1989-11-09 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 1989
I . CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Eddie Larsen called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M.
at the Village Hall, 50 Raupp Blvd. , on Thursday, Nov. 9, 1989.
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: E. Larsen, R. Gordon and M. Silbernik
Commissioners Absent: E. Bremner, D. Ehrhardt, C. Bruno, and
F. Weissman
Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Charles Matt, Deputy Bldg. Commissioner
Bldg. Dept. Inspector: Ed Schar
Village Board Liaison: Michael O'Malley, Trustee
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
October 26, 1989 - Page 2, Odyssey Fitness Club, clarification:
2. The length of the fascia is 40 feet,
but the length of the sign will be
32 feet, 80% of the fascia, per Sign
Code.
Com. Gordon made a motion to approve the minutes of the
October 26, 1989 as clarified. Com. Silbernik seconded.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Silbernik, Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0. Minutes of October 26, 1989 were
approved and will be placed on file.
The amendments to the Sign Criteria for The Plaza at Buffalo
Grove with reference to F & M and Odyssey Fitness Club, have
been submitted with revised drawings. These documents will be
distributed for addition to the Sign Package books.
IV. BUSINESS
a. Seigle's Home and Building Center, Off-premise sign
Route 83, north of Bank Lane.
Mr. Marc Schwartz, attorney, explained the situation and
described the site plan. The proposed sign will be located
on a 6' x 20 ' parcel of land, north of Bank Lane, that is
pending annexation. This item will be on the Village Board
Agenda, Dec. 6, 1989. Staff has requested Appearance Com-
mission aesthetic review and recommendation of the sign.
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The off-premise directional sign will be 3' x 4' with white
copy on a dark bronze background in a dark bronze frame and
cabinet. The height of the sign will be 3 feet. Copy will
be Seigle's and Wendy 's in their logo style lettering, with
an arrow. Wendy's has not executed a contract (as of this
date) and Mr. Schwartz requested the option of adding a
different, nationally franchised, food chain 's name. If •
this is necessary, Seigle's could be lowered and centered,
or, preferably, the bottom panel could be left blank until
a tenant has been determined.
Mr. Schwartz explained that the situation is complex.
There was much discussion about the traffic situation,
and the Village permitted Seigle's entrance on Route 83 to
be right-in/right-out only. Southbound traffic must enter
Seigle's ( and the fast food restaurant) from Bank Lane.
The Buffalo Grove traffic engineer made the proposal to
have a directional sign north of Bank Lane, but it will
have to be an off-premise sign and must be granted by
ordinance.
Mr. Matt said there has been some discussion about having
more than one business on a directional sign. The sign, if
approved under Section 14.20.080 (Off premise signs ):
Section A requires AC approval for renewal every 6 months;
Subsection B.6. states that "Site directional signs shall
conform to all the requirements for off-premise signs.
Section 14.20.150 exempts directional signs, if they are
a maximum of 12 sq. ft. , with a maximum height of 4 feet.
Copy is not specifically limited to one business per sign.
Ch. •Larsen said he has no objection to the sign, but he
expressed concern about the 3 foot height because it will be
blocked by snow during the winter. It is his interpreta-
tion that Section 14.20.080 permits the size of Off-premise
signs to be regulated by the Table. Seigle's frontage
could qualify for a sign up to 60 square feet in size.
Mr. Schwartz responded. They are following the direction
of the Village Attorney and requesting variances to the
Sign Code, which will be granted along with the ordinance.
Variances will include the 250 foot distance ( to the bank
pylon ), the setback requirement and the 6 month renewal
requirement. He added that the 12 square foot size is
sufficient, but the agreed the sign could be higher. He
suggested the sign could be mounted on a pedestal . This
situation is a complex issue because there is no specific
slot 'for the sign in the Code.
Ch. Larsen agreed the AC would not want to review the sign
semiannually. Another way to raise it would be to set it
on a berm with some landscaping at the base.
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Mr. Matt sumviLized the situation. The VS,.,,dage Attorney is
in the process of putting an ordinance together to cover
the sign and its placement with regard to the variances to
the existing Sign Code. The purpose of the AC review is to
give aesthetic approval , and the Village Board will proceed
from there. The parcel will become Village property.
Mr. Schwartz concluded by stating the sign is critical to
Seigle's business. The north 1 /2 of Bank Lane is dedicated
but not annexed to the Village. The land north of Bank
Lane is owned by a land trust and Seigle's has entered into
an agreement with the land owner to purchase the "Sign
Parcel" which is the 6 ft. x 20 ft. strip of the easement
that will be annexed. Seigle's is satisfied with the sign
as it is being submitted, but it could be raised some, and
it will be illuminated.
Com. Gordon had no questions or objections to the sign.
Com. Silbernik did not comment because he is affiliated
with Mc Donald 's Corporation, and he will abstain.
Com. Gordon made the following recommendation to the
Village Board:
I move we approve the off-premise sign, as submitted
by Seigle's, to be located at the northeast corner of
Bank Lane and Rt. 83 on a parcel of land 6 ft. x 20 ft.
with the stipulation that should the secondary tenant,
• Wendy's, not use that portion of the, sign, said portion
shall be made available to another tenant with Seigle's
remaining in the same position as shown on the layout,
and subject to Appearance Commission approval .
