1989-10-26 - Appearance Commission - Minutes PPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1989
I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Ed Larsen called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M. at
the Village Hall, 50 Raupp Blvd. on Thurs. , October 26. 1989.
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: E. Bremner, D. Ehrhardt, C. Bruno,
R. Gordon, M. Silbernik, F. Weissman
and E. Larsen
Commissioners Absent: None
Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Charles Matt, Deputy Bldg. Commissioner
Bldg. Inspector: Ed Schar
Village Board Liaison: Michael O'Malley, Trustee
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Sept. 28, 1989 - Page 6, Toyota Vote: Add Gordon (AYE) and
Notion Passed - 4 to 1 .
Com. Silbernik made a motion to approve the Sept. 28, 1989 as
amended. Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Silbernik, Ehrhardt,
Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Bremner and Weissman
Motion Passed - 5 to 0, 2 abstentions.
Minutes of Sept. 28. 1989 approved and will be placed on file.
IV. BUSINESS
A. The Plaza at Buffalo Grove, Signage:
1 . f & M and 2. Odyssey Fitness Club
Don Parker, General Partner of BGP; Mark Degancy, Architect
and Joe Cheney, North Shore Sign Co. , 1925 Industrial Drive
Libertyville, IL 60048 (816-7020 ) were present.
Mr. Parker requested that the sign criteria for The Plaza
at Buffalo Grove be varied to include the spaces currently
occupied by F & H and Odyssey Fitness Club. Should the
spaces ever be vacated, signage would be needed for new
tenants. The proposed signs were described:
1 . F & M: The signage was discussed at a previous AC
meeting, but was omitted in the written Sign Criteria.
The original F & M letters will be installed on a
raceway, attached to the roof, and boxed in with
matching metal material . This location will place the
sign approximately 2-1/2' below the existing sign band.
2. Od ss F less Clubs The roof of i1/4.0i galleria area
is the s dark bronze anodized metal material as the
F & M space background. Mr. Parker requested a sign
for Odessey Fitness Club that would be installed on a
raceway (similar to F & 11) and mounted to the roof
fascia. Because a sign over the store front would not
be seen, this would be the only Odessey sign. The
letters will be white, 2' in height. The 32' length
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of the sign meets the 80% length of the storefront as
required by the criteria. The box would not run the
full length of the fascia.
The galleria extends out, east of the building, and the
Odessey sign will be about 3-1/2' above the sign bands
for the stores of Building B.
Com. Bruno said she could not visualize the signs and
wanted to see how they would look.
Hr. Degancy described the diagram. The nearest store to
the south of Odyssey is F & H, and going east, there are
two other stores under the galleria. Traveling north on
Buffalo Grove Road, the Odyssey sign will appear at a right
angle to the other two signs which will be in line with all
the rest of the signs on Building B, east to Blockbuster
Video. Hr. Parker was not certain if these signs would be
seen from the corner of Dundee and Buffalo Grove Roads.
The construction of the Odyssey sign was discussed. As
shown in the diagram, the 8" x 2'6" raceway would be
attached to a 10" bronze metal panel that would extend
about 8" above and 8" below the fascia.
Mr. Degancy explained that the ()limey letters cannot be
attached to the fascia, because it is steel. The metal
panel and raceway will be painted to match the dark bronze
roofing material .
Com. Gordon objected to the 8" projection below the fascia.
Because the length of the sign is less than the length of
the fascia, it does not fit with the building architecture.
Ch. Larsen suggested elimination of the raceway and instal-
lation of the letters directly on the 10" panel attached to
the fascia. The transformers can be built into the 10" box
and the ends enclosed.
Hr. Degancy and Mr. Cheney agreed that Ch. Larsen 's design
would be a viable alternative, and would eliminate the
extra sign box being attached to the front.
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Oh. Larsen ar -d what would happen if Od iey Fitness Club
closes, and 10,000 sf. is divided in three stores?
What kind of signage would they have?
Hr. Parker said the space is built for one tenant.
Ch. Larsen said the sign box could also be constructed with
routed out letters and neon tubing, but Mr. Parker replied
that they would prefer to keep the signage uniform, with
individual letters.
