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1999-03-17 - Plan Commission - Minutes PUBLIC HEARING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION March 17, 1999 1110 Larraway Drive-Special Use for a Child Day Care Home in the R-5 District Chairman Goldspiel called the hearing to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Village Council Chambers, Buffalo Grove Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard,Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Chairman Goldspiel read the Notice of Public Hearing as published in the Buffalo Grove Daily Herald, explained the procedure to be followed for the public hearing, and swore in all persons who wished to give testimony. Commissioners present: Chairman Goldspiel Mr. Samuels Mr. Berman Mr. Trilling Mr. Viehman Commissioners absent: Mr. Krug Ms. Howard Mr. Ottenheimer Mr. Moons Also present: Ms. Svetlana Lanskikh Mr. Dennis Lanskikh Mr. Brian Rubin, Village Trustee Mr. William Raysa, Village Attorney Mr. Robert Pfeil, Village Planner Mr. Dennis Lanskikh stated they are applying for a special use to operate a child day care home. In response to the necessary criteria for a special use he stated this day care is a large priority in the community. They will provide excellent child care for the parents in the community. He noted the home is fully equipped for safe care of the children. He further stated the inspectors from the DCFS and the Village found the home suitable for child care. Mr. Lanskikh stated drop off times for the children is between 7:30 to 8:30 a.m. and pick up is between 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. There are 8 children being picked up. The parents do not stay in the driveway for more than five minutes. If some parents do park on the street, they do not create any traffic complications. He noted the neighbors are not affected as the children are quiet and are always supervised. Most of the children are Buffalo Grove residents. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 1 Mr. Lanskikh further noted they are licensed by DCFS and have passed the Village inspection. He stated they have adequate parking on the driveway and do not cause any traffic congestion. He stated they have a fenced yard for the children to play in and the children do not create a great deal of noise. Commissioner Samuels asked how many children will be cared for. Mr. Lanskikh stated they propose to have 8 children as permitted by the Village. Commissioner Samuels asked if there will be any employees and if these employees do not live in the home. Mr. Lanskikh stated they will have two employees who are parked on the driveway. Commissioner Samuels asked if four cars will fit on the driveway without blocking the sidewalk. Mr. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Samuels asked if there is still room for parents to drop off children. Mr. Lanskikh stated the employees leave at 1:00 p.m. and the children are not picked up until 5:00 or 6:00 p.m. so there is no parking problem. Commissioner Samuels asked if the petitioner has already started operating as a day care center. Mr. Lanskikh stated they have been operating for about one month. Commissioner Samuels asked what time the employees arrive. Mr. Lanskikh stated they arrive about 8:30 a.m. Commissioner Samuels asked what time the last child arrives. Ms. Lanskikh stated almost all the children are there by 8:30 a.m. before the employees arrive. Commissioner Samuels asked how old the children are. Ms. Lanskikh stated they are from 1 'V2 years of age to 4 years of age. Commissioner Samuels asked if there are now 8 children being cared for in the home. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 2 Commissioner Samuels asked if the children have been outside as yet. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Samuels asked if there have been any problems with the neighbors. Ms. Lanskikh stated they had been notified by Mr. Sheehan that some neighbors had complained that the parents were parking in such a manner as to block their driveways. However,this was after having lived in the house for only two weeks. She stated they had left their own cars in the driveway as the garage was full of moving cartons. This has now been put away and cleaned up and their cars are now in the garage and the parents no longer have parking problems. She further noted her father's car does park on the street, but the two employees park in the driveway. Commissioner Samuels asked if there have been any conversations directly with the neighbors. Ms. Lanskikh stated they have not had a chance to talk to the neighbors as yet as they only moved into the house in January. Commissioner Samuels asked if the petitioner had provided day care in her former home in Buffalo Grove. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Samuels asked where the former home was located. Ms. Lanskikh stated she lived at 554 Lyon Drive and had a DCFS license. She stated she worked part time and as her day care grew she began to look for a bigger house. Commissioner Samuels asked what time Mr. Lanskikh leaves the house daily. Mr. Lanskikh stated he leaves 10.00 a.m. or 11:00 a.m. daily as he is a full time student. Commissioner Berman asked if Ms. Lanskikh operated a day care previously in a home in Buffalo Grove. Ms. Lanskikh stated she did not operate a day care in her previous home for the entire two years she lived there. She had just basically started her business with 3-4 children a year ago and it began to grow. Commissioner Berman asked if Ms. Lanskikh had a special use permit from the Village at her old home. Ms. Lanskikh stated no. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 3 Mr. Lanskikh stated they did not know about a special use. Ms. Lanskikh stated they thought the state license was sufficient . Commissioner Berman asked if there were any employees helping Ms. Lanskikh at the previous home. Ms. Lanskikh stated her parents helped out there. Commissioner Berman asked if there were any problems with the neighbors in the previous home. Ms. Lanskikh and Mr. Lanskikh both stated there were no problems at the previous home even though there was even less parking space available. Commissioner Berman asked if there have been 8 children cared for since moving into this new residence. