1987-12-10 - Appearance Commission - Minutes APPEARANCE COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1987
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Eddie Larsen called the meeting to order at 7:39 P.M. at
the Village Hall , on Thursday, December 10, 1987.
II . ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present: B. Owens, E. Bremner , D. Ehrhardt,
H. Riebman and E. Larsen. QUORUM.
Commissioners Absent: M. Mc Call and C. Bruno
Note: Commissioners Hyman Riebman and Clarissa Bruno have been
appointed to the Appearance Commission. Their terms will
expire April 30, 1968.
Bldg. Dept. Liaison: Dominic J. Saviano, Jr. ,
Deputy Building Commissioner
III . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
November 12. 1987 - Com. Bremner made a motion to approve as sub-
mitted. Com. Owens seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt, Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Riebman
Minutes of Nov. 12, 1987 were approved and will be placed on file.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
A. Federal Express - Landscapinq
John Stewart , Theodore Brickman Co. , Long Grove, IL, made the
presentation. The plans have been revised in include the Village
Forester 's requirements for additional parkway trees and berming
along Lake/Cook Road. There is some minor berming at the entryway.
Com. Bremner made a motion to approve the Landscape Plans for
Federal Express as submitted , per revision dated Nov. 16, 1987.
Com. Owens seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt , Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Riebman
Motion Passed - 4 to 0, 1 abstention.
V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Toshiba America - Wall Giqn
John Betts, MCI Sign , Inc. Niles, IL, made the presentation.
Two designs for the South elevation had been submitted to the
customer. Mr. Betts indicated the off-set location chosen.
The sign will be aluminum letters, with plastic frames, White
trim caps and returns. The color is #214 - RED, with clear neon
red tubing. The sign will face Lake/Cook Road and will be seen
by both the Eastbound and Westbound traffic. The building is
angled and faces Johnson Drive.
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the sign for the TOSHIBA
single face wall sign , positioned 4 ft. from the Eastern corner of
the South elevation, as submitted. Color: #214 - Toshiba Red.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt, Riebman & Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
B. Village of Buffalo Grove - Accessory Building/Screening
Roof Color Chanqe for Police Dept. and Golf Course Bldg.
Greg Boysen , B. G. Director of Public Works and Staff Liaison and
Rick Dewaw, representing the architects - O'Donnell , Wicklund,
Pigozzi and Peterson, made the presentation.
1. Salt Dome (to be located at the rear of the Public Works Bldg. )
a. The fence ha-_� been redesigned. It will be an 8 foot ,
solid brick which will match the existing fence and building.
A 20 foot wide, wrought iron sliding gate, will slide behind
the brick wall - 10 feet each direction.
` b. A cedar shake roof was presented for the salt dome. The
roof which will sit on the six foot concrete wall of the salt
dome will completely cover the dome. The wall will be screened
with the brick fence. The cedar shake roof will be segmented;
and it will be nailed to the plywood sub-structure.
The height of the salt dome will be about 6 inches shorter than
the Public Works Building , with the floor level about 1 ' lower.
C. The fence will be close to Church Road , but Ch. Larsen
requested low shrubs outside the fence with a few trees on the
parkway, as spacing permits, to screen the fence and dome.
Mr. Boysen agreed to provide this landscaping proposal .
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Ch. Larsen commented that the fence and new roof design with
the brick fence was a tremendous improvement over the original
presentation. Mr. Boysen expressed appreciation to the Village
Board for its decision to approve the additional expenditures.
Com. Owens made a motion to approve the Village's Municipal
Campus Salt Dome per revised elevation, with the material
change for the covering of the dome to be cedar shakes;
and the fence to be brick to match the existing fence and
building , with a wrought iron sliding gate, with center opening,
and shrubbrey as shown.
The petitioner agrees to add parkway trees, as space permits.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner, Ehrhardt, Reibman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
2. Police Station and Golf Club House Buildinq
Mr. Boysen presented a new color for the roof shingles. After
looking at many colors, the Village Board has selected Seafoam
Green to replace the previously approved Chocolate Brown.
