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1989-11-09 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 1989 I . CALL TO ORDER Chairman Eddie Larsen called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M. at the Village Hall, 50 Raupp Blvd. , on Thursday, Nov. 9, 1989. II . ROLL CALL Commissioners Present: E. Larsen, R. Gordon and M. Silbernik Commissioners Absent: E. Bremner, D. Ehrhardt, C. Bruno, and F. Weissman Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Charles Matt, Deputy Bldg. Commissioner Bldg. Dept. Inspector: Ed Schar Village Board Liaison: Michael O'Malley, Trustee III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES October 26, 1989 - Page 2, Odyssey Fitness Club, clarification: 2. The length of the fascia is 40 feet, but the length of the sign will be 32 feet, 80% of the fascia, per Sign Code. Com. Gordon made a motion to approve the minutes of the October 26, 1989 as clarified. Com. Silbernik seconded. Roll Call Vote: AYE - Silbernik, Gordon and Larsen NAY - None Motion Passed - 3 to 0. Minutes of October 26, 1989 were approved and will be placed on file. The amendments to the Sign Criteria for The Plaza at Buffalo Grove with reference to F & M and Odyssey Fitness Club, have been submitted with revised drawings. These documents will be distributed for addition to the Sign Package books. IV. BUSINESS a. Seigle's Home and Building Center, Off-premise sign Route 83, north of Bank Lane. Mr. Marc Schwartz, attorney, explained the situation and described the site plan. The proposed sign will be located on a 6' x 20 ' parcel of land, north of Bank Lane, that is pending annexation. This item will be on the Village Board Agenda, Dec. 6, 1989. Staff has requested Appearance Com- mission aesthetic review and recommendation of the sign. .F "1 The off-premise directional sign will be 3' x 4' with white copy on a dark bronze background in a dark bronze frame and cabinet. The height of the sign will be 3 feet. Copy will be Seigle's and Wendy 's in their logo style lettering, with an arrow. Wendy's has not executed a contract (as of this date) and Mr. Schwartz requested the option of adding a different, nationally franchised, food chain 's name. If • this is necessary, Seigle's could be lowered and centered, or, preferably, the bottom panel could be left blank until a tenant has been determined. Mr. Schwartz explained that the situation is complex. There was much discussion about the traffic situation, and the Village permitted Seigle's entrance on Route 83 to be right-in/right-out only. Southbound traffic must enter Seigle's ( and the fast food restaurant) from Bank Lane. The Buffalo Grove traffic engineer made the proposal to have a directional sign north of Bank Lane, but it will have to be an off-premise sign and must be granted by ordinance. Mr. Matt said there has been some discussion about having more than one business on a directional sign. The sign, if approved under Section 14.20.080 (Off premise signs ): Section A requires AC approval for renewal every 6 months; Subsection B.6. states that "Site directional signs shall conform to all the requirements for off-premise signs. Section 14.20.150 exempts directional signs, if they are a maximum of 12 sq. ft. , with a maximum height of 4 feet. Copy is not specifically limited to one business per sign. Ch. •Larsen said he has no objection to the sign, but he expressed concern about the 3 foot height because it will be blocked by snow during the winter. It is his interpreta- tion that Section 14.20.080 permits the size of Off-premise signs to be regulated by the Table. Seigle's frontage could qualify for a sign up to 60 square feet in size. Mr. Schwartz responded. They are following the direction of the Village Attorney and requesting variances to the Sign Code, which will be granted along with the ordinance. Variances will include the 250 foot distance ( to the bank pylon ), the setback requirement and the 6 month renewal requirement. He added that the 12 square foot size is sufficient, but the agreed the sign could be higher. He suggested the sign could be mounted on a pedestal . This situation is a complex issue because there is no specific slot 'for the sign in the Code. Ch. Larsen agreed the AC would not want to review the sign semiannually. Another way to raise it would be to set it on a berm with some landscaping at the base. APPEARANCE COMMISSION November 9, 1989 - Page Two Mr. Matt sumviLized the situation. The VS,.,,dage Attorney is in the process of putting an ordinance together to cover the sign and its placement with regard to the variances to the existing Sign Code. The purpose of the AC review is to give aesthetic approval , and the Village Board will proceed from there. The parcel will become Village property. Mr. Schwartz concluded by stating the sign is critical to Seigle's business. The north 1 /2 of Bank Lane is dedicated but not annexed to the Village. The land north of Bank Lane is owned by a land trust and Seigle's has entered into an agreement with the land owner to purchase the "Sign Parcel" which is the 6 ft. x 20 ft. strip of the easement that will be annexed. Seigle's is satisfied with the sign as it is being submitted, but it could be raised some, and it will be illuminated. Com. Gordon had no questions or objections to the sign. Com. Silbernik did not comment because he is affiliated with Mc Donald 's Corporation, and he will abstain. Com. Gordon made the following recommendation to the Village Board: I move we approve the off-premise sign, as submitted by Seigle's, to be located at the northeast corner of Bank Lane and Rt. 83 on a parcel of land 6 ft. x 20 ft. with the stipulation that should the secondary tenant, • Wendy's, not use that portion of the, sign, said portion shall be made available to another tenant with Seigle's remaining in the same position as shown on the layout, and subject to Appearance Commission approval . Ch. Larsen seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon and Larsen NAY - None ABSTAIN - Silbernik (Conflict