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Berman asked where the children play. Ms. Lanskikh stated the children play in the fenced back yard. Commissioner Berman asked if there is any play equipment in the yard. Ms. Lanskikh stated there are swings and slides and various toys. Commissioner Berman asked who supervises the children before the employees come in the morning. Ms. Lanskikh stated she does. She noted there are really never 8 children there all at once in the morning before the employees get there as the children arrive staggered. Commissioner Berman asked who helps out with the children from 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 or 6:00 p.m. Ms. Lanskikh stated her father helps her out as well as her 14 year old daughter. Commissioner Trilling asked once again for an explanation of the adults who supervise the children. Ms. Lanskikh stated there are two outside employees who come up to 1:00 p.m. After that there Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 4 is her daughter who comes from school at 3:00 p.m., her father and her son and, of course, herself. In the mornings it is herself and her father as well as two outside adult helpers who care for the children. Commissioner Trilling asked why the petitioner moved from the duplex to the present home. Mr. Lanskikh stated this home is bigger which they needed as the children sleep and play in separate rooms. Commissioner Trilling asked if there had been any complaints in the previous home about the day care. Ms. Lanskikh stated no. Commissioner Trilling asked if there were ever more than 3-4 kids in the previous home. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Trilling asked how many kids were cared for in the previous home at any given time. Ms. Lanskikh noted it varied from 3-4 up to 8. Commissioner Trilling reiterated that Ms. Lanskikh had taken care of as many as 8 children in the previous home for about 1 year. Ms. Lanskikh stated yes. Commissioner Viehman asked what the traffic like on the street as the children are arriving, if the parents escort the children into the house and how long the process takes. Mr. Lanskikh stated drop off is from 7 to 8:30 a.m. and usually does not take more than 5 minutes to drop off the child and escort the child into the home. Commissioner Viehman asked if during this time the parents park in the driveway or the street. Mr. Lanskikh stated they park in the driveway. Commissioner Viehman asked if the two helpers have as yet arrived and have parked in the driveway or not. Mr. Lanskikh noted the helpers have not yet arrived and the parents park only in the driveway. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 5 Commissioner Viehman asked how many parents might arrive at the same time. Ms. Lanskikh noted only about 2 or 3 parents arrive at the same time, although there may be a rare instance where 4 parents may arrive at the same time. Commissioner Viehman asked if there have been any traffic problems as a result of this schedule. Ms. Lanskikh stated there have been no traffic problems. Commissioner Viehman asked if the evening pickup time has the same situation. Mr. Lanskikh stated yes. Chairman Goldspiel noted that according to the plat of the driveway, same is approximately 25 feet long and questioned if four cars can really fit on the driveway without blocking the sidewalk. Ms. Lanskikh stated the sidewalk is never blocked. Donna Stolar, 1114 Larraway Drive, stated she would like to present a petition signed by 46 homeowners in the Suffield Place subdivision which shows the overwhelming negative response to the continued operation of a child day care home at the subject property. The petition is requesting that the commission does not grant a special use permit. Chairman Goldspiel asked for a reading of the language in the petition. Ms. Stolar read as follows: "We the undersigned residents of the Suffield Place subdivision, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, by and through this petition do hereby oppose the application for a special use permit filed by Svetlana Lanskikh for the purposes of operating a child day care home in the single family residence at 1110 Larraway Drive located in the R- 5 one family dwelling district." Ms. Stolar noted the applicant has failed to notify the commission that Green Lake adjoins the property which is a safety concern. Chairman Goldspiel noted the commission does have a map of the subdivision which shows the lake. Ms. Stolar stated the first issue the homeowners are concerned with is traffic congestion and noise. The traffic issues presents a safety concern for the residents and the interference with the use and enjoyment of their own properties. She noted that since the operation of the child care home began there has been a substantial increase in the vehicular traffic, particularly in the Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 6 mornings and early evenings when the children are arriving and departing the premises. The homeowners feel this is an inappropriate site for a day care home. She stated there is not enough road frontage to provide a safe zone for both the children in the neighborhood and the children at the day care home. She stated it has become a parking lot atmosphere in and around the subject property due to the congestion. She further noted she has witnessed 7-8 vehicles at the property at one time instead of the 3-4 vehicles stated by the applicant. Beginning at 7:00 a.m.there is one vehicle parked continuously at 1112 Larraway Drive. Another vehicle then arrives and is in the driveway. Parents then come and drop off their children in the mornings and evenings when there are always four vehicles parked in the driveway. Two of those vehicles are always obstructing the sidewalk. At times one or two of those vehicles are left running in the driveway. This is a safety concern for the neighborhood. Also there are at least one or two vehicles parked in front of 1109 LarrawayDrive. vehicle on e. She noted she observed a near collision between a e backing out of the subject property driveway and a vehicle parked in front of 1109 Larraway Drive. Ms. Stolar stated Larraway Drive is a narrow curved street and when