1981-08-13 - Appearance Commission - Minutes % (94:4-1-1 '12;k1.144LI
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APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF, BUFFALO GROVE, ILL.
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Don Hardt called the meeting to order at 7:48 P.M. at the Village Hn11
on Thursday, August 13, 1981.
II. ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: Knaak, Gibbs, Cea and Hardt. QUORUM
Com. Carr arrived at 8:10 P.M.
Commissioners Absent: Kirby and Paolillo.
Building Department Representative: James D. Griffin, Asst. Bldg. and Zoning Adm.
Village Planner: James Truesdell
Village Consultant for Town Center: Jerry Brim and Bob Katz from Brim/Braum Assoc.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of July 23, 1981 were not approved because Commissioners present at
that meeting are absent.
IV. BUSINESS
A. Town Center Sipe Package — Harold Eisenberg
Rick Moses Consultant/Architect
Jack Sitkoi'f Arrow Signs
Craig Knoche and Tim Schwartz, Jowel roods
, I. Store Signs
Mr. Moses presented the site plan showing the proposed buildings. About 22
are being developed. Three out parcels are to be developed at a later time.
The general idea behind the architectural plans is an old time Main Street
theme carried out by using three different building styles. The signage
presented for the three elevations:
a. On 12 ft. canopy — Signs will be
hanging. 9 ft. 6 in from walk. ' Light
Ivory color box with dark brown letters
b. Rectangular Box, dark background with
light color letters. Ivory.color.
c. Archway signs will be dark brown with
light color letters. Ivory color.
They will be internally lit cans. B 5 Ordinance calls for 30 sq. ft. maxi—
mum size signs. They will be 2 ft. x 15 ft.
Materials were presented. All signs will be the same two colors: Dark brown
and Ivory or off--white cream. Two colors of brick: reddish brown and lighter
blond brick. Beige color siding. Brown metal roofing.
Five possible letter styles were presented to the Commission to select at
least three letter types. Following the discussion of allowable copy, the
AC chose four letter styles: Helvetica, Ronda, Antikva Margaret and Tiffany.
Concerning allowable copy, Ch. Hardt explained the need for restrictions.
He stated the problems that have arisen in the past when rental has depended
upon compromise. Usually the sign packages have been granted variation.
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The B5 Ordinance allows the name of the establishment and/or the generic
nature of the business; but no advertising is to be allowed.
The Commission asked that, using the strictest language possible, at least
4 criteria be specified: Number of lines of copy, maximum size and mini-
mum size of letters, letter style upper and/or lower case. Colors as indi-
cated.
The purpose of this discussion is to recommend a sign package. The Village
consultants will make a recommendation. Staff will present these to the
Plan Commission. The Plan Commission will make the final proposal to pre-
sent to the Village Board.
Discussion of the term: generic nature of business was defined to allow for
a brief description of the major service or product. According to the Sign
Code advertising is not allowed. Brand names are not to be used.
Ch. Hardt noted that to allow the Town Center signage to differ from the
Sign Ordinance would discriminate against all other Buffalo Grove businesses
who have been denied the addition of advertising to their signs. -Therefore, .
the AC can recommend that the Town Center not allow advertising apart from
the business name. Otherwise, the Sign Code must be changed. The Town
Center is important to the Village but should not be used to discriminate
against all the other businesses. They are equally important.
Commissioners Carr, Cea, Gibbs and Knaak all agreed that the copy should be
limited to the business name know as the DBA (doing business as).
After further discussion, Con. Knaak made the following recommendation to •
the Village Consultant and the 'Elan Commission:
I move we accept the Buffalo Grove Town Center
signage ' _ - ._. -that will
pertain-te the stores other than:
a) The Out lots •
b)) The easterly most tenant
in Building A.
c) Jewel/Osco Store
Letter Styles: 1 - Helvetica •
2 - Antikva Margaret •
3 --Ronda
4 - Tiffany
Letter Sizes not to exceed 12 inch - Upper and Lower case Maximum
an 6 inch - Upper and Lower case.Minimum
Copy: Up to two (2) lines of copy per sign
Colors to be 1 - 02146 Ivory These two colors ONLY.
2 - #4218 - Dark Brown
Verbage on the sign only to inlcude the name of the business to be
defined as "DBA" - doing business as.
Logos prohibited. Signs to be constructed as plans presented with
internally illuminated cans.
Motion seconded by Com. Cea. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Knaak, Gibbs, Cea, Hardt
Nay Carr
Motion Passed 4 to 1.