This is the color of many other municipal buildings.
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the Roof Color Change of
the Police Station and Golf Club House
' Buildings from Chocolate
Brown to Seafoam Green.
Com. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Ehrhardt , Riebman and Larsen
NAY - Owens and Bremner (Preferred the Brown)
Motion Passed - 3 to 2.
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C. 471 Carmen , Sinple Family Dwellinq - Full Review
Mr. Richard Fulton , P. O. Box 995, Mundelein , IL - 60060, made
presentation. The house will be the last lot in the Candlewood
Creek Subdivision (Pasquinelli ) . It will be a pre-fab house
constructed by Fulton Homes, for Roger and Kathy Schalk. .
1 . Materials:
Grey Vinyl Aluminum Siding (no brick)
Granite Grey Blend - Asphalt Shingles
Garage Door - Matching Grey Aluminum
Front Door - Grey Masonite
Entry surrounding door - White Vertical Aluminum
Entry return - Horizontal Grey Siding
Trim and Soffit - White
Gutters/Downspouts - White Aluminum
Windows - Aluminum clad wood, flat casement windows
in front , with double hung windows in rear
Rear Door - With muntins
Soffit light in front entryway
There is only one other house close to this one, and it is not
grey. The Commissioners agreed the elevations are very plain ,
with only one side window.
Com. Bremner made a motion to approve the elevations and materials
for a single family house at 471 Carmen, as presented.
Com. Owens seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner, Ehrhardt , Braiman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
2. Landscapinq:
A site plan was submitted with an Emerald Queen Norway Maple
parkway tree and stipulating that the parkway would be sodded.
Other trees are shown , but the AC does not review landscaping
for single family homes, other than parkway requirements.
Com. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve the Landscaping for the
parkway of the home to be located at 471 Carman Avenue, as
submitted.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt, Reibman , Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
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3. Li phti nq:
Light Fixtures: K-9666 (no manufacturer)
Two fixtures to be located at each side of garage doors
and one near the rear door.
Double Flood Light: K-6042, Kichler Lighting, pg. 111
To be located above at roof line above patio door area.
Mr. Saviano and the Commissioners asked that the flood light be
eliminated. An additional K-9666 was requested by the patio door.
Mr. Fulton agreed.
Coin. Ehrhardt made a motion to approve 4 Light Fixtures,
K-9666 for the single family home at 471 Carman Avenue -
Two to be located at each side of the garage and one each at
the rear entry door and at the patio door.
The double flood light to be eliminated.
Coin. Riebman seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Erhardt , Riebman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
D. Westchester Subdivision - Scarsdale Homes, Developer
Agenda revised. Westchester follows Item E -Zierk 's
E. Zierk 's Furniture Store - Buffalo Grove Business Park
Hamilton Partners, Tim Beechick - Full Review
Mr. Beechick described the 2 acre parcel located on Lake/Cook Rd.
The design of the building will blend with and compliment the
Buffalo Grove Business Park low density and low profile buildings.
There is one pad , reserved for a restuarant , West of Weidner Road ,
and then the Zierk 's property. There is a service drive from
Weidner Road to the rear of Zierk 's which circulates into the
parking lot and out to Lake/Cook Road (West of Zierk 's) .
1 . Materials: The building has a canopy front on Lake/Cook
Road returning at the Southeast corner North along the
East elevation. The canopy will be Hunter Green aluminum.
Brick - Brown, to match the Business Park Buildings
Glass - Tinted bronze, similar to l-story buildings
(Glass is tinted to reduce fading of furniture. )
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Parking lot lightin also shown on the Site n. There should
be 3 pole lights, bL��only 2 are shown, on the islands. The 3rd
light will be added at the center of the double parking area.
Fixture is The Successor , and matches the B. G. Business Park.
Height of the poles will be 15 feet; Crouse-Hinds Lighting with
lens similar to the fixtures installed at the Chevy Chase Shopping
Center. These lens reduce glare.
Secondly, Wall mounted fixtures, by KLP, #300 series, will be
located at the rear of the building near the loading areas on the
North wall . Another lot separates Zierk 's from the golf course.