there are vehicles parked on both sides of the street, as they are regarding this property, it is impossible for a single vehicle to travel one way on Larraway Drive and another vehicle to come the other way on Larraway Drive. She further stated she has observed parents pulling in and out of the driveways of adjacent residences. Ms. Stolar stated the average arrival time is between 7-10 minutes and not 5 minutes as represented by the petitioner. In addition there are four new young drivers on Larraway Drive who will be impacted bythis congestion. In addition there is a large crabapple tree which will be p g g PP an obstruction to the vehicles backing out of the driveway. Also summer is coming and many children are riding their bicycles,rollerblading and parents are walking with strollers. These people will be forced to walk on the street. Ms. Stolar further stated this commercial enterprise will detract from the residential character of the neighborhood. There is a concern for the devaluation of the property. Impact studies show that property devalues between 15-25 percent on a street with a major commercial enterprise. She further noted DCFS has informed her that within the next year the applicant intends to seek a group day care home license which will afford her the opportunity for more than 12 children. Although the Village can cap that number, the petitioner has a history of non-compliance. Therefore, in the absence of continued monitoring, she will expand her operation to more than 8 children. The health officer has already asked the petitioner to remove any more than eight beds from the home. In addition, a neighbor has counted 10 children walking in single file down Larraway Drive. Ms. Stolar stated there are other day care alternatives in the area so that these parents do not need to be displaced. The greatest concern for the children, however, occurs due to the proximity of Green Lake. There are also a large number of geese who flock to this particular yard and leave a great deal of droppings which are a health concern for these children. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 7 Ms. Stolar read two letters into the record from residents unable to attend the meeting,noting their disapproval of the day care home and any special use for same. John Aseltine, 1113 Larraway Drive, stated he has lived at this address for 15 years and he has noted a definite increase in curb traffic. Due to the curve of Larraway Drive, any parked cars on the sides creates line of site problems. He noted his concern for this three teenage drivers who will be using the streets this summer. He further noted other close by child day care centers and questions the need for this kind of child day care home. Commissioner Goldspiel noted that home day care provides a different kind of atmosphere and fills a need for children that is different from that of larger commercial facilities. He noted there have been day care homes operating for several years under the ordinance. As this is something that comes back to the commission every two years,there is an ongoing watchfulness as to whether the subject properties are operating properly or not. This is something that does occur throughout the Village and the commission has had very little problem on the renewals of the existing properties. He further noted the point of a special use is to see if competing interests can be accommodated in a reasonable manner. Joyce Scher, 1109 Larraway Drive,reiterated the increased traffic and parking problems. She noted they did not buy property in a residential district to live across the street from a commercial enterprise. She noted she has counted as many as 10 children standing in front of the home. As more traffic arrives there is increased danger to the children who have so far enjoyed bicycling and rollerblading up and down the street. In addition,this property is highly accessible to the geese around the lake who carry salmonella and other type of bacteria. This property has many fruit bearing trees and the geese flock here. The approval of this special use will be detrimental to the quality of life for the other residents and dangerous to the children she serves as well as to the other children in the neighborhood. Rich Orlov, 1200 Lockwood Drive, stated he is concerned with his enjoyment and use of the sidewalks in the area which will now be limited by cars blocking the sidewalk. He also noted concern with the use of this property as a commercial property which will cause property values to diminish. Sarah Murphy, 1116 Larraway Drive,read a neighbor's letter into the record noting disapproval of the proposed day care home. She stated she feels that a business enterprise is not a welcome addition to the neighborhood. As soon as this day care operation began, she noticed immediately the large number of cars at this house in the driveway and in the street. The house is located on the curve and parked cars narrow the street substantially. She further noted it has been her personal observation that cars stay more than five minutes when dropping off or picking up children. Charles Coburn, 1146 Lockwood Ct. W., stated he is concerned with the lake in the back of the house as well as the cars blocking the sidewalk. He further noted the narrowness of the street Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 8 creates many problems and the addition of this kind of traffic only increases the safety issues. Mark Fitzsimmons, 1111 Larraway Drive, stated that there is a discrepancy between the pickup times and drop off times as noted and there are people parked on the street. He reiterated that there has been a substantial increase of traffic and commotion on the street and it is of great concern to him. Carla Gohde, 1118 Larraway Drive, reiterated her child will now have to be watched whenever they are out riding or playing due to the increased traffic instead of being free to enjoy the neighborhood. Biju Nair, 699 Pinehurst Lane, stated his daughter attends this day care because she would not go to a regular school type of day care which they had tried. It is therefore extremely important for him that there is a home day care facility available. He stated that as soon as the parking and traffic issue was