Regarding the F & M sign, Ch. Larsen recalled that the
front footage of that space would actually allow for much
more signage. They could have put up 2' letters across the
entire sign band. Since they have elected to keep the sign
simple, the proposal is very good.
Whether to recommend a variance to the Sign Criteria, or to
incorporate the additional signage into the Sign Criteria,
was discussed.
Hr. Matt said that in order for similar signage to be used
for other tenants, the proposal would have to be added to
the Sign Criteria. If the Sign Criteria was varied for
these two particular signs, other tenants may not be
entitled to have similar signage.
Com. Bruno said she would prefer to keep this signage
separated from the rest of The Plaza.
Com. Silbernik agreed it would be better to vary the Sign
Criteria for these two signs, because the AC cannot know
what will go into either space, should they be vacated.
Mr. Matt said the recommendation could include Appearance
Commission approval of all future tenant signage.
Mr. Parker responded that it mould make if very difficult
to lease space if signage could not be guaranteed. He
requested approval of the F & M sign band, so that he would
be able to offer the space with 2 foot letters, etc.
Ch. Larsen recommended two motions, one for the F & N space
and one for the galleria. He suggested that Mr. Parker
might want to consider leasing the galleria for $1 .00 per
year, in order to comply with the provision of the Sign
Code that tenants are permitted a sign over their store.
Mr. Matt said the AC could create exceptions to the Sign
Criteria by designating separate sections for each space.
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1 . Com. Weissman --ade the following motion: \./ ••
I move we amend the Sign Criteria for The Plaza at
Buffalo Grove, to add Item C, Paragraph 6:
TENANT SPACE NO. 16, known as 764 S. Buffalo Grove Rd.
can have a sign graphic area of 4'6" in height by 21 'in
length; and with one ( 1 ) line of up to 4 foot high
characters, centered under the atrium window of the
designated tenant space.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Clarification: The sign band, with the yellow "F and M"
letters, will be dark bronze anodized
aluminum, matching the roof, with the
ends of the sign band boxed. The mounting
brackets will be as illustrated in the
diagram - Exhibits A-1 & 2, Bldg. A East.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner, Ehrhardt, Weissman, Larsen
NAY - Bruno, Silbernik, Gordon
Motion Passed - 4 to 3.
2. Com. Weissman made the following motion:
I move we amend the Sign Criteria for The Plaza at
Buffalo Grove to add Item D, Section 6:
TENANT SPACE NO. 17, known as 760 S. Buffalo Grove Rd.
will have access to, and the right to, install a sign
on the facia of the galleria canopy. Letters, not to
exceed 24 inches in height, installed on a fabricated
metal box (same as F & 19 box) to incorporate all of the
electrical components as illustrated in Exhibit B - 2,
Bldg. B, without the raceway.
Clarification: The sign box will be the length of
the fascia and extend 8" above and below the fascia,
but the sign is not to exceed 2' 6" in height and
32' in length. The sign is to be mounted per the
description in Exhibits B - 1 & 2, Bldg. B.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bremner, Ehrhardt, Weissman, Larsen
NAY - Bruno, Silbernik and Gordon
Motion Passed - 4 to 3.
Petitioners were advised that the recommendations would be
sent to the Village Board, November 6, 1989. Mr. Cheney
was advised to submit the Amended Sign Criteria Sections ,
including diagrams, to Mr. Matt by Wed. , November 1 , 1989.
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B. New Cherbourg /S.►dels, Pulte Home CorporatiSmei
1 . Maisons ( replacing the Bordeaux )
2. Orleans (replacing the Fontaine)
Mr. Tim Hernandez, Director of Planning, Pulte Home Corp. ,
2500 Higgins Road, Suite 770, Hoffman Estates, IL 60195
made the presentation. Ms. Debbie Crimmins, Project
Manager and Paul Schind, Superintendent, were also present.
Mr. Hernandez explained that the development is successful
but project sales are unbalanced. Two (2) models are
popular, but the other two (2) models have not sold as
well. He requested substitution of these two models in
order to accelerate sales, and maintain Pulte's commitment
to the Monotony Code.