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#2. Jewel/Osco Signage and Pylon Signs
Mr. Craig Knoche from Jewel Food Co. presented the facia sign for Jewel/
Osco and smaller signs over the doors that say Food/Drug one over the other.
The color: The standard Orange Jewel uses and the letters are the new Jewel
Logo type. A11 new and remodeled Jewels are carrying this design.
The total height of the Jewel/Osco sign from the bottom of the "bar" to the
top of the "J" is 8 ft. 6 inches. The square footage of the entire Jewel
including the bar is 205 sq. ft. and Osco including the bar is 185 sq. ft.
Food Letter height is 18 inches each and about 7 feet long.
Drug
The facia is approximately 90 ft. long and 15 1/2 high. Signage covers
about 25% of the facia brick area. The color was chosen by the Plan Com.
Letters are individually mounted, internally illuminated. Lights shall not
be left on after 11 P.M. ( to be turned on about 7 A.M.) The store hours
will most likely be from 8 AM to 10 P.M.
The Commission discussed the Food/Drug signage and a poll was taken:
Carr — opposed Cea — OK
Knaak — opposed Gibbs— OK
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Hardt — opposed
Three Commissioners felt the Food/Drug is unnecessary. Two had no problem. -
Pylons proposed for four locations: One at Lake/Cook Road
Two on Rt. 83
One on Checker at. Buffalo Grove Rd.
Mr. Eisenberg presented the pylon sign showing Town Center on top with
Jewel/Osco below. A third portion would be attached for identification of
the restaurants. The color of the J/0 would be standard Orange.
The AC was concerned with future development and the request for future
signage.
The Jewel signs are 36 sq. ft. and since about 25% of Jewel business is
impulse buyers who stop when they see the sign.
- Mr. Brim, Consultant, said that they favor all signs to have Buffalo Grove
Town Center. The one an Lake/Cook to have Jewel/Osco the full size. The
other two signs could be reduced to 1/3 of the total each and leave 1/3 for
future identification of offices or restaurants.
Mr. Eisenberg explained the situation concerning the Jewel. It is necessary
for the Jewel/Osco signage remain the size presented or there is a possibility
that they will not build. Jewel has already compromised their location and
feel that adequate signage is a must. The total size of the sign is within
the Sign Code allowance of 200 sq. ft. If necessary, the restaurant signage
can be dropped and the Town Center can be reduced, but Jewel stays 36 sq. ft.
Ch. Hardt said he understood the need for Jewel/Osco to have signage as the
major tenant, but as a recommending body, the Commission will express their
opinions to the Plan Commission. He noted that the purpose of the Sign Code
is to eliminate the problems that arise when people request signage on the
basis of economic hardship. By applying the limitations of the Code, the
Village benefits from an aesthetic standpoint.
Mr. Brim .stated that the consultants will recommend that all pylons signs will
be identien1.; and that these signs should identify by means of additional
panels restaurants, offices, etc.
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The discussion continued for some time and centered upon the size of the
sign panels. The design of the sign was acceptable and it was noted that
the base could be landscaped for better appearance. The Commission also
discussed the proposed sign locations. The Jewel Orange color was not
favored by all Commissioners.
In conclusion, the following poll was taken:
Appearance Commission recommendations for the Pylon Sign:
1. Com. Carr — Reduce Town Center Sign on all sings.
Full Size Jewel/Osco on Lake/Cook and Rt. 83
Reduce Jewel/Osco on Checker to allow for
the Office Bldg. below. Speed Limit is 30 MPH
at that location and the sign can be read.
2. Com. Knaak — Full Size as presented on Lake/Cook and Rt. 83
Town Center sign only on Checker.
3. Com. Cea — Full Size on Lake/Cook Rd.
Reduced signs on Rt. 83 and Checker.
4. Com. Gibbs — Full Size as presented on Lake/Cook.
Orange Color as requested.
Reduced three—part on Rt. 83 and Checker
5. Ch. Hardt — Full Size on Lake/Cook and Rt. 83
Checker — No ' •
Appearance Commission Poll on Jewel/Osco Wall sign, Orange on White Back—
ground.
Aye — Carr, Knaak, Cea, Gibbs and Hardt
Nay — None
Appearance Commission Poll an Food. Signs on each side of Jewel/Osco.
Aye — Cea and Gibbs
Nay — Carr, Knaak, and Hardt
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It was noted that since the Shell sign is already at Lake/Cook Road that
the Commission opposes having the Town Center sign too close to Shell.