brought to the attention of the petitioner,the petitioner immediately informed all the parents to park in the driveway. She is a very responsible person and tries hard to address safety issues. He further noted that the cars purported to be parked on the street were there because the first two weeks of the move, the garage was full of boxes which meant their own cars were parked in the driveway. Once the garage was cleared,their own cars were moved into the garage and all parents were instructed to park in the driveway. Elena Kotlyar, 915 Burgess Circle, stated she also does not want to leave her child in a commercial day care center. In addition, she noted commercial day cares are very expensive and very often are full. The petitioner takes very good care of the children and all of the parents would be more than willing to work out some sort of car pooling or pickup and drop off arrangement to ease the traffic situation. Anna Ainbinder, 940 Inverrary Lane, Deerfield, stated she looked long and hard at various day care providers before choosing this one. She stated the petitioner is a very organized and caring person. Also, the petitioner was a medical care worker in Russia which brings a measure of security to parents. She further noted the parents are willing to do whatever is necessary in order to keep this day care going and preserve relations between all the neighbors. Anna Risman,401 Woodbury Road, stated she is very happy with the petitioner's care and particularly likes the fact that the children spend a good deal of time outdoors. She also noted that she would be happy to comply with any of the neighbors' complaints. Linda Aseltine of 1113 Larraway, stated she has observed as many as 10 children at the day care home. Ms. Lanskikh stated that she also gives music lessons twice a week. One child who was coming has now stopped coming to her home and attends the JCC and another child was only coming along for the music lesson for one hour. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 9 Mr. Lanskikh stated that they were aware of the need for a fence but were prevented from installing one when they moved in as it was winter time. Also,he stated he felt it was rather interesting that suddenly everyone on the block has a need to either leave their home or arrive home within the same hour. Commissioner Samuels asked if the petitioner was aware that they would only be allowed 8 children in the day care home despite the DCFS license permitting up to 12 children. Ms. Lanskikh stated two of the children come only for 30 minute music lessons twice a week. Commissioner Trilling noted that the petitioner would be making it even more difficult for herself by asking for more than 8 children. Commissioner Berman asked how large the home is. Ms. Lanskikh stated the home has four bedrooms,a living and dining room, den and kitchen. Commissioner Samuels asked if there were any suggestions from the other homeowners that might help alleviate some of their complaints. Ms. Stolar stated she would not want this day care home under any circumstances as she sees same changing the character of the neighborhood. Sarah Murphy commented that even if drop-offs and pick-ups are staggered,there would still be a lot of additional traffic in the neighborhood that would affect the residents. Roberta Siegel, 1100 Lockwood Drive, also stated this activity would substantially change the character of the neighborhood. Mr. John Borzych, 408 Lamont Terrace, stated his kids often have trouble using the park equipment which is always being used by children from this day care home. Annie Osnis noted that the petitioner did advise parents of the various complaints and the need to park on their driveway only. In addition she also noted that all the parents are more than willing to car pool or anything else that can be done to satisfy the neighbors' complaints. Gene Bobrov, 308 Vintage Lane, stated they have used this day care for about one year and the children have always been well supervised. He noted everything is kept very clean and orderly. Commissioner Trilling asked if there was any number of children acceptable to the residents. There was a showing of a willingness to accept 3-4 children. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 10 Mr. Lanskikh noted they would not be able to earn a living with only 3-4 children and would not be able to run the day care home. There being no further comments or questions from anyone else present, Chairman Goldspiel closed the public hearing at 9:50 p.m. Resp ly submitte Fay ubin,R cor g Secretary APP OVED: ST P N GOLDSPIEL, hairman Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Public Hearing-March 17, 1999-Page 11 REGULAR MEETING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION March 17, 1999 1110 Larraway Drive-Special Use for a Child Day Care Home in the R-5 District Aisle 3, 1010 Lake Cook Road (Computer Discount Warehouse building), Special Use concerning retail sales in the Industrial District-Workshop#1 Village Zoning Map-Annual Review Chairman Goldspiel called the meeting to order at 10:00 p.m. in the Village Council Chambers, Buffalo Grove Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Commissioners present: Chairman Goldspiel Mr. Samuels Mr. Berman Mr. Trilling Mr. Viehman Commissioners absent: Mr. Krug Ms. Howard Mr. Ottenheimer Mr. Moons Also Present: Ms. Svetlana Lanskikh Mr. Dennis Lanskikh Mr. William Raysa, Village Attorney Mr. Brian Rubin,Village Trustee Mr. Robert Pfeil, Village Planner APPROVAL OF MINUTES Moved by Commissioner Viehman, seconded by Commissioner Samuels to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of February 3, 1999. Chairman Goldspiel noted a grammatical error on page 5. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion as amended and the motion passed unanimously. Moved by Commissioner Samuels, seconded by Commissioner Trilling to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of February 17, 1999. Commissioner Viehman stated that some mention Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 1 of the fact that a public hearing was suggested as the next step be added to page 7. Also page 19 should indicate that a second workshop was suggested. Commissioner Berman stated page 7 should indicate that he did not believe there was any indication of a conflict of interest for him but thought he should make the disclosure COMMITTEE AND LIAISON REPORTS `./ Commissioner Samuels attended the Village Board meeting on March 15, 1999 and stated the following items were discussed: 1. Pre-application conference for construction of a U-Store-It facility east of the Wisconsin Central Railroad tracks. Discussion as to whether this should be in the Industrial District which would require a 50 foot setback or in the B-4 District which has a 25 foot setback. 2. Referral to the Plan Commission of the expansion of the Northwest Community Health Care facility at Weiland and Lake Cook Road. The main issue will be parking. A portion of right-of-way will be dedicated to the Village of Wheeling on the southernmost end of the property to accommodate possible future alignment of Weiland with Buffalo Grove Road 1110 LARRAWAY DRIVE - SPECIAL USE FOR A CHILD DAY CARE HOME IN THE R-5 DISTRICT Moved by Commissioner Samuels, seconded by Commissioner Viehman to recommend approval to the Village Board of the petition for approval of a Special Use to operate a Child Day Care Home with a maximum of eight children in a single-family residence in the R-5 One-Family Dwelling District. Chairman Goldspiel asked if the ordinance allows for two extra music students at this home. Mr. Raysa stated the ordinance allows only eight children under age 14 on the premises and therefore the music students would be over the number of children allowed. He noted that the special use standards for child day care homes are tied to impacts such as traffic, and any children coming to the premises would be part of the overall impact. Commissioner Samuels asked how licensed homes are policed for compliance. Mr. Pfeil stated there are regular inspections as well as a renewal process that all licensed homes must go through. In addition, all complaints are immediately checked out. Commissioner Samuels stated that the petitioner is very sincere,however, he also understands the neighbors' concerns and positions. He noted that the crux of the matter is regarding the Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 2 traffic. He noted his concern with the fact that the petitioner obviously bought the home for commercial purposes and it is therefore his inclination not to support the motion. He commented that the special use procedure for child day care was intended for stay-at-home parents conducting the day care as an accessory use to the primary residential use of a property. He said that home day care was never intended by the Village to become a commercial operation in residential districts. He noted that he might support the motion if there were fewer children in the home, but he cannot support a special use for eight children at this property based on the facts presented at the hearing. Commissioner Viehman stated that he understands the developmental needs of children, and the current petitioner's quality of care has been favorably attested to by the parents of the children she supervises. He noted, however,that the neighborhood has problems relating to traffic. He concurred with Commissioner Samuels that the intent of the Village's special use for child day care in single-family homes was intended to be an accessory use,not a commercial operation. Commissioner Berman noted that he understands the difference between home day care and commercial day care and noted that the petitioner appears to be very sincere. He also stated he does not object to home day care within appropriate limits. However,this situation seems to be more than the site can accommodate without creating impacts on the neighborhood. He noted that the adjacent residents' objections are unusually strong,which makes it clear there is a problem here. Chairman Goldspiel stated he feels that this is a perfect location for home day care due to the fact that this street leads to a major street without actually sitting on a major thoroughfare. He also said the limited number of houses adjacent to the property makes it conducive for children and the street is of a standard residential width. Therefore, every criteria for a child day care home has been met. He further noted that a previous home day care which was rejected had been turned down because there were actual dangers to the community which this home does not have. He pointed out that a child day care special use is given a two-year approval, and the operation can be evaluated in terms of impact before reauthorizing the special use. He also commented that reducing the number of children at this location is not appropriate as that would only mean that the number of additional employees helping to care for the children would also be reduced. Commissioner Berman pointed out that this home is adjacent to a large lake and the adjacent area is not just a few houses on a street but a full fledged neighborhood. The driveway is inadequate to provide adequate off-street parking and does not meet the special use standard for parking. He stated the intensity of the use is too much in this particular neighborhood. Commissioner Trilling stated he concurs that the driveway can only hold two cars and the major problem here is the traffic. He suggested that staggered hours of drop-off and pick-up of the children could possibly address some of the traffic impact issues that have been raised. He commented that a limit concerning the number of vehicles that can use the facility appears to be needed to control traffic impacts. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 3 Commissioner Samuels asked if it would be better to make the motion subject to no more than six children as well as policing the outside to ensure there is no parking problem. He further suggested that parking on the street all day be allowed for one car only. He suggested that the motion could be further refined to require outdoor supervision of drop-off and pick-up traffic and to limit the time for each vehicle to be at the premises to ten minutes. In addition, vehicles would not be allowed to block the sidewalk, and additional use of the property for activities such as music lessons would not be permitted. He noted that the intent of the conditions is to make the child day care home as unobtrusive as possible for the neighborhood. Chairman Goldspiel suggested that a vote be taken on the original motion allowing eight children before a vote on the second motion limiting the use to six children with conditions. Chairman Goldspiel called for a vote on the motion to allow eight children;the vote was as follows: AYES: Goldspiel NAYES: Samuels, Berman, Trilling, Viehman ABSENT: Krug, Howard, Ottenheimer, Moons ABSTAIN: None The motion failed 4 to 1. Moved by Commissioner Samuels, seconded by Commissioner Berman to recommend to the Village Board approval of the petition for approval of a Special Use to operate a Child Day Care Home in a single-family residence in the R-5 One-Family Dwelling District, subject to: 1. A maximum of six children 2. A maximum of two cars parked in the driveway at one time 3. A maximum of one car parked on the street in front of the property Mr. Raysa pointed out that limit of six children would apply to all children under age 14 on the premises including music students and persons residing at the property. Commissioner Trilling inquired if the petitioner would be able to operate the facility with a limit of six children. Ms. Lanskikh replied that she would not be financially able to operate with only six children. Commissioner Berman suggested that if the approval is limited to six children, it would give Ms. Lanskikh an opportunity to show that the day care home can be managed with minimal impacts on the neighborhood. She could eventually request an approval allowing eight children if Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 4 operation with six children was determined to be acceptable by the Plan Commission and Village Board based on pertinent facts. Chairman Goldspiel said that he does not see a reduction of two vehicles from eight to six as a significant change in the operation of the facility or impact on the neighborhood. Commissioner Samuels noted that it would be a reduction of 25 percent, which would be significant for the neighborhood. Commissioner Berman suggested that the motion concerning approval for six children be tabled to allow time for the petitioner to evaluate her situation and give her an opportunity to discuss ways to reduce impacts with her neighbors. Commissioner Viehman agreed that it would be a good idea to table the motion in order to give the petitioner and the neighbors a chance to get together and see what solutions may be possible to address impacts. Commissioner Berman made a motion to table the motion recommending a limit of six children and with the operational conditions as set forth in the motion. Chairman Goldspiel called for a vote to table the motion for approval of six children; the vote was as follows: AYES: Samuels, Berman, Viehman NAYES: Goldspiel, Trilling ABSENT: Krug, Howard, Ottenheimer, Moons ABSTAIN: None The motion passed 3 to 2 and the matter was tabled until the next meeting on April 7, 1999. AISLE 3, 1010 LAKE COOK ROAD (COMPUTER DISCOUNT WAREHOUSE BUILDING)., SPECIAL USE CONCERNING RETAIL SALES IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT-- WORKSHOP #1 Mr. Schwartz stated Aisle 3 is a related entity to the Fallen's Basement Corporation. He stated their petition is to modify the former CDW building and the adjoining parcel to the north for use as a warehouse/retail outlet. They are seeking a Special Use in the Industrial District. A Special Use had already been granted to CDW to allow for retail within the site, but the special use ordinance only permits 1,000 square feet. This building is 101,400 square feet. CDW is going to continue to occupy the building as office space to the extent of 26,900 square feet for another four years. Aisle 3 is seeking to utilize 75,500 square feet of the building for an Aisle 3 retail store. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 5 Mr. Schwartz stated the agreement that has been reached with the property owner, Hamilton Partners Industrial, is to sub-lease from them for the balance of their term the building and the vacant parcel to the north which has been utilized by CDW for parking. In addition, Aisle 3 is contracting, via lease, with Hamilton Partners,the direct landowner, for two five year options thereafter. This is a long term relationship that is being developed. He stated they are here tonight seeking the Commission's recommendation and review of the Special Use request to convert this industrial site into a retail site. L Mr. Ingram stated Aisle 3 is a large format soft lines apparel store in the range of 70,000 to 80,000 square feet. It operates weekends only, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It is operated this way for several reasons. First, that is the time most people like to shop. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday it becomes a warehouse receiving station. They will usually receive one truck per day and sometimes two per day. The merchandise is then readied for the store on Friday morning. This is very compatible with industrial type positions because Saturday and Sunday traffic is almost nonexistent in industrial parks. There is an overlap of traffic on Friday but what saves the Friday traffic is the fact that between 4:00-7:00 p.m. is not prime shopping hours. Mr. Ingram stated the Aisle 3 store is estimated to a minimum of twenty million dollars. Because of the volume, it buys its merchandise at the same time as the department stores do. He noted there are four such stores open to date in the Chicagoland area. Mr. Ingram stated they do not intend to use all the truck docks and have therefore added a row of parking. He stated they intend to keep the industrial nature of the building intact. Mr. Schwartz stated this is not off brand merchandise or seconds. This is first quality merchandise but at a more competitive price. Commissioner Samuels asked what the parking requirements are now for CDW. Mr. Schwartz stated they currently have 90 spaces. These 90 spaces will go away when they are finished using the property. Commissioner Samuels asked how many employees there will be. Mr. Ingram stated there will be approximately 20 full time employees and over a 12 hour day they will have about 40 part time employees Commissioner Samuels asked about employees on warehouse days. Mr. Ingram stated there would be about 10-12 employees. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 6 Commissioner Samuels asked what Mr. Ingram's experience is with parking at the stores that are already open. Mr. Ingram stated the store pictured which is 73,000 square feet has 325 parking spaces to which they added an additional 35 employee parking spaces during the grand opening. Commissioner Samuels asked if the lease will include all of the parking spaces as described for the full term of the lease. Mr. Ingram stated that for the first 4 %z years it will include all the spaces. At the time CDW leaves, it may not include their 90 spaces. Commissioner Samuels asked what the hours of operation are. Mr. Ingram stated the store is open about 35 hours a week on the weekends. They are usually open 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. on Friday and Saturday and 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. on Sunday. Commissioner Samuels asked if any additional improvements are needed to the parking such as lighting or anything else. Mr. Ingram stated no. He noted they may need some restriping. Commissioner Samuels asked if Aisle 3 will also have offices in the building either now or in the future. Mr. Ingram stated all offices will be on the first floor. Commissioner Samuels asked if the acquisition of the CDW offices would be used as additional floor space. Mr. Ingram stated they will not use the area at all. Commissioner Samuels asked if they would sublet that area. Mr. Ingram stated they have not thought that far ahead but they might want to sublet in which case they would need the 90 parking spaces. Commissioner Samuels asked for an explanation of the 150 space lot. Mr. Ingram stated that lot is theirs as long as CDW is there or as long as they continue to lease it from Hamilton Partners. He noted that it happens to coincide with space that CDW once leased. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 7 Commissioner Samuels stated he is concerned that Aisle 3 will be able to retain it if they were to sublet out the CDW space. Mr. Ingram stated he would be happy to accept that as a condition. He further stated that Hamilton Partners has advised him that there is enough space here that they do not plan on doing anything else here in the immediate future. Commissioner Samuels asked if hours are significantly altered during the season from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Mr. Ingram stated they do stay open during the weeks between Thanksgiving and the third week in December seven days per week. Commissioner Trilling asked about the viability of the store based on the dressing down of America especially in men's apparel. Mr. Ingram stated suits are a major portion of the store but they also carry slacks and sports jackets. However, there is still a sizable suit business and they attempt to keep their prices where people are still interested in coming.. Chairman Goldspiel asked if the 150 parking spaces are attributed to anyone else's project. Mr. Ingram stated not to his knowledge. Mr. Schwartz stated those spaces were attributed to CDW and were used by them at one time. Chairman Goldspiel asked if a tractor trailer will be able to maneuver through the parking lot and get to the truck docks. Mr. Ingram stated everything already exists and they have all managed to make it in to a large number of docks. He stated they have only ceased using most of the docks. Chairman Goldspiel asked if Aisle 3 will fill in the ramps. Mr. Ingram stated no because someday if they leave, they may get someone who would want them. Chairman Goldspiel asked if they anticipate many UPS/Federal Express type of usage. Mr. Ingram stated the current delivery rate on that is one a day. Chairman Goldspiel asked why Aisle 3 feels positioning itself in this industrial park will afford them to offer merchandise at discount prices. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 8 Mr. Ingram stated that obviously they will pay substantially less in rent in this place than in a conventional shopping center. The occupancy cost here allows them to convert the money they may have spent for rent into advertising or additional merchandise or better bargains. Chairman Goldspiel asked why the cost will be less in building such as this than in a conventional shopping center if it is the same amount of square feet. Mr. Ingram stated the cost to lease this building is one third of the cost to lease in Schaumburg in a conventional space. This is due to the fact that it is warehouse space. Chairman Goldspiel stated that one of the biggest concerns is how to work the access here off of Lake Cook Road when Hastings does not have traffic lights. He asked how the shoppers will get in safely at this juncture. Mr. Ingram stated westbound traffic will come off the slip ramp and exit in the same manner. Coming in the opposite direction there are two options. One is the signalized intersection which brings you in Armstrong and secondly at each and every one of their stores they use uniformed town police details for traffic direction. Chairman Goldspiel asked how the people will know to navigate from the circuitous route from Lexington. Mr. Ingram stated they use signs and the police officers to direct them. Commissioner Samuels stated it is only the left turn bay onto eastbound Lake Cook which is the difficult maneuver. If they have a police officer directing eastbound traffic to exit through the Armstrong circuit, it will not be a problem at all. Chairman Goldspiel asked how they will keep people from going up Armstrong. Mr. Schwartz stated his best answer is signage and if signage does not work, then if someone directing traffic is required, then that is what will be done. Mr. Pfeil stated there is a plan to make it more restrictive than it is now, so movements to westbound Armstrong from Lexington would basically be prohibited. He stated he will get further verification. Chairman Goldspiel commented that he is concerned with short-term sales in industrial areas, and the zoning text amendment should be structured to encourage retail sales,not short-term events. Mr. Schwartz said that the text amendment should be specific in nature