Coping at the top cap is bronze metal , identical to the
other Business Park framing systems.
Stucco material at the entrance is Off-White with a stipple
finish.
There is a brick circle above the entrance.
The business will be open until 9 PM during the week and will
close at 5 PM on Saturday. Sunday hours will be ll AM to 5 PM.
Com. Owens made a motion to approve theMaterials and Elevations
for Zierk 's Furniture Store, at the Buffalo Grove Busines Park ,
as presented.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt, Riebman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
2. Liqhtinq:
The parking lot lights will be installed on concrete bases, and
the center base will be higher , so that all the lights are uniform
in height. There is one additional dock light on the North
elevation.
Com. Bremner asked what time the lights would be turned off?
Mr. Bbechick responded that is uncertain because the police may
want the lights left on all night; and the operator of the store
may have a preference. The lights at the Business Park are left
on for security reasons and because they are required for 24 hr.
access.
Mr. Saviano said the Village Board is concerned and do not want
the parking lot lights to be left on all night.
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There will ffit lighting that coulk )e left on for security.
Mr. Beechick said he could not make a commitment for the store
owner , but he added that he saw no reason for the lights to be
left on long after closing.
Ch. Larsen asked Mr. Beechick to discuss this with the owner ,
and suggested that the lights be extinguished off 30 minutes after
the store closes. The soffit lights could be left on for
security.
Com. Owens made a motion to approve the Lighting for Zierk 's
Furniture Store as submitted, with the stipulation that the
parking lot lights shall be turned off 30 minutes after the
closing of the operation; and with the provision for the soffit
lights to be left on for security.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt, Riebman, Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
3. Landscapinp:
Mr. John Stewart, Theodore Brickman Co. , Long Grove, IL described
the landscape plans. The developer requested a garden-like land-
scape. Berming has been included. The potential restaurant on
the next site has been considered. The parkway trees required by
the Village have been located with the line-of-sight left open so
that the building may be seen. Evergreens and flowering trees are
included in the plan.
The Village Forester has not reviewed the revised plan because the
first plan did not specify the plant varieties.
Com. Owens commented that the Ash Trees on the parking lot islands
will hide the parking lot lights.
Mr. Stewart responded that they have successfully combined trees
with lights in other areas. The lights must be properly offset
from the trees, and the trees must be kept trimmed. The combina-
tion can be very effective.
Mr. Beechick said there is a tree on the same island with a light
on Arlington Heights Road. If they are permitted to install the
trees with the lights, and there is a problem, then the trees will
be removed. They could eliminate one tree from each island.
Mr. Bremner asked about berming on Lake/Cook Road similar to what
was required for Federal Express.
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Mr. Stewart respond hat there is some bermin� Jbut they must
retain some visual site of the building because it is a commercial
enterprise. Four foot berms have been situated at the corner to
shield lights in the parking lot from Lake/Cook Road.
Com. Bremnet made a motion to approve the Landscaping as presented
for Zierk 's Furniture Company, subject ot the Village Forester 's
review and his subsequent report to the Appearance Commission.
Com. Ehrhardt seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner, Ehrhardt, Reibman , Larsen
NAY - None
Motion Passed - 5 to 0.
4. Sipnaqe:
Mr. Beechick presented colored drawings of two signs. One is
similar to the Winberies Restaurant sign , with interior
illumination; and the second sign is similar to the Buffalo Grove
Business Park brick signs. The developer has not made a decision
about which sign he prefers.
He asked the Appearance Commissioners to give them the option of
selecting whichever sign the owner decides.
Ch. Larsen said the AC could take a Straw Poll , but when the
decision is made, one sign must be presented for approval .
#1 sign is similar to Winberies and #2 is a brick monument sign.
Com. Bremner and Com. Owens said they preferred sign #2. . .
Ch. Larsen asked the commissioners to consider whether or not they
would approve sign No. 1 , if sign No. 2 had not been submitted?
Com. Owems - Sign No. 1 does not have good proportions, and the
layout is unpleasant. Winberies did not put up the sign that
was approved by the Appearance Commission.