of interest) Motion Passed - 2 to 0, 1 abstention Ch. Larsen affirmed with Mr. Schwartz that the base of the sign will be landscaped. • APPEARANCE COMMISSION November 9, 1989 - Page Three B. Willis & Kaplar :ngineers - 720 Armstrong 1i./.tve Signage and Lighting for Monument Wall Mr. Matthew Miller, Mc Lerman & Thebault, Inc. Architects 526 Aldine, Park Ridge, IL 60068 (228-6700 ) made the presentation. The building, located at the Buffalo Grove' Commerce Canter, has been completed. Mr. Miller presented as rendering of the building showing a 3'4" x 10 ' matching brick wall that was to be used for signage. He recalled that the wall was submitted for AC approval but the copy was to be submitted at a later date. The copy will read WILLIS & KAPLAN in 8 inch cast aluminum letters, with ENGINEERS ( centered ) in 6 inch cast aluminum letters. Total length of the sign will be O'6" and it will have ground illumination, per the diagram. Mr. Matt .observed that the site plan shows the br•i.ck wall perpendicular to the lot line, and he informed Mr. Miller that the sign must be 10 feet From the property line. Ch. Larsen informed Mr. Miller that if the wail is not properly set back, the owners can apply for a variance. The commissioners had no objections to the proposed sign. Com. Silbernik made a motion to recommend to the Zoning Board of Appeals, approval of the Willis & tap}an/Engineers letters on the brick monument sign, with ground lighting, as submitted . Coin. Gordon seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Silbernik and Larsen NAY - None Motion Passed - 3 to 0. C . Motorola - 887 Deerfield Parkway Non-illuminated Permanent Monument Sign Representatives were not present, but the sign was reviewed Letters will be White Vinyl , and the background will be 1 /9 inch aluminum plate. The base will be . 080 aluminum. Copy will have the Logo and MOTOROLA on the first line, with Lighting, Inc . below. The sign must; meet the required setback as shown on the site plan. APPEARANCE COMMISSION iJoverrbe r 9, 1989 - Page Four Com. Gordon made a motion to approve the sign as presented by Motorola Lighting, Inc. at 887 Deerfield Parkway. Com. Silbernik seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon and Larsen NAY - Silbernik (because Motorola was not represented) D. Fiore - Doubletree Subdivision, Unit 15 Three ( 3) new models for the 3400 series Mr. Tom Pitman, Project Architect/Johnston Associates, Inc. 1410 Higgins Road, Park Ridge, IL 60068 ( 698-3770 ) and Mr. Robert Nielsen, Zale Group, made the presentation. Mr. Pitman explained that these models will have the same floor plan as the 3400 series. Only the elevations have been changed. They have more gables, steeper roof pitches, different sizes and window arrangements (some larger and some with rounded tops ) and a bay has been added to one elevation. The new front elevations are almost 100% brick, except for the area over the garage. The same materials, color packages, brick, siding, roof shingles, etc. that have been previously approved, for the Woodlands and Doubletree subdivisions, will be used. The setback difference between the first garage and the second garage will be 8 inches, to provide relief for the roof line and gables. The doorway of Elevation #1 is recessed about 1 foot so that the roof and gable stand out. These three elevations will be offered in addition to the three previously approved 3400 series elevations. Some of others have been already been sold in the Doubletree subdivision. Mr. Pitman added that the Monotony Code will not be affected because these elevations are significantly different. Mr. Matt confirmed this statement and added that his staff also compares elevations with the site plans before permits are issued. Coin. Silbernik made a motion to approve the 3 additional elevations of the 3400 model series as submitted by the Zale Group for the Doubletree Subdivision at Fiore. Com. Gordon seconded the motion. Roll Call Vote: AYE - Gordon, Silbernik and Larsen NAY - None Motion Passed - 3 to 0. APPEARANCE COMMISSION November 9, 1989 - Page Five - N- Ch. Larsen quoted a letter from Wm. Peterson, Vernon Township Supervisor, which stated they mould have no objection if Doubletree entrance signs were to be located at Buffalo Grove Road and Whispering Oaks Drive, with these stipulations: 1 ) they are to be within the easement area; and, 2) they are to be maintained by a homeowner's assn. Mr. Nielsen said he had inquired about some signs to be located within the landscaped area of the retention pond, but was informed that they would require a variance. Mr. Matt explained the unusual circumstances. The property in question is currently owned by Zale. It will, however, become Village property or Park District property. The proposal was for two Doubletree permanent entrance signs with no advertising. If this is not Village property, one monument mould be permitted, and the other would require a variance. Mr. Matt has suggested temporary construction signage identifying the Doubletree Subdivision, because there mould be a time limit attached to the permit. Mr. Raysa mould have to be consulted before proceeding. V. ANNOUNCEMENTS 1 . There mill be a Special AC Meeting on November 30, 1989. There are some submittals and the commissioners mere polled to assure a quorum. Proper notification will be made. 2. Ch. Larsen asked Mr. Matt to research the "old" Hidden Lake sign that is located on private property at Busch Road and Route 83. Permits have not been renewed for many years. Mr. Matt responded that the property has been sold and the contracts involve the leasing of the off-premise sign. He will research the matter. 3. Trustee O'Malley asked Mr. Matt to check the satellite dish on the roof of the Clifford Chrysler building. VI . ADJOURNMENT Com. Silbernik made a motion to adjourn. Com. Gordon seconded. The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P.M. Respectfully submitted, 400 _ A (L:X.-e,a_ Shirley Bates, Recording Secretary sb APPEARANCE COMMISSION November 9, 1989 - Page Six