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MINUTES OF THE
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
JUNE 20, 1973
Chairman Carl Genrich called the meeting to order at 8:25PM in the
Park District Building, 150 Raupp Blvd.
Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Harris
Mr. Shields
Mr. Keister
Commissioners Absent: Mr. VanEngen
Mr. Gamm
Mr. Haarr
Also present was Mr. William A. Dettmer, Chief Inspector and approximately
100 to 125 community residents.
Approval of Minutes
Commr. Keister made a motion, seconded by Commr. Keister, to approve the
Public Hearing minutes of Lieberman Realtors of June 13. The motion passed
unanimously.
Cambridge On The Lake
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Robert Verbic, Project Manager for Cambridge On
The Lake, to summarize their request for change in the approved development
plan.
Mr. Verbic summarized his proposal as such: In May he came before the
Commission and asked for an amendment to the approved ordinance of
Cambridge On The Lake. The approved ordinance asked for seven buildings,
five which are built, two with ninety-six units in each structure. Our
proposal would involve the elimination of both the six-story buildings
and replace them with one four-story building, eigh' units. Mr. Verbic
presented a revised site plan identifying the size and location of the
proposed building.
Commr. Keister asked Mr. Verbic about the tentative plan for the use of
the additional open area and if it would be tennis courts.
Mr. Verbic's reply was that they had looked at the overall project profile
and the total land involved and desire to maintain the type of environment
already created by Cambridge On The Lake; they would try and keep this
mostly landscaping.
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Cambridge On The Lake continued
Mr. Verbic also presented a chart on the parking areas:
1 ) 118 spaces between Building 2 and 5.
2) 120 spaces in front of Building 5.
3) 60 spaces - Building 4 and 5.
4 46 in front of Building 4.
5 35 spaces between Building 3 and 4.
6 100 spaces between Building 1 and 3.
Commr. Keister went on to question Mr. Verbic on the length of the new
proposed building. Mr. Verbic stated that the building is 600 ft. long -
also that the Appearance Commission did not object to the length of the
building.
Commr. Shields questioned if they plan to meet the Village building
standards. Mr. Verbic responded by saying that they intend to meet the
Village's requirements and always have met the codes.
Corner. Harris was concerned with the presentation to the residents about
their monthly fees. Mr. Verbic said it would go up $4.23 which would be
18%.
Chairman Genrich then asked for statements from any of the residents of
the Buildings.
Mr. Ex gave a statement from Mr. Dickert, Building Chairman, Building One,
which requested a new expense proposal and asked if tennis courts were to
be built.
Mr. Steinfield, Chairman, Board of Managers, Building Two, said he
represented 90% of the owners and he took a poll to see if they were in
favor of either the new plan of one building or the old plan of the two
buildings. They were in favor of the one building. He also felt the
parking space is adequate and had done research to support this contention.
Mr. Nudelman, Building Four, stated he had purchased part of the common
area and questioned Mr. Brown's right to change the plan, because when
they bought the property he sold it on the first proposed plan.
Mr. Verbic after further checking the information he had with him
referring to an earlier question, clarified the parking ratio to be
1.6 and 2.2 under the new plan. Mr. Verbic also reported on a poll he
had of owners approving the plan.
1) From Building 1 and 5, 67 people were contacted,
,‘.,./ 65 signed the plan , 2 chose not to sign.
2) From Building 3 he did not receive a petition but
the Building Chairman called and reported he had
received an unanimous vote.
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Cambridge On The Lake continued
3) Building 4 had 13 signatures from two floors.
There was some dispute over the figures of both Mr. Steinfeld and
Mr. Verbic. Views were also expressed asking for a delay in the
Commission's decision so that further study could be made of the total
financial impact on the current owners. Mr. Verbic said any delay in
a decision would hurt. He also presented density figures which depict
the population breakdown of their various models.
Commr. Harris read a letter from Mr. Robert Grossman. The conclusion
of his letter was:
1 ) The density reduction is desirable.
2) The building is large but workable.
3) The parking solution is workable.
4) The economic consideration appeared to be
reasonable.
5) The proposed development is desirable.
Chairman Genrich stated the Mr. Grossman is not currently under contract
to the Village and he apparently prepared the statement as an owner, not
a paid consultant of either the Village or Brown.
Chairman Genrich stated that Mr. Mel Kandel had presented a letter to the
Commission on this project which had been temporarily misplaced and asked
if anyone knew Mr. Kandel 's feelings. Mr. Steinfield spoke for Mr. Kandel
saying he was in favor of the one building.
Mr. Verbic clarified his intent with the land use. He said it would be
open - possibly a barbecue set-up or fountains. Mr. Ex stood up and said
he felt tennis courts or a miniature sport would help the sales.
Mr. Michael Lieder said he felt the plans were changed because they could
not provide inside parking with the original building. He felt the architect
made a mistake and this is why the plans were changed.
Chairman Genrich said the, Commission at this time would not try to resolve
the problem of the tennis courts.
�-' Mr. Brown said a delay would be serious for business; he would like a
decision pro or con.
The Chairman then terminated open discussion.
Commr. Shields made a motion to accept the new revised plan of a one-story
and Commr. Harris seconded the motion. A discussion was held and Commr.