so that it is not going to be abused elsewhere in the community because you are not looking to change all of your Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 9 industrial to retail. It can be drafted in such a fashion so that it is limited to this area. Chairman Goldspiel asked if there will be a lot of other people following this precedent and looking for cheaper places to rent in industrial parks. Mr. Schwartz stated the idea of rents being cheaper in industrial sites rather than retail sites is not a novel idea. Li Commissioner Samuels noted that what is unique here is that this site faces Lake Cook Road. Mr. Schwartz stated that is exactly the point. Without being situated on Lake Cook Road and without the signage as it is now they would not be interested. Mr. Schwartz stated there are certain ways to draft the amendment so that it resolves the issue. Commissioner Viehman asked if this item could be dealt with as a special use so that the criteria could be established along the lines discussed here. Mr. Pfeil commented that amendment of the current special use standards concerning retail sales in the Industrial District appears to be the best approach in regulating large-scale retail facilities. Commissioner Viehman noted that this would mean some specific criteria that would allow for circumstances such as this but preclude a situation such as Chairman Goldspiel is concerned about. Mr. Pfeil agreed. Commissioner Samuels asked if a public hearing is required. Mr. Pfeil stated a public hearing is required for two things. One is for the text amendment and the other is to grant the special use. Mr. Schwartz stated he would like to go to public hearing and also understands the request for a traffic report. He stated they can provide a traffic report and give projected counts and can state that they can sign Armstrong Drive and put people out to direct traffic. However, they cannot signalize Hastings, the left turn out is the only one and cannot be remedied. He noted they understand the issues but cannot change any of the numbers or configurations and therefore there is nothing they can do. Chairman Goldspiel stated he cannot see approving something of this magnitude and this much of a change without having input from the traffic consultant. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 10 Mr. Schwartz stated if they have to do a traffic report,they would still like to come back to a public hearing instead of another workshop. Commissioner Viehman stated he feels the traffic report will recite what is already known based on circumstances already existing. However,he feels it is essential to support the premise of this project and would be a positive gesture to make. This can be done at a public hearing. Commissioner Trilling stated they are exceeding the ordinance relative to parking and from a standpoint of traffic he can only hope there are lines to get in to this venture. Commissioner Samuels stated this use is no more intensive a use from a traffic standpoint than CDW was when they were operating fully. Commissioner Trilling stated he does not know if a traffic study will tell him any more than he knows right now. He also stated he does not know of any more positive changes that can occur here and he feels this can go to public hearing. Commissioner Berman stated he concurs that this can go to public hearing. He further stated that any traffic study will only say that there will be a significant number of cars,but the roadway will function within acceptable limits. He noted they will need to do some careful signage and on peak days will probably need people assisting. He stated this a positive use of a dark space in the Village. Chairman Goldspiel stated going to a public hearing was fine with him but he would still like to see a traffic report. Mr. Pfeil stated there should be a better understanding of the traffic management plan. The Village consultant can look at the traffic plan and this may be the most expedient way to complete a fairly quick traffic impact analysis. It is also necessary to understand the proposed offsite signage which is generally not allowed by the Village's sign code and therefore the proposal for traffic management via signage must be clearly understood. Mr. Schwartz asked if the suggestion is that they prepare a traffic management analysis to show how they will sign and move traffic within the site and that the Village traffic engineer will look at the site so that a private traffic engineering consult will not have to be used. Mr. Pfeil stated that was his suggestion. Mr. Schwartz stated that is acceptable to them. Mr. Pfeil stated that if the traffic management plan is going to be premised on things like offsite signage, the Commission needs to know about that. This does not mean the Plan Commission approves same, but it is material as to how the whole thing will go through the regulatory process Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 11 as quickly as possible. Chairman Goldspiel noted that pedestrian management also needs to be pointed out clearly. The Commission decided this matter should go to a public hearing. VILLAGE ZONING MAP--ANNUAL REVIEW Moved by Commissioner Berman, seconded by Commissioner Samuels to recommend approval to the Village Board of the zoning map dated March 3, 1999. Chairman Goldspiel called for a vote on the motion and the vote was as follows: AYES: Samuels, Berman, Trilling, Viehman, Goldspiel NAYES: None ABSENT: Krug, Howard, Ottenheimer,Moons ABSTAIN: None The motion passed 5 to 0. CHAIRMAN'S REPORT-None FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE Mr. Pfeil asked if the Commission wanted to accommodate Zale developers for a special meeting on March 24, 1999. The Commission did not wish to do so. PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS -None STAFF REPORT-None NEW BUSINESS -None ADJOURNMENT Moved by Commissioner Trilling, seconded by Commissioner Berman and carried unanimously to adjourn. Chairman Goldspiel adjourned the meeting at 12:15 a.m. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 12 Respect submitted, Fay Rub' ,Reco i g Secretary APPROVED BY: it") ,LA )'' P EN GOLDSPIEL, Chairman S n Buffalo Grove Plan Commission-Regular Meeting-March 17, 1999-Page 13