1988-02-11 - Appearance Commission - Minutes � ^
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APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11 , 1988
I ^ CALL T{}_ORDER
Chairman Ed Larsen called the meeting to order at 8:00 P.M. at
the Village Hall , on Thursday, February 11 , 1988.
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II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: E. Larsen , C. Bruno and H. Riebman
Commissioners Absent: M. Mc Call , B. Owens, E. Bremner , and
D. Ehrhardt. QUORUM PRESENT
Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Dominic J. Saviano, Jr. ,
Deputy Building Commissioner
Village Board Liaison: M. Kowalski , Trustee
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
January 28, 1988 - Corrections: Page 2, A. (sp. ) Illumination
Page 4, para 4: transformers (plural ) and
Ch. Larsen 's comment should read: "in cold
weather the NEON (not lights) won 't go on. "
Page 8, Workshop - Ch. Larsen concluding
statement should begin: "The AC no longer
has an adversarial relationship with the
business community, but it now attempts to
work closer with petitioners to meet our
aesthetic objectives. "
Coin. Bruno made a motion to approve the minutes of Jan. 28, 1988
as corrected. Coin. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
Jan. 28, 1988 minutes were approved and will be placed on file.
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IV. BUSINESS
A. Woodland Commons Shopping Center (Zale) \
Coldwell Banker - Ground Siqn on RqLde 22 '
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Mr. David Seabolt made the presentation. The sign will be
located on Route 22. It is V-shaped and will be no larger
than 120 square feet.
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Colors will be Blue, White and Black with Red, typical of .
the Coldwell Banker signs.
Ch. Larsen instructed Mr. Seabolt to repaint the sign if \
any changes are made. He requested the posts to be painted \
White and Mr. Seabolt agreed. The sign will be approved
for a period of 1 year , with extensions granted by�the Code
Administrator.
Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the Coldwell Banker sign
as submitted , with the conditions that the posts be painted
White and the sign to be repainted if copy is changed.
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman , Bruno, and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
B. Amley 50 Property - Sales Trailer and Parking Area
Route 22 o Grove sion)
Mr. Robert Nielsen , of Zale Group , made the presentation.
The sales trailer will be located at the Northwest corner of
the Amley Property, which will ultimately be dedicated to
the Park District. Mr. Rylko has been advised of this
project, and he has no objection as long as the trailer is
removed before dedication.
Photos of a similar sales trailer were submitted. It is
customary to build a deck and landscaping will be obtained
from the Fiore Nursery stock. The parking lot will be
grevel and accomodate 20 cars, with 2 handicaped spaces.
The location will be seen from Route 22 and will promote
sales of the 27 lots which will eventually be accessed from
Buffalo Grove Road after it has been constructed next year.
There will not be any permanent models, and after the lots
are sold , the trailer will be removed , the gravel will be
recaptured and grass will be planted per the annexation
agreement.
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Com. BrA�made a motion to approve � � Sales Trailer to be
located o the Amley 50 Property as �~�mitted by Zale Group.
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman , Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to O.
LANDSCAPING for Amley 50 Property Sales Trailer Area
Mr. Robert Nielsen said they will plant 5 trees ranging
from 3 - 4" caliper and will be chosen from the Fiore stock.
Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the Landscaping as
proposed for the Amley 50 Property Sales Trailer Area.
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman , Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
C. HSA - Covington Corporate Center
11L(Mora Siqn - Lot 49
Mr. Mark Christensen of Hiffman , Shaffer , Anderson , Inc.
made the presentation. He explained that Colfax Envelope is
located on a rear lot, and the sign will direct truck
drivers, etc. back to the site.
Ch. Larsen recalled that the AC previously approved a sign
for Colfax Envelope Corp. This sign could be treated as an
Off-Premise Sign if it not say "New Home of " . . . He suggested
changing the copy to read Construction Entrance. As other
buildings are built , the sign could be changed to identify
them.
Mr. Christensen had requested a single faced sign. The
building setback line from Busch Road was 50 feet and he
said they are not supposed to park , build or put signs in
the setback area. Would a perpendicular sign create a
line-of-sight problem?
