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APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY, JANUARY 12, 1989
I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Ed Larsen called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M. at
the Village Hall, 50 Raupp Blvd. on Thursday, January 12, 1989.
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: E. Bremner, D. Ehrhardt, R. Gordon,
M. Silbernik, F. Weissman and E. Larsen
Commissioners Absent: C. Bruno
Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Ed Schar, Building :inspector
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. December 8, 1988 -- Page 10, Lot 18 Klefstad, Landscaping:
Motion should read: Landscaping to be
approved "subject of Village Forester's
Review and Recommendations."
Motion to approve, as amended, was made by Com. Weissman
and seconded by Com. Ehrhardt.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Ehrhardt, Weissman and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - .Bremner, Gordon and Silbernik
Motion Passed - 3 to 0, 3 Abstentions
Klefstad will be notified of the amendment to minutes.
B. December 12, 1988 - Motion to approve as presented was
made by Comm. Silbernik and seconded by Com. Gordon.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Gordon and
Bremner
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Ehrhardt and Larsen
Notion Passed - 4 to 0, 2 Abstentions
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. Seigle's Home and Building Centers
Architecture - Skylight and Fence; Landscaping and Signage
Representatives: Mr. Marc Schwartz, Attorney
Mr. Harry Seigle, President of Seigle's
Mr. Joseph De Mercurio, Architect
Mr. Richard Burton, Landscape Architect
1 . ARCHITECTURE - Retail Building:
Mr. De Mercurio, JDM Associates, 35 Fountain Square Plaza,
Suite 209, Elgin, IL 60120 ( 312) 695-4408, reviewed the
previous discussion ( Dec. 22, 1988) and the decision to
Table to allow Commissioners to visit the Barrington store
to see the Barrel Vaulted Skylight and the amount of light
that was visible at night.
The second feature of the retail building that was Tabled
was the proposed fencing of the northern portion of the
front elevation to permit overnight storage of seasonal
sale items, such as fertilizer, peat moss, salt, etc.
There will be no storage sheds in this area.
Because the PUD agreement prohibited overnight storage
of any merchandise, the fence was referred back to the
Plan Commission for recommendation. Mr. Robert Pfeil,
Village Planner, subsequently referred the matter to the
Village Board, and it was discussed on January 9, 1989.
1 . Skylight - Ch. Larsen asked for the Commissioner's
comments:
a. Coin. Weissman: Saw the skylight at the Barring-
ton store, at night, and did not find the amount of
light that was emitted to be objectionable.
b. Com. Silbernik: Saw the skylight twice. Once
when the store was open and once when it was closed.
No problem when the store was closed and there was
not as much light being emitted as he had anticipated
with the store was open. His personal opinion is
that the skylight is more of a type of signage, or
identification feature and he is not in favor of it.
c. Com. Bremner: Saw that the skylight did not
spill much light, and therefore is not, offensive.
d. Com. Gordon and Com. Ehrhardt had no problem with
the skylight and did not comment.
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2. Fence - Mr. Schwartz advised the AC that he had made
a presentation to the Village Board on Jan. 9, 1989,
with regard to the proposed fence. He referred to
the letter from Mr. Balling, dated Jan. 10, 1989,
indicating the Trustee's agreement to treat the fence
as a minor change to the PUD, with the following
limitations=
1 . Merchandise must be seasonal in nature, intended
for retail marketing. The area is not meant for
storage purposes.
2. No cut lumber will be permitted for sale.
3. Outside display will be limited to the northern
portion of the westerly elevation. This portion
includes an enclosed cover, with a wrought iron
fence and a 9 foot high brick wall .
4. No signs are to be displayed on the outside of
the building.
a. No merchandise is to be displayed outside the
limits of the enclosed area.
Mr. Seigle said he would comply with these limita-
tions, and specifically #4, "no outside signage."