Com. Bremner - Sign No. 1 is not acceptable. Sign No. 2 is OK.
Com. Riebman - Sign No. 1 is too high.
Ch. Larsen explained the Sign Code requires a sign to be no higher
that the required set back for an area. If the sign is setback
10 feet , then it must ne no higher than 10 feet. If the setback
is 12 feet , then the sign must be no higher than 12 feet.
Mr. Beechick said they would meet this requirement. He added that
Sign No. 1 would be more noticeable, but Sign No. 2 is more like
the Business Park signs.
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[19 Systems Design Group, ltd. 5999 New Wilke Road
9suite 208
9 ARCHITECTS - PLANNERS Rolling Meadows, Illinois 60008
c- (312) 439-5800
WESTCHESTER ESTATES DECEMBER 10, 1987
MODEL/LOT SEPARATIONS SCHEDULE
AMERICANA
Al
281-AMERICANA-Al
1581-AMERICANA-Al
CONTEMPORARY
Cl C2 C3
102-CONTEMPORARY-C1 572-CONTEMPORARY-C2 373-CONTEMPORARY-C3
172-CONTEMPORARY-C1 1281-CONTEMPORARY-C3
283-CONTEMPORARY-C1
573-CONTEMPORARY-C1
1872-CONTEMPORARY-C1
VICTORIAN
V1
101-VICTORIAN-V1
171-VICTORIAN-V1
1871-VICTORIAN-V1
FRENCH/COLONIAL
Fl F2
282-FRENCH/COLONIAL-F1 1282-FRENCH/COLONIAL-F2
TRADITIONAL
T1 T2 T3 T4
301-TRADITIONAL-T1 375-TRADITIONAL-T2 471-TRADITIONAL-T3 571-TRADITIONAL-T4
371-TRADITIONAL-T1
RANCH
R1 R2
902-RANCH-R1 901-RANCH-R2
1482-RANCH-R1
SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS
A. 2 LOT SEPARATION AND NOT TO BE LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET:
ANY TWO UNITS HAVING THE SAME CLASSIFICATION NUMBER WITHIN THE SAME CATEGORY
(ie: Cl TO Cl; T1 TO Ti; ETC. . .)
B. 1 LOT SEPARATIONS:
ANY TWO UNITS HAVING ADJACENT NUMBERS WITHIN THE SAME CATEGORY
(ie: Cl TO C2; C2 TO C3; ETC. . .)
C. FUTURE ADDITIONAL MODELS:
WILL BE CATEGORIZED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ABOVE CLASSIFICATIONS.
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Cam. Riebman and Co Ehrhardt both preferred ' No. 2 because
the design is better.
Ch. Larsen 's preference from the commercial aspect would be
Sign No. 1 .
He directed Mr. Beechick to make a final decision and submit it
- to the Appearance Commission for approval . Either sign would meet
' the criteria of the Sign Code. The designs of both could be
' improved to give the business effective signage.
Since this is a separate parcel , a variance will not be necessary.
E. Westchester Estates - Monotony Code Clarification
Scarsdale Development, 1606 N. Hinman, Evanston, IL 60201
Ch. Larsen summarized the problem the Building Department has been
having in interpreting the Monotony Code with respect to the West-
chester Homes. Basically, the Monotony Code states that a model
cannot be placed next to an identical model , or across the street
from the same model . Mr. Frank Morelli 's original concept is/ that
he has developed basic floor plans. Buyers can customize the
exterior elevations in a variety of different ways to make them
unique in appearance.
Mr. Frank Hruby, Director of Building and Zoning held a meeting
with Ch. Larsen and Mr. Morelli in preparation for tonight.
Mr. Morelli demonstrated his ability to control the design of
these semi-custom homes with the use of diagrams of the various
elevations and the attached chart , prepared by Systems Design
Group , Ltd. (dated - Dec. 10, 1987) . Mr. Terry Frisch from
Systems Design Group , Ltd. was present.