Mr. Saviano said he would discuss the setback with Mr. Hruby
to see if the sign could be located 10 feet from the
property line. Sign Code Section 14. 20. 080 would permit an
Off-Premise Sign to be up for 6 months, with renewal subject
to AC approval .
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Com. Bruno a motion to approve thelwdgn requested by
HSA, on Lot 49 of Covington Corporate Center , identifying
the location of Colfax Envelope Corp. , pursuant to Sign Code
Section 14. 20. 080. Permit to be granted for 6 months, with
renewal beyond that period subject to AC approval .
Copy to be changed to reflect "Construction Entrance. "
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman , Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
Ch. Larsen repeated his suggestion that if the sign can be
placed closer to the road , it might be beneficial to make it
a double faced sign. Also, the same sign can be used for
different tenants.
D. Villas of Oak Creek - Face Change of Ground Sign
Road and _Old Oak Creek Drive _
Mr. Bernie Wasmer , Duo Signs and Billboards, made the
presentation on behalf of Ed Schwartz . A sign was approved
last January 1987, and they are requesting a change in the
telephone number , and the addition of a directional arrow.
The word "Condos" will not be included with the price.
Colors will be the same. The background is Beige.
Com. Riebman made a motion to approve the repainting of the
Villas of Oak Creek double-faced, 8 ' x 15 ' ground sign , as
submitted , with the exclusion of the word "Condos. "
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Riebman and Larsen.
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
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Mr. Jack Ezell of Ed Schwartz & Co. , explained that because
the Whitehall Model approved for Lot 1 will not fit , they
are proposing to build a Fairmont Model which is 350 sf .
smaller. The chimney is an option. The same colors and
materials, including light fixtures, will be used.
Ch. Larsen had some problem with the height and appearance
of the chimney, but he understood that it must meet Codes.
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Com. Ril,,�an made a motion to apprQj the Fairmont Model as
requested by Ed Schwartz & Co. for Lot 1 on Brandywyn Lane.
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Riebman and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
E. The Plaza at Ranch Mart (Ranch Mart)
Full Review f Exbel. ion to the North
Mr. David Rosenthal is the Managing General Partner of
Heritage Partners, Contract Purchaser and Developer;
660 La Salle Place, Suite 2A, Highland Park, IL 60035.
Mr. Stewart Wexler , Architect; Wexler/Kollman Partnership ,
660 La Salle Place, Highland Park , IL 60035 (432-0141 )
Lance Chodie, CDA Design , will be the general contractor
of the project.
Mr. Rosenthal presented a model of the entire site and gave
an overview of the proposed revamping of Ranch Mart , at
Dundee and Buffalo Grove Roads. A new 40,000 square foot
addition will be constructed at the North end of the project
and will meet the existing 85,000 square foot property.
Roof top units on the new addition will be screened accord-
ing to the Plan Commission Workshop request. Landscaping
and identification signs will be presented. Samples of the
materials were shown. These included the metal awning and
the textured material for the front of the new building.
1 . Elevations/Materials:
Mr. Wexler made the presentation. The existing building is
identified as Building A. The new structure is Building B.
Building B will be comprised of masonry, with a steel
structural system and a single ply roof . The masonry will
be finished with a drivet system. The metal awning, with a
striped detail , is made of ' Bethlehem Steel Corp. and it has
a vinyl (Kynar) finish, which will not fade.
The glass will be clear with a slight green tint , and the
framing system will be dark bronze anodized aluminum.
The rear (North) elevation of Building B will have built-in
recessed garbage recepticles, enclosed with matching metal
panels. Residents at the Oak Creek Apartments to the North
will not be able to see any garbage containers.
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Lighting at,je rear of the building wKwi consist of wall
mounted fixtures by Hubbell Inc.
Building A will be resurfaced with a skin coat of matching
drivet material , with the same metal panels and same awning.
The existing wood overhang will be removed , so that the new
signage will be able to be seen from the street.
The office building at the South end will also be remodeled.
It will have the same metal awning , with a cornice at the
top. The mansard roof will be removed , reframed and the
same drivet system will be added to tie all the structures
together.