B. BUFFALO GROVE MALL
Mr. J. D. Devine presented a 5 ft. by 10 ft temporary leasing sign to be
located in the grassy place on Dundee Road just south of the Bell Liquor
sign. Two other nearby -centers have leasing signs and the B.G. Mn11, wants
to be competitive with them to successfully find suitable tenants.
The colors of the sign are Blue letters on White background. The time limit
requested is six months. The Commission prefers 90 days with renewal possible.
The space for rent sign on the large pylon has not been successful. As the
leases lapse at the Mall, hopefully a major tenant will be found.
A suggestion to put the proposed sign on the large pyloy was not agreeable.
Mr. Devine said a separate sign would be more effective, The Commission
reconizes the need for tenants as well as the potential problem of vandelism
when school reopens next month.
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Questions arose concerning the signage discussed with Mr. Morelli at the 7/9
meeting. Mr. Katz had agreed to remove the signs at the entrance to the
Mall because they were put up without a permit. Mr. Devine was uninformed
and could not consent to their removal. Also the large sign is to be re—
painted. Mr. Katz did agree to removal of the space, for rent sign on the
pylon.
The following motion was made by Com. Knaak:
I move we approve the Retail Space For Rent
sign for Buffalo Grove Mall as indicated,
Size of sign — 10 ft. by 5 ft.
Letters: As indicated
Colors: Blue on White Background.
Posts to be painted out White.
Double Faced Sign — no back braces.
Time Period — Not to exceed 90 days, at
which time it will come back
for review for potential renewal.
Stipulations: Arcade signs over the entrance
be removed, and
The "For Rent" sign on ' the
pylon sign be removed —
PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF PERMIT AND
ERECTION OF RENTAL SIGN.
Com. Cea seconded the motion. Roll Call Votu: Aye - Carr
`./ Knaak
Cea
Gibbs
Nay — Hardt, because it
will add to the
proliferation of
signs in the area.
Motion Passed 4 to 1.
C. Steepleview — Dumpster Screening
Cancelled until a later date.
D. Sandpiper Condominiums — Ground sign
Vigilante Builders
Irving Lowenthal, Larendo and Lowe, Inc. presented the sign which will
announce the opening of Sandpiper Condominiums in two weeks. It is 15 ft.
by 6 ft. double—faced constructed with exterior masonite.
Com. Knaak listed the existing signage: Sandpiper Rental Office, Information
Office, Rental Information Parking, Security Parking Only, Taw Away sign, and
two on Dundee Road. Sandpiper, East of Terrace Drive and Sandpiper Rental
and Information Office, West of Terrace Drive' .
The Commission would put a 6 month time limit on the sign, with renewal if
units are not filled; and would expect all other signage to be removed.
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The Commission discussed the sign itself. There were objections to the use
of the interest rate, because should it change, it would be difficult to
change the sign. There was too much copy for the traffic on Dundee Road.
Office hours - too small and not necessary. Too many colors - too bright.
�./ Mr. Lowenthal was not familiar with the existing signage and did not have
the authority to make commitments to remove it. He was willing to make
compromises on the sign. There isn't time to have other signage approved
before the opening of the models.
Ch. Hardt explained the necessity to have all signs brought before the AC
and permits must be issued. A suggestion was made to Table. Or the .sign can
be brought to a vote and if denied, an appeal to the Village Board can be
made.
Mr. Lowenthal said that although his authority is limited, he would prefer
to discuss possible alterations. He asked for a poll to determine the feel-
ings of the Commission on the financing: All Commissioners were opposed.
Com. Carr brought up the question of State Law requiring financing terms.
Mr. Lowenthal asked for a poll to determine what exact objections the Com-
mission had to the sign copy. He would like to keep the 12.5% Financing.
It was generally agreed that the sign looks cluttered, the lines dividing
portions of the sign were not necessary, too many colors, office hours and
double Logo. Also, the number of additional signs was objectionable.
Com. Carr suggested changing the Black copy to Brown. This is C .
The dividing lines can go. The Lower Logo can go. No office hours.
After further discussion, Con. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we approve the sign presented by Sandpiper
Condominiums based on the fact that all existing
signs be reviewed and:all that do not have permits
shall be removed before this sign is placed into
position, with the following stipulations:
to All Black copy be changed to Brown
2. All horizontal lines to be removed.
3. The lower Logo to be removed.
• 4. Telephone number be centered.
• 5. Office hours be removed.
6. Any changing of financing or prices,
will necessitate return to this Commission
for approval and to indicate how the changes
are to be made.