The Maisons and The Orleans have the same Country French
architecture, the same brick, trim and siding materials,
the same color packages, same windows, garage doors, and
the same architecture features, etc. These units are
slightly larger than the previous models.
These models will blend very well with the existing models.
There will never be a blank elevation. There will be no
front skylights. The skylights on the front elevations of
the models were constructed in error, and when they were
advised of this, they stopped building them.
There were no questions or objections.
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the addition of
The Maisons and The Orleans models, to replace The Bordeaux
and The Fontaine models, as submitted, for Cherbourg.
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE: Weissman, Gordon, Ehrhardt, Bremner,
Silbernik, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
C. Chevy Chase Business Park West - Buildings 3 and 4
Architecture/Materials/Landscaping/Lighting
Mr. John Baxter, Hamilton Partners, 1130 Lake/Cook Road,
Buffalo Grove, IL 60089; Mr. Greg Pradun, Wilson/Jenkins,
Architects, 300 Park Blvd. , Suite 250, Itasca, IL 60143
(250-9177 ) and Ms. Elizabeth Sesemann, Landscape Architect,
By Design, Inc. 8600 W. Bryn Mawr Ave. , Chgo, IL 60631
were present. Mr. Baxter gave an overview of the site plan
and Mr. Pardun described the buildings.
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1 . Building be a spec building, cohilw4ructed south
of Buildings 1 and 2. It will have 150,000* square
feet, and it will be similar in construction and
architecture to the other buildings in Chevy Chase
Business Park and Chevy Chase Business Park East.
This will be a warehouse building, commonly used by
distributors in the Chicago area.
Materials:
a. Precast concrete - Walls - Light Grey, Dark Grey
Canopy - Dark Grey
b. Metal panels - - - Dark Grey
b. Window mullions - - Black
c. Glass - Tinted grey, will appear black
d. Truck doors - Light Grey
e. Bumpers - Black
Com. Silbernik made a motion to approve the Architecture
and Materials for Bldg. 3, Chevy Chase Business Park West,
as submitted, to include screening of all rooftop units.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Gordon, Ehrhardt, Bremner,
Silbernik, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
Landscaping: Ms. Sesemann described the plan and said the
plant selections are similar to the rest of Chevy Chase.
There will be ground covers with evergreen shrubs at the
entrances. Trees between the buildings screen the parking
lot and cool the buildings. The berm will be 4-4-1/2 feet.
The Forester's Report, dated Oct. 23, 1989 states the
overall plan is acceptable. Ms. Sesemann agreed to comply
with Mr. Rigsby 's recommendations, including #1 , the
planting regulations.
In response to Com. Gordon's comment that the garage doors
should have more screening, Ms. Sesemann indicated the
14'10" concrete wall that will screen the trucks, etc. from
Hastings Lane. The Commissioners agreed this was adequate.
Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the Landscaping for
Bldg. 3, Chevy Chase Business Park West, as submitted.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Gordon, Ehrhardt, Bremner,
Silbernik, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
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• LIGHTING:
Mr. Baxter said the lighting fixtures mould match those in
the rest of the Chevy Chase Business Parks. The parking
lots will have pole lights and there will be wal-pacs on
the buildings. Photometrics will be provided for the
Village Engineer's approval .
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the Lighting as
submitted for Building 3 at the Chevy Chase Business Park
West, using the same type fixtures, poles, heights, etc.
as previously approved, subject to the Village Engineer's
review and approval.
Com. Silbernik seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Gordon, Ehrhardt, Bremner,
Silbernik, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
2. Building 4 is smaller, 137,000 sf. but very similar to
Building 3. It is also a combination of glass and precast
concrete panels. Because it is located at the entrance to
the Park, next to the lake, it is a feature building.
Materials:
a. Metal canopy - - Forest Green (Flourapon Corp) and
Light Grey
The green matches Zierk's. Also used for the stripes.
b. Precast panels - Forest Green and Light Grey
c. Freight doors - Light Grey.
d. Window Mullions - Black
e. Glass - - Tinted Grey
Com. Bremner made a motion to approve the Architecture and
Materials for Bldg. 4, Chevy Chase Business Park West, as
submitted, to include screening of all roof top units.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Silbernik, Bremner, Ehrhardt,
Gordon, Weissman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
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LANDSCAPING: N./. Sesemann said they have 66d the same
theme, with similar plant material. Additional landscaping
has been added to the lake area, and the entrance has extra
detail planting. The plant material is larger size because
this is an upscale building.