The glass arches will be pre-made of green plexiglas with
the same dark bronze aluminum frames. The arches will bring
light from the back of the building toward the front. At
the Northwest corner of the building, an arched domed
skylight will will brighten the gallery area. There will be
a walkway between the two buildings.
An arch element with flags will accent the gallery area.
Some residents of the Oak Creek Condo were present:
Dr. Kenneth Isaacs, 51 Old Oak Dr. , Unit #317
Mrs. Adele Isaacs, 51 Old Oak Dr. , Unit #317
Ms. Loraine Jones, 51 Old Oak Dr. , Unit #305
Ms. June Skolnick , 51 Old Oak Dr. , Unit #314
Mr. John P. O 'Brien, Jr. , Pres. of the Board ,
51 Old Oak Dr. , Unit #418
Dr. Isaacs summarized the concerns of the condo residents as
noise, dirt and light. Ranch Mart attracts vandels. Inter-
state Truckers park their rigs along the North property line
and leave the refrigeration units running. The air condi-
tioner units can be heard from Ranch Mart on summer nights.
Garbage trucks and delivery trucks are coming late into the
night , 3 to 4 A.M. He asked if the Village was going to
consider Oak Creek Condos in terms of nuisance?
Ch. Larsen responded that the AC could not put a value on
the nuisance level , and he agreed the disturbances mentioned
would be irritating. The Village has time restrictions on
trash pickup and the developer will probably give some kind
of consideration to the resident 's concerns.
Mr. Rosenthal said they will have very restrictive leases,
but they cannot be there all the time. Because the area is
so open , it is almost an attraction to truckers. They do
not own the center yet and he cannot actually make any
promises. His office manages only property that they own.
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He sa ey have worked with the Commission to satisfy
some of the resident 's concerns. Trash for the existing
building will be contained within fenced enclosures which
will be constructed at the fence line. He added that they
will contract with the garbage company that there are not to
be any night pickups.
Mr. Saviano added that the Building Department has advised
truckers, and has issued citations. He has called the
garbage company and thought they had stopped night pickups,
but they can being garbage pickup as early as 7 AM. He will
speak to F & M about the late night deliveries.
Dr. Isaacs said odor is another concern of the residents.
They can smell Tacos now. What will be back by the meeting
room.
Mr. Rosenthal said a meeting room is not proposed. The area
will have a place (with benches) for people to stop and will
perhaps have an ice cream shop, or TCBY, but it will not be
a late night facility. The area will normally be closed
about 9-10 P. M. He is hoping to secure a nice sit-down
restaurant at the East end of the addition.
Mrs. Jones expressed concern about teenagers being attracted
to the area at night. Will there be security guards?
Mr. Rosenthal said they do not anticipate guards, but they
will work with the police department to control vandalism.
Mr. O 'Brien, President of the Board of Oak Creek , asked
about the wall lights, and wondered if the lights could be
on posts, and be directed back toward the building. Lights
have been put on the Oak Creek #1 Building and they shine
directly on the balconys of Oak Creek Building #2, because
they wanted to light the parking lot.
Mr. Rosenthal said the lights will not be able to be raised
above 175 watt metal halide and there is a baffle that will
diffuse the light. There will be no direct light flow from
this type of fixture, and they will be spaced far enough
apart on the building so that by the time the light reaches
the property line, there will only be a soft glow.
Ch. Larsen said the Village requires lights to be located
over the doors for security reasons.
Mr. Saviano added that the more light there is, the less
vandalism there will be. The Oak Creek residents will be
able to see what is going on better with lights.
Mr. O ' Brien expressed concern about the garbage that would
be generated by a restaurant. He was assured that the
Villa^ e Health Officer is very strict about good disposal .
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Ch. Larsen a�_ed if the metal awnings wh-d have any type of
lighting. Down lighting for safety would be acceptable, but
if the entire canopy is illuminated it would become part of
the sign package and must be submitted for AC approval .
Com. Riebman made a motion to approve the Elevations and
Materials as submitted for The Plaza of Buffalo Grove.