Mr. Morelli commented that the Monotony Code does not actually
' state that the same floor plan is the same model . The Building
Department has always interpreted model to mean floor plan.
Ch. Larsen stated the Appearance Commission has always considered
the exterior elevations and how they relate to each other.
Mr. Morelli explained how they first develop floor plans and give
them a Series Number. Then several elevations are designed so
that the houses may be constructed next to each other. These
elevations are referred to by Classification Numbers.
Scarsdale Homes uses the attached chart to determine how many lots
must separate the units. i .e. A Contemporary style cannot be
placed next to another Contemporary style, even if they have a
different floor plan. Mr. Morelli used the diagrams to show the
Commissioners how the chart works. The system is very simple when
the Separation Requirements at the bottom of the chart are under-
stood and followed.
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If new mode e developed , they will put into one of the
categories and the same requirements will be applied.
Another way to differentiate the Westchester Estates homes is by
the size of the lots. Different sections of lots will have
different characteristics. Larger lots will be in one section ,
and the larger houses will most likely be situated on the larger
lots. Forty lots have been sold out of a total of 101 lots.
When Mr. Morelli pointed out the two houses that led to the
problem the Building Department has been having, they were very
different elevations, but the same floor plan.
Com. Owens commented that the AC is more concerned with masses and
color and materials and design differences.
Ch. Larsen said the recent changes to the Zoning Ordinance that
apply to custom homes and semi-custom homes have placed certain
restraints on the Monotony Code that require stricter interpre-
tation. The Appearance Commissioners look at the floor plans to
get a feeling for what the building will look like. Elevations
do not give a 3-dimensional view that shows setbacks, etc.
Com. Owens used diagrams V-1 and C-1 to demonstrate how the AC
looks at the basic building forms. The gables and door masses of
these two models are very similar. The materials are essentially
different, but the common elements are similar.
Mr. Saviano said that Mr. Hruby and Mr. Sylverne agreed that the
schedule is workable and is a better approach than the way they
have been interpreting the Monotony Code.
Ch. Larsen noted that when they met at the Bldg. Dept. there were
only 1 's and 2 's, but not there are some 3 's and 4's on the list.
Materials and color packages are not being changed. The AC motion
will be subject to Mr. Hruby 's approval .
Mr. Morelli said they have added new elevations to the classifica-
tions, but the same rule will apply. This is covered under "C" .
Mr. Morelli asked that the motion include am exception. They have
sold a model 373, Contemporary - C 3 next to a 172, Contem-
porary - C 1 ; and under the old interpretation this would be fine.
The new schedule would require that there be a lot between them.
There are also a couple of other instances where this may happen ,
but if the motion is made as of this date (Dec. 10, 1987) there
will not be a problem. Lots 12 B and 13 B, have been sold with a
#1281 - C 3 next to a #172 - C 1 ; and the same condition exists on
Lots 34 B and 35 B. These lots and homes have been sold.
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Com. Owens made a m on to approve the Re-id ication of the
Westchester Estates �� Models and Lot Separation Schedule as it
pertains to the Village of Buffalo Grove Monotony Code.
This schedule is to take effect immediately with the exceptions as
noted in the discussion, which would have been acceptable under
the usual interpretation of the Monotony Code.
' The Schedule is dated Dec. 10, 1987.
This motion is subject to final review and understanding of the
documentation by Mr. Frank Hruby, Director of Building and Zoning.
Com. Bremner seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote: AYE - Owens, Bremner , Ehrhardt and Larsen
NAY - None
ABSTAIN - Riebman (Purchaser of a Westchester Estate)
Motion Passed - 4 to 01 2 abstension.
VI . ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ch. Larsen welcomed Mr. Hyman Riebman to the Commission and
added that a second commissioner has been appointed. There will
be an orientation meeting scheduled early in 1988.
The problem of window signage was discussed. Mr. Saviano said it
is difficult to keep all businesses in compliance with the Code.
Letters not being lighted is another problem. They do the best
they can.
VII . ADJOURNMENT
Com. Bremner made a motion to adjourn. Com. Owens seconded.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Shirley Bates, Secretary
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