Mr. De Mercurio said the enclosed area is 17 Feet
deep and 64 feet in width. The first ti feet, next to
the fence, is an aisle, so the bulk of the material
will be kept near the building. The area has 3 gates
which will be kept locked at night. He added that
the area is about 350 feet back from the street.
Con. Silbernik said he has visited stores with
similar outside storage areas and the 8 foot fence
would not be aesthetically consistent with the Town
Center and the adjacent bank. He added that it would
have been advisable for the Appearance Commission to
have been represented at the Village Board meeting
when the fence was reviewed.
Mr. Schwartz responded that the issue was raised by
the Village Manager because of the PUD requirement.
Mr. Bailing has the authority to approve "minor"
changes, but the Trustees did not agree that it was a
minor change and asked for discussion. The recom-
mended referral back to the AC for aesthetic review.
The Village Board did not approve the fence on
January 9, 1988.
Mr. Seigle stated that, the seasonal material is left
outside at night, without fences, at their• other
centers. The brick wall with fencing is a new
concept developed by the ACE Hardware stores and
after a tour• visit to Mc Henry, IL it was decided
to change the original presentation.
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Mr. Schwartz added that Mr. Seigle has actually given
up the use of the southern portion of the building
for outside display of seasonal materials.
The fence was discussed. (The petitioner had been
informed at the Dec. 22, 1988 meeting that the wire
at the top was prohibited by the Fence Code. ) If the
fence is over 6 feet, it will require a ZBA
variance. Mr. Seigle indicated that he would agree
to more brick and less wrought iron fence. He also
said he would agree to reduce the height of the fence
to 6 feet, if the brick wall could remain at 8 feet
as proposed, for aesthetic purposes.
Com. Ehrhardt commented that with the setback of the
building, the nature of the business, and the purpose
of the fence, the AC should permit the enclosed area.
Com. Silbernik suggested that the fence would be more
aesthetically pleasing if it was painted to match the
brick.
Mr. De Mercurio and Mr. Seigle agreed to paint the
wrought iron fence Butternut Brown to match the wood
stockade fence.
Com. Weissman made the Following motion:
I move we approve the Seigle's outside storage
area as submitted, subject to the petitioner's
acceding to lowering the metal fence height to 6
feet, per the Fence Code, and subject to the
Bldg. Dept. 's interpretation of the brick
portion as a wail , with the petitioner's further
agreement that the metal fence be painted a
Butternut Brown Color, to match the tone of the
mass of brick. The storage area is approved
subject to the limitatior;5 set forth by the
Village Board, per letter dated .Jan. 10, 1989.
Con. Silbernik seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Bremner, Ehrhardt,
Silbernik, Weissman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
Ch. Larsen complemented 1r. Seigle on the outstanding
effort that has been made to achieve a most astheti-
caily attractive home center in keeping with the
Village's objectives.
The building was described briefly for the benefit of
the Commissioners who were not present on Dec . 22nd.
The only change that was made was the color of the
roof from Egyptian White to Classic Beige.
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The mstN,./part of the skylight is 3 - 1 inch
aluminum and the glass is tinted 25 -30% dark bronze.
Com. Gordon made a motion to approve Seigle's Home
and Building Centers Main Building, with materials as
submitted, including the Barrel Vaulted Skylight, per
the plan dated Dec. 7, 1988, with the stipulation
that the roof color be Classic Beige.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Ehrhardt,
Bremner, Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
2. LANDSCAPING: Tabled, Dec. 22, 1988 per R. Rigsby.
Mr. Richard Burton, Land Consultants, Inc. , Suite 205
1151 Old Mc Henry Road, B.G. , IL 60089 ( 913-0400 )
advised the AC that he has met with Mr. Ray Rigsby,
Village Forester and modifications have been made.
Mr. Rigsby 's Report, dated Jan. 12, 1989, indicates
that "the revised plan is acceptable and will provide
an aesthetically pleasing buffer between the Seigle
Home and Bldg. Center and the Woodstone Townhomes."