Keister said he was for it and Commr. Mendenhall objected to seeing a fortress
when you drive down Dundee Road.
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Cambridge On The Lake continued
Chairman Genrich then took a vote:
�.. AYES: Mr. Keister
Mr. Shields
Mr. Harris
NAPES: Mr. Mendenhall
The Chairman after confering with the Plan Commission members and consulting
the Village and Plan Commission Ordinance, stated it was a majority vote
and Cambridge On The Lake would be recommended to the Village Board for
approval .
Lieberman Realtors
Mr. Lieberman gave a brief presentation on his proposal . He already has
approval for the project on Dundee Road but wanted to add additional size
to the project. The parcel under consideration is the east parcel known
as the Mitchell property. He said he already has received approval of his
provisions for lighting and for the appearance of the building from the
Appearance Commission. He said he will make the building something the
community will be proud of. The piece of land he is requesting annexation
and zoning for is presently in unincorporated Cook County. He would make
provisions for landscaping.
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Lieberman to present any changes he had made in
his annexation agreement as a result of Commission's requests. Mr. Lieberman
replied with saying there were only a few basic changes.
Chairman Genrich then asked Mr. Lieberman if there was anything else.
Mr. Lieberman replied that he had met with some of the residents and
said there were some provisions he was willing to make in their behalf
such as shrubbery and/or fencing.
Commr. Keister and Mr. Lieberman discussed the sidewalk and no matter what
the Plan Commission says the sidewalk would be put within the next five
years.
One resident objected to the new parcel stating their home would be only
twelve feet away from the property lines. Also some residents feared
there would be flooding on their lawns. Other residents feared the smell
and rats. Mr. Lieberman then said there would be no tavern or restaurant.
Chairman Genrich said he could not see anyone coming in and building a
single family residence here.
Mr. Kearns, 364 Dundee Parkway, asked the Commission to postpone a decision
to give the residents more time to consider Lieberman's plans. He also
exhibited a petition from other residents of the area who objected to
Mr. Lieberman's plans. Mr. Lieberman said the delay would hurt.
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Lieberman Realtors continued
Commr. Harris clarified that Mr. Lieberman already has approval to construct
a property to the west of us and what he is asking for is an extention.
Chairman Genrich terminated the discussion.
Commr. Mendenhall made a motion to table. There was no second, Commr. Harris
moved approval with Commr. Shields seconding the motion. A vote was then
taken:
AYES: Mr. Harris
Mr. Shields
NAPES: Mr. Keister
ABSTAINED: Mr. Mendenhall
The Chairman stated that in effect this was a no recommendation vote.
Unless the Village Board acts upon this annexation prior to an opportunity
for the Commission to reconsider this, the Commission will reschedule this
annexation for another meeting as early as possible.
Phoenix Construction
Chairman Genrich began by asking Mr. Jack Siegel , the attorney, to summarize
his proposal .
Mr. Siegel began by saying there would be a slight change in the plan due to
the alignment change on Lake Cook Road. Phoenix is planning to build four
parcels consisting of townhouses and condominiums, with three of the parcels
overlooking the golf course. He concluded by saying he would like a decision
made on the parcels as he has been waiting to build since last July.
Phoenix agreed to make donations to the school district according to the
Village resoluation, but if meeting these financial stipulations could not
provide donation of the 41/2 acres to the Village. Comer. Mendenhall questioned
him on the golf course and his reply was that he felt the golf course would
continue to exist and that these plans were based on the golf course staying
as a permanent use.
The development proposed - all for condominium ownership - consists of four
parcels being requested for rezoning.
North of Route 83: A rezoning from R-1 to R-9 multiple family of 33 acres
to be developed in 240 townhouses at an approximate density of 7.3 units
per acre.
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Phoenix Construction continued
Parcel A - North of Golf Course: A rezoning to R-9 to allow 139 town-
, houses and garden condominium units on approximately 12 acres at a den-
sity of about 11 .6 units per acre.
Parcel C - East of Golf Course: A rezoning to R-9 for purposes of building
324 apartment condominiums (3 and 4 story) on approximately 16 acres at a
density of 20 units per acre.
Parcel B - South of Golf Course: A request for a rezoning to R-9 to allow
a development of apartment condominiums and townhouses. Upon request of
the Plan Commission the developer agreed to delete one of four apartment
condominium developments and to revise the plan from 486 units originally
requested to a maximum of 436 units or less.
There was some disagreements on the different parcels so Chairman Genrich
conducted a separate vote for each of the parcels:
Parcel A: Commr. Shields motioned it to be passed and it was seconded by
Commr. Harris.
AYES: Mr. Shields
Mr. Keister
Mr. Harris
NAPES: Mr. Mendenhall
Parcel B: Commr. Harris made the first motion and it was seconded by
Cnr. Keister.
AYES: Mr. Shields
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
NAPES: Mr. Mendenhall
Parcel C: Commr. Shields motioned for Parcel C to be passed and Commr.
Keister seconded the motion.
AYES: Mr. Shields
Mr. Keister
Mr. Harris
Mr. Mendenhall
Parcel North of Route 83: Motion made by Keister, seconded by Commr. Shields
to approve.
AYES: Mr. Shields
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
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Commr. Shields made the motion for an overall approval of all