7. Sign to be approved for a period of 6 months.
Motion was ;mended as follows:
a) All other signage on the property to be removed.
b) If the law on signage requires additional verbage,
this motion is null and must be reviewed by the Commission
before the sign is given a permit. OR all financing must be
removed and the sign copy balanced.
Com._ Carr seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Carr and Gibbs
`..� Nay - Knaak, Cea, Hardt
Motion Denied3 to 2.
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Ch. Hardt explained the appeal rights to Mr• Lowenthal and after some
consideration, Mr. Lowenthal decided to make some revisions tonight and
present it after the next item of business..
E. Industrial Building in Commerce Center
Mr. James Freiberg, Lexington Development Corp. — Building No. 7
The architecture, building materials and colors were presented. There were
no objections and Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
I move we approve the Industrial Building for
Lot No. 7' with the following stipulations:
1. Brick — Homan, Buckeye Color.
To be used on all four elevations
2. Mortar — Grey in color.
3. Sheet Metal — Fabrel Tan No. 10
Steel with baked enamel finish.
4. Doors to be painted out to contrast
• with the brick— earth tone — all doors •
the same color.
5. Bronze anodized storefront on the South
and West elevations.
6. Interior downspouts.
7. Air conditioning units to be located •
on the South elevation, moved back from V
the front of the building. Unite are
approximately 24 inches high and are to V
be painted out a light blue/grey color •
8. All Bumper posts around the receiving and
shipping doors to be painted out the same
color as the doors.
9. Facia sheet metal to be painted out to match
the facia, as closely as possible.
10. Glass to be bronze tint.
Com. Ynaak seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye — Carr,
Ynaak,
Gibbs.,
Cea,
Hardt
Nay None
Notion Passed 5 to 0.
' 11r. Freiberg recalled the change in the previously approved building
from the rear elevation brick to cinder blocks painted out, has been
changed again, back to brick.
Ch. Hardt asked him to write a letter to the Building Department stating
the change, and the Commission will approve it.
All lighting will be presented at a later date. Wall packs are proposed.
#2. Building Mo. 5 - Industrial Building at the Commerce Center V
Mr. Freiberg presented the architecture, materials and colors for this
two tenant building. There were no objections or questions.
Com. Gibbs made the following motion:
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I move we 'approve the Industrial Building for Lot 5 with
the following stipulations:
1. Brick — Homan, Gran Tully, or equal if that
particular brick cannot be obtained.
To be used on all four elevations.
2. Mortar — Grey in Color
3. Front part of the building to be a bronze aluminum.
Trade name — Shadow Form.
4. Doors to be painted Off—White.
5. .Interior downspouts.
6. Roof unite to be set back approximately
17 feet from the front of the building,
and are to be painted out a light blue/grey
color.
7.. Bumper posts to be painted out — Off-White similar
to the overhead doors.
8. . Facia sheet metal to be painted out to
match the bronze facia color.
9. Glass to be bronze tint.
Com. Carr seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote — Aye Carr,
Knaak,
Gibbs,
Cea,
Hardt.
Nay — Hone
Motion Passed. 5 to 0. .
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SANDPIPER CONTI .J D:
- Mr. Lowenthal submitted a sketch of a new sign eliminating the lines,
logo, percentage and efice hours. Colors: Brown, Red and Yellow on White.
Be agreed to the stipulation that all other signs will be removed.
Com. Knaak suggested that the ground sign, East of Terrace Drive would be
a help to the project. The Commission agreed to leave it.
Coma Knaak made the following motion:
I move we approve the hand drawn sign submitted
by Sandpiper Condominiums as presented with the
following stipulations:
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Colors: Brown, Red and Yellow on White
Height: Not to exceed the height of buildings.
Time Period: Six Months
ALL other signage to be removed with the exception
of the low Sandpiper sign' (grey and white) prior
to issuance of permit.
Com. Cea seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: Aye - Carr, Snack, Cea,
Gibbs . ' .
Motion Passed 5 to 0. Nay — Hardt
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS — Mr. Balling was contacted regarding a Workshop with.the AC.
He suggested waiting until after vacation time. He will call
Ch. Hardt to arrange a time. He suggested the Commission give
y„S the Board some questions to review as background for discussion.
Chatham has painted a sign on the frame of a building,
VI. ADJOURNMENT — Com. Knaak made a motion to adjourn. Com. Gibbs seconded and
the motion adjourned at 11:35 P.M.
Respectfully submitte APPEARANCE COMMISSION
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