Mr. Burton said they have agreed to use larger trees
along Mc Henry Road and some trees have been added to
the parking islands. Additional trees will also be
provided along buffer area of the eastern boundary,
and at; the detention site. Existing plant material
will be used where possible.
The landscaping in front of the outside storage area
will probably be modified, but there will be room for
some shrubs and ground cover. Mr. Rigsby is aware of
this change.
Com. Silbernik made a motion to approve the
Landscaping for Seigle's Home and Building Centers
as submitted, per Mr. Rigsby 's approval, and subject
to modification of the outside storage area planting.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Ehrhardt,
Bremner, Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
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3. SIGNAGE: Off-premise Directional Sign.
Mr. Schwartz distributed copies of a new design and
asked for a recommendation to the Zoning Board of
Appeals for• an Off-premise Directional Sign to be
located on the North side of Bank Lane.
A directional sign has always been shown, at this
location, as a part of the plan.
Traffic flow was one of the main issues when the
project was discussed by the Plan Commission and the
Village Board. One of the concessions made by Mr.
Seigle was to agree that most of the traffic would
be funneled through the Bank Lane entrance.
Seigle's customers will be able to turn in from the
south, but because this is a Right In/Right Out
entrance, all traffic from the north must be made
aware of the access into Seigle's and Burger King
through Bank Lane.
Mr. Seigle has entered into agreement with the owner
of the property to the north to place this sign at
the corner.
Commissioner• Siibernik excused himself from the discussion
of the Seigle's signage.
Ch. Larsen asked why the petitioner is requesting a sign
for a piece of pr•oper•ty that is outside Village limits?
Mr. Schwartz replied that the property will eventually be
brought into the Village and a variance will be required
because it .is an Off-premise Directional Sign.
The Sign Code addresses Off-premise Signs, Sec. 14.20.080:
A. AC approval required and permit limited to
6 months with extensions subject to AC; and
B. must be 500 feet from primary sign
and Directional Signs ( Sec. 14.20. 150 ):
Area not to exceed twelve ( 1 2 ) .:q, feet and
maximum height shall be four ( 4 ) feet.
The proposed sign meets i:.he requirements for• both
sections. It is 2 ' 11 " x 2'6" = 5.49 square feet
and will be 4 feet high.
' Ch. Larsen said he spoke Lo Mr. Raysa and it is his
opinion that; this is an off-premise sign, with the
6 month permit subject to renewal after• AC review.
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Mr. Schwartz said he also spoke to Mr. Raysa and was
told that if the AC approves the sign, they will seek
variances for placement and to make it a permanent off-
premise sign.
Ch. Larsen said that an additional variance will be
required for spacing, tantamount to the sign being in B.G.
The sign will be double-faced and internally illuminated
Ch. Larsen said he viewed the original off-premise sign
with TO and the arrow > to be a directional sign for
trucks delivering materials, but with the explanation of
the traffic pattern, the ZBA would determine if hardship
has been established The new sign has added the Burger
King Logo and he would prefer to have only wording.
Mr. Seigle responded that they have been talking with two
major fast service restaurants, but have no lease with
either one of them at this time. Burger King was used as
an example and Mr. Seigle stated that he thought the
Burger King people would be agreeable to eliminating the
logo and using horizontal lettering. They would need the
entrance identification.
Ch. Larsen said the AC would want the opportunity to
approve the final copy and asked for a motion to the ZBA.
Com. Bremner made a motion to recommend to the Zoning
Board of Appeals, and the Village Board of Trustees, that
variances be granted to Seigle°s for an Off-premise sign,
subject to final AC approval of copy.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote= AYE - Weissman, Bremner, Ehrhardt,
Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Silbernik (Conflict of Interest)
Motion Passed - 5 to 0, 1 abstention.
