each sign presented on an individual basis. The cyclist was
not offensive to the other members of the Commission.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we accept the sign presented by
C. C. Cycle to replace the Heins Auto
Parts sign, as presented with the addition
of 307 W. Dundee Rd. to be inserted. letters
to be in proportion with the rest of the sign.
Colors to be blue and yellow as in the rendition
submitted.
Com. Holland seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken:
Aye — Holland, Gibbs and Kirby
Nay — Paolillo
Motion Passed 3 to 1.
e) Fireside Terrace. Ken Middleton of Duo Sign; Bob Hirsch of Fireside.
Copy of temporary sales sign and site plan were presented.
The Grove Terrace Apartments are being converted to condominiums. The
sign will be a 10 x 12 ft. — 2 sided sign — mounted on 4 x 4ts and
placed 4 ft. off the ground. It will be about 125 ft.from the Golden
Bear Pylon. One reason for needing a billboard sign is the size of the
Golden Bear sign.
The Commission felt the sign was much "too busy" and discussed ways of
eliminating unnecessary wording and embellishment. All agreed that in
the location on Dundee Rd. where the speed limit is 45 MPH it would be
best for the sign to appear uncluttered. It was further agreed that if
the phone number is ever changed, it will be repainted.
Com. Paolillo made the following motion:
I move we approve the Fireside Terrace sign
as presented with the following stipulations:
a) Phone number be reduced to a smaller size;
thereby allowing the line "models open —
10 to 6" to be moved down;
b) Embellishments on the F be removed;
c) Coloring of "Woodburning Fireplaces" be
yellow as indicated on the banner. which
is to be removed.
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d) Duration of permit to be 6 months with
automatic renewal provided the sign is
kept in good condition.
Com. Gibbs seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote was taken.
Aye — Paolillo. Gibbs. and Kirby.
Nay — None; Abstain — Holland
Motion Passed. •
5. ANNOUNCEMENTS
James Griffin asked if a Patio Furniture Store moving into the Prudential
Shopping Center must have a sign reviewed if they plan to use 10" lower
case letters. He was directed to check the sign package and if there is
no..specific mention that first letters must be caps. then it is OK.
Mr. Griffin asked if a 4th sign could be added to the gound sign at
Dun—El. The Heins Auto Parts Shop has been divided and a second office
will be opening. C.C. Cycle has taken the whole sign. but it is really
3 pylon signs now, so any other must have a variation by the ZBA.
The Applegate situation has not quite been resolved. but Mr.Verbic did
agree to remove the sign from the Windfield billboard. Mr. Griffin has
determined that K & B still owns the billboard and he will be in contact
to see to it that the billboard is removed.
The Westwood Estates sign is apparently being lit at night and Mr. Griffin
will take care of this matter.
6. ADJOURNMENT
Com. Paolillo made a motion to adjourn at 9:40 P.M. Seconded by
Com. Holland. The Commissioners voted Aye Unanimously to adjourn.
Respectfully submitted.
i'cgx, tSE;L,
Shirley Bates ecretary
Appearance Commission
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