Com. Bruno seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Bruno, Riebman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
2. Landscapinq: A Forester 's Report was not available.
Mr . Rosenthal said that the residents at Oak Creek and the
Arbors are concerned about foot traffic coming from the
shopping center around the back into the residential area.
The developer will substitute a wood stockade fence for the
proposed 6 foot heavy hedge. The required green area will
be put in with trees up to the fence. The Plan
Commission said the buffer is an Appearance Commission issue
Com. Bruno said she would prefer the shrubbery hedge to the
fence.
The residents agreed and commented that they did not want a
fence. It was Mr. Eggen from Building #3 who said he would
prefer a fence, but he is not present at this meeting.
Mr. Rosenthal said they would agree to whatever the AC and
the Village Board would prefer. He pointed out that people
can always walk around the end of bushes of a fence.
The Plan Commission requested the addition of plantings
at each end of the islands on the West side of the parking
lot.
Mr. Saviano commented that the developer will have to comply
with the Village Ordinance, which requires a 12 foot solid
screen buffer (shrubs or fence) and the Village Forester 's
Recommendations. The sidewalk will be extended.
Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the Landscaping as
submitted by The Plaza at Buffalo Grove, subject to the
Village Forester 's Review and Recommendations.
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman , Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 3 to O.
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Z. Liqhtinb:
� The lighting of Building B will be the same as the existing
' lighting at the rear of Building A, 175 Watt Metal Halide.
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Com. Bruno made a motion to approve the Lighting for the
rear of Building B at The Plaza, as submitted, subject to
the Village Engineer 's Review.
/ Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
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- Roll Call Vote: AYE - Riebman, Bruno and Larsen
NAY - None
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Motion Passed - 3 to 0.
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Ch. Larsen explained that the signage is not paramount to
i the approval of The Plaza architecture, landscaping, etc.
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Only tenant signage falls into the category of Sign Criteria .
and it may be advisable to reconsider all the signage befor.e
submitting it to the AC for final approval .
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Mr. Rosenthal described the 8 types of signage - A through H. �
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/ 1. G is the Multi-tenant Building Identification Signs -
Two free-standing ground signs, one to be on Dundee Rd. ,
and the other to be on Buffalo Grove Road.
Two colors are being considered: !
Yellow and Orange on Green; OR Breen an White.
They will be illuminated (no exposed neon) . -
There will be up-lights in the circular dome. `
The four sides are angled, with lettering on the �
street sides only. �
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Ch. Larsen said the proposed signs are 1-1/2 feet too tall , .
but a variance could be granted. The base could be '
lowered.
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The existing Ranch Mart pylon sign was granted a variance,
but the variance will not be transferred when the property z
is sold.
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The square footage of the signs will have to be interpreted .
by the Administrator. There is a Table based on lineal^ J
footage that determines the amount of square footage that
will be permitted. .
Ch. Larsen suggested locating the Buffalo Grove Road si 'n '
. on the South side of the entryway. If a restaurant sign is `
anticipated, it would have to be 250 feet away from the
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2" Wall Sign' - A, B and C. Signs will ` centerd, but the '
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height ab�w� the canopy is different *�` m the height
where there is a parapet. 1
Ch. Larsen said that with a Sign Package, the AC can grant
additional square footage and extend height limitations. i
' He suggested that review of these signs would be benbficial .
3" Under Canopy Signs - D and E. The proposed neon lighted
signs for the two story building may be more expensive
than necessary.
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4° Free-standing Shopping Center Sign - H.
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Ch. Larsen said that without lettering this structure could
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A clock was suggested. �
Ch. Larsen recommended postponement of the signage until �
further consideration can be given. This will not . hinder `
Village Board approval or the issuance of building permits.
'Mr. Rosenthal agreed with Ch. Larsen 's suggestion.
V. ANNOUNCEMENTS - None. �
V3. ADJOURNMENT
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Com. Bruno made a motion to adjourn. Com. Riebman seconded.
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Ch. Larsen adjourned the meeting at 10:25 P.M.
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Respectfully submitted,
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Shirley Banes, Secretary
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