B. Dartmoor - Landscaping/Canterbury Fields
Mike Schoppe, Hitchcock Design Group, 221 W. Jefferson,
Naperville, IL 60540, ( 312 ) 961-1787 made the presentation
The street tree program has a variety of trees, Maples and
Ash, with some Lindens and some Hackberry. They are
arranged primarily with two ( 2) trees per lot and lots
that have more frontage will have three ( 3 ) trees. They
are spaced about 50 feet apart.
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Detention Basins B & C will be sodded andSeive additional
trees. Detention Basin A will be sodded and will be
deeded to the Park District. The parkways and medians
will be sodded.
There will be a six (6) foot aluminum, picket fence along
both sides of Buffalo Grove Road, set back at the inter-
sections so there will not be any visibility problems. It
will have bars spaced 4 inches apart and will be Black.
Buffering was to have been included along the south
property line, but after Zale's Woodlands Commons plan was
developed with berms, fencing and landscaping, Dartmoor's
buffering was eliminated because it was unnecessary.
Mr. Schoeppe agreed to comply with Mr. Rigsby 's Review
and Recommendations, dated Dec. 8, 1988; if they are
required by Village Code. Mr. Rigsby has asked for the
parkway trees to be 40 foot on center; trees to be added
to the median along Buffalo Grove Road and trees added
along the rear yards on the south side of Port Clinton Rd.
The Code requirements will be discussed with Mr. Rigsby.
Mr. Schoeppe agreed to change the Poplar trees to River
Birch and the caliper of the pine trees will be increased
from 6 to 7 inches.
The question was raised as to who will be responsible for
putting up the street lighting?
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the Landscaping for
the Parkways and Streets for Dartmoor's Canterbury Lane
subdivision, subject to the petitioner's acceding to the
review and recommendations of the Village Forester.
Com. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Bremner,
Gordon, Ehrhardt and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
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V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Illinois Products Corporation - Temporary Sign
Presentation 14as made by Mr. Gordon Stapanak.
He described the temporary sign to be located on Lot 27
at the Arbor Creek Business Park parallel to Barclay Blvd.
It will be single faced, 8' x 4' and the height will be
8 feet. The two posts will be Green to match the sign
background.
There were no questions or objections.
Com. Silbernik made a motion to approve the temporary sign
as presented for Lot 27 at the Arbor• Creek Business Park.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Bremner,
Gordon, Ehrhardt and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
B. Town Center - Signage
Representatives: Mr. Marc Schwartz, Attorney
Mr. Glen M.Johnson, Project Coordinator and
Mr. Greg Kreegar, Asst. Project Coordinator
from Melvin Simon & Associates, Merchants Plaza,
P.O. Box 7033, Indianapolis, Indiana 46207
( 317) 2 63-7 045
Phil Kupritz, Architect
1 . Temporary "PROPERTY AVAILABLE" Signs:
Mr. Schwartz recalled that the Town Center consists of
55 acres of land. Some of this land is still available
for development. Nine (9) signs will be located along
Rt. 83 and Buffalo Grove Rd. They will be removed upon
sale and development of the property.
Com. Ehrhardt asked if the plans that have been seen by
the Appearance Commission are going to be changed?
Mr. Schwartz responded that after• the Village Board had
approved the proposed residential development, the plan
was modified when another developer came in. Now when the
out lots are being developed, each one will have to be
approved by the Plan Commission, Village Board and
Appearance Commission.
There is no intent to make any changes to the original
plan.
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Two large parcels are available: the office area and the
congregate care facility.
Mr. Kupritz added that the building designs and character
of Town Place has been established. If a developer chose
to deviate from this character, the plans would have to be
approved.
Mr. Schwartz said that the concept will remain the same.
It is a question of economics and development of the land.
Mr. Kupritz said that the Melvin Simon Associates are
working diligently to maintain the character of the land.
Their goal is to develop Town► Place as it was submitted
and approved.