The Village Forester's Review, dated October 23, 1989,
states the overall plan is acceptable and consistent with
the master plan developed for the Business Park.
Com. Silbernik made`a motion to approve the Landscape Plan
for Building 4, Chevy Chase Business Park West, as
submitted, subject to the Village Forester's review.
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Weissman, Gordon, Ehrhardt, Bremner,
Silbernik, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
LIGHTING: Same stipulations as Building 3.
Com. Silbernik made a motion to approve the Lighting for
Building 4, Chevy Chase Business Park West, as submitted,
with the stipulation that the fixtures, poles, height, etc.
will match the rest of the Park, subject to the Village
Engineer's review and approval.
Com. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Silbernik, Bremner, Ehrhardt,
Gordon, Weissman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 7 to 0.
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS
A. The Chrysler sign faces have been removed and boarded up.
B. Mr. Matt reported that Mr. Rolfs told him the shields are
being put up at Federal Express.
C . Cresthil - There is no landscaping on the north side of
lake. That land is owned by Hamilton Partners and Mr. Matt
will locate the master plan to verify what is going there.
D. Ch. Larsen said the lights outlining the top of the Town
Center buildings were not approved by the AC.
Mr. Matt recalled installation of a plexiglas channel with
the lights, and he will research the AC plans and minutes.
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E. Mr. Matt asked`.br an AC poll concerning sights on
buildings. Can they be in any location? Should they be
restricted from the fronts of any building? If so, why?
The question was raised because people are building some
very expensive homes in Buffalo Grove, and they like the
natural light that comes from skylights in the roof.
It is not feasible to have a blanket restriction on front
elevation skylights.
Com. Bruno said there is a wide variety of skylights. She
would want to see what is proposed and would not agree to
permit every type of skylight
Mr. Matt said restriction to certain styles would create
different problems than to restrict them from front
elevations altogether. Calls are coming in from residents
and potential buyers requesting skylights.
Ch. Larsen said the code does not restrict skylights. It
has been the policy of the AC to review and approve them.
Some styles of architecture would not be compatible with
skylights, i.e. Williamsburg/Colonial, etc.
Com. Silbernik said he has no problem with skylights, if
the materials are brought in for approval. He thought it
was a code not to have them on front elevations.
Com. Weissman said he had always thought it was a code,
too, and he agreed that styles should be reviewed.
Com. Larsen said it would not be appropriate to have a
blanket restriction. It is a matter of style and taste,
which would come under the purview of the AC. Some
petitioners have agreed not to put them on the front
elevations.
The Commissioners agreed that review should continue.
VI . ADJOURNMENT
Com. Silbernik made a motion to adjourn. Com. Bremner seconded.
Ch. Larsen adjourned the meeting at 9:20 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Shirley Bates
Recording Secretary
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THE PLAZA AT BUFFALO GROVE
AMENDMENT TO SIGN CRITERIA, PARAGRAPH 6
C. Tenant space No. 16, 764 South Buffalo Grove Road, (presently
occupied.by -F &_.M) will be allowed a-t-otally-enclosed, front
and sides, raceway that will be made to match the dark bronze
aluminum roof. The raceway will be 4'6" in height and will
span 21'0". It will-be centered under the atrium window. F & M
will be allowed to re-install their original letters with yellow
faces on this raceway. See Exhibits A-1 & 2, Bldg. A East.
D. Tenant space No. 17, 760 South Buffalo Grove Road, (presently
occupied by Odyssey Fitness Club) will have access to, and the
right to install a sign on the face of the galleria canopy. The
letters will be 2'0" high and will be mounted on a totally enclosed,
front, sides and back, raceway which will be 'made to match the
dark bronze aluminum roof. The raceway will be 2'6" in height
and will span 32'0". See Exhibits B-1 & 2, Bldg. B.
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