Ch. Larsen seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Silbernik (Conflict of interest)
Motion Passed - 2 to 0, 1 abstention
Ch. Larsen affirmed with Mr. Schwartz that the base of the
sign will be landscaped.
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B. Willis & Kaplar :ngineers - 720 Armstrong 1i./.tve
Signage and Lighting for Monument Wall
Mr. Matthew Miller, Mc Lerman & Thebault, Inc. Architects
526 Aldine, Park Ridge, IL 60068 (228-6700 ) made the
presentation.
The building, located at the Buffalo Grove' Commerce Canter,
has been completed. Mr. Miller presented as rendering of
the building showing a 3'4" x 10 ' matching brick wall that
was to be used for signage. He recalled that the wall was
submitted for AC approval but the copy was to be submitted
at a later date.
The copy will read WILLIS & KAPLAN in 8 inch cast aluminum
letters, with ENGINEERS ( centered ) in 6 inch cast aluminum
letters. Total length of the sign will be O'6" and it will
have ground illumination, per the diagram.
Mr. Matt .observed that the site plan shows the br•i.ck wall
perpendicular to the lot line, and he informed Mr. Miller
that the sign must be 10 feet From the property line.
Ch. Larsen informed Mr. Miller that if the wail is not
properly set back, the owners can apply for a variance.
The commissioners had no objections to the proposed sign.
Com. Silbernik made a motion to recommend to the Zoning
Board of Appeals, approval of the Willis & tap}an/Engineers
letters on the brick monument sign, with ground lighting,
as submitted .
Coin. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Silbernik and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
C . Motorola - 887 Deerfield Parkway
Non-illuminated Permanent Monument Sign
Representatives were not present, but the sign was reviewed
Letters will be White Vinyl , and the background will be 1 /9
inch aluminum plate. The base will be . 080 aluminum. Copy
will have the Logo and MOTOROLA on the first line, with
Lighting, Inc . below.
The sign must; meet the required setback as shown on the
site plan.
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Com. Gordon made a motion to approve the sign as presented
by Motorola Lighting, Inc. at 887 Deerfield Parkway.
Com. Silbernik seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon and Larsen
NAY - Silbernik (because Motorola was not
represented)
D. Fiore - Doubletree Subdivision, Unit 15
Three ( 3) new models for the 3400 series
Mr. Tom Pitman, Project Architect/Johnston Associates, Inc.
1410 Higgins Road, Park Ridge, IL 60068 ( 698-3770 ) and
Mr. Robert Nielsen, Zale Group, made the presentation.
Mr. Pitman explained that these models will have the same
floor plan as the 3400 series. Only the elevations have
been changed. They have more gables, steeper roof pitches,
different sizes and window arrangements (some larger and
some with rounded tops ) and a bay has been added to one
elevation. The new front elevations are almost 100% brick,
except for the area over the garage.
The same materials, color packages, brick, siding, roof
shingles, etc. that have been previously approved, for the
Woodlands and Doubletree subdivisions, will be used.
The setback difference between the first garage and the
second garage will be 8 inches, to provide relief for the
roof line and gables. The doorway of Elevation #1 is
recessed about 1 foot so that the roof and gable stand out.
These three elevations will be offered in addition to the
three previously approved 3400 series elevations. Some of
others have been already been sold in the Doubletree
subdivision. Mr. Pitman added that the Monotony Code will
not be affected because these elevations are significantly
different.
Mr. Matt confirmed this statement and added that his staff
also compares elevations with the site plans before permits
are issued.
Coin. Silbernik made a motion to approve the 3 additional
elevations of the 3400 model series as submitted by the
Zale Group for the Doubletree Subdivision at Fiore.
Com. Gordon seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Silbernik and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
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Ch. Larsen quoted a letter from Wm. Peterson, Vernon
Township Supervisor, which stated they mould have no
objection if Doubletree entrance signs were to be located
at Buffalo Grove Road and Whispering Oaks Drive, with these
stipulations: 1 ) they are to be within the easement area;
and, 2) they are to be maintained by a homeowner's assn.
Mr. Nielsen said he had inquired about some signs to be
located within the landscaped area of the retention pond,
but was informed that they would require a variance.
Mr. Matt explained the unusual circumstances. The property
in question is currently owned by Zale. It will, however,
become Village property or Park District property. The
proposal was for two Doubletree permanent entrance signs
with no advertising. If this is not Village property, one
monument mould be permitted, and the other would require a
variance. Mr. Matt has suggested temporary construction
signage identifying the Doubletree Subdivision, because
there mould be a time limit attached to the permit.
Mr. Raysa mould have to be consulted before proceeding.
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS
1 . There mill be a Special AC Meeting on November 30, 1989.
There are some submittals and the commissioners mere polled
to assure a quorum. Proper notification will be made.
2. Ch. Larsen asked Mr. Matt to research the "old" Hidden Lake
sign that is located on private property at Busch Road and
Route 83. Permits have not been renewed for many years.
Mr. Matt responded that the property has been sold and the
contracts involve the leasing of the off-premise sign. He
will research the matter.
3. Trustee O'Malley asked Mr. Matt to check the satellite dish
on the roof of the Clifford Chrysler building.
VI . ADJOURNMENT
Com. Silbernik made a motion to adjourn. Com. Gordon seconded.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Shirley Bates,
Recording Secretary
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