Mr. Schwartz stated the entire B-5 Ordinance requires
certain ,consistency. The Village Board will maintain the
overall character. The land will not be developed piece-
meal. The overall concept was approved, but each portion
must be approved as it is developed.
Com. Silbernik comments that he understands there are a
number of different out parcels He added that it is the
_ general perception of the community is that the Town
Center was a parcel that is being developed by Melvin
Simon and Assoc. and Stan Lieberman. It is his opinion
that fewer signs strategically placed would serve the same
purpose of informing the public of "Property Available."
Mr. Schwartz responded that the frontage is very long and
the property has been plated into 4 parcels: all retail,
residential, office and congregate care.
Ch. Larsen informed the petitioners that temporary,
construction and leasing signs carry permit of one year.
If the property is sold or leased, the signs can be
changed to identify its use. Based on frontage of each
250 feet, the Code allows for a certain number of signs.
The signs proposed are 4'x 8' = 32 square feet and will be
8 feet tall. Posts will be Lt. Grey to match the base,
and the copy will be White on Darker Grey.
Com. Gordon made a motion to approve the Property
Available signs as submitted for Town Place, subject
to spacing and code review by the Building Department.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Bremner
Ehrhardt, Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
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2. Street Appurtenance (Pylon Signs )- Additional Signage
Mr. Kupritz described the pylon signs and requested the
addition of one primary tenant's identification sign per
pylon face. There could be two different primary tenants
on each of the three signs.
Mr. Schwartz recalled that the presentation of the
Street Furniture (Appurtenance) on Oct. 13, 1988 included
the discussion of additional signage for primary tenants.
Ch. Larsen asked if additional sign bands are going to be
requested in the future? The representatives stated that
it is their intent for only this one additional tenant
band to ever be requested.
The secondary sign will be no larger than the space
between one 2 foot brick design. The color will be
consistent with the Town Center color, but company letter
style may differ. Logos will be permitted, but signs with
logos will be submitted for AC approval.
Mr. Kupritz said the location of the sign band, above the
beam, was an aesthetic decision, chosen after review of
several other locations.
Ch. Larsen said that the usual restriction of signage
from 70% down to 33% where there is a pylon sign, does not
apply to centers with an established Sign Criteria.
Com. Bremner made the following motion:
I move we approve the additional tenant sign
panels as submitted For the Town Center Street
Appurtenance, with the following stipulations:
1 . Only one tenant per sign facing will be
allowed.
2. The color of the sign and copy will match
the Town Center identification.
3. Height of the additional signage is not
to exceed the height of one feature
strip which is approximately 2 feet.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Silbernik, Gordon,
Ehrhardt, Bremner and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 6 to 0.
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3. Multiple Tenant Signs:
Mr. Kupritz described the architecture of the Town Center
and requested. The building has a great deal of depth and
some tenants will have corner spaces. Will these tenants
be permitted to have multiple signs.
The B-5 Ordinance states that "More than one wall sign
may be permitted as a variation to this Title. . . .upon
recommendation of the architectural consultant and
approval by the Corporate Authorities."
Ch. Larsen recalled that the Sign Criteria actually
states, under General Requirements:
"Each tenant shall be allowed one illuminated
wall sign per street or lot facade" etc.
The section was worded this way to permit the signage
being requested. Ch. Larsen suggested that, where there
is a plaza, consideration be given to an additional Street
Appurtenance, listing the stores in the plaza.
The representatives thanked Ch. Larsen For clarifying
the issue.
No motion was necessary.
VI . ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ranch Mart's facade is being remodeled as presented last year.
Ch. Larsen remarked that with the colder weather, signs that
require maintenance are obvious. White neon does not light.
VII . ADJOURNMENT
Com. Bremner made a motion to adjourn.
Com. Silbernik seconded the motion.
Voice Vote: AYE - Unanimously
The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Shirley Bat ,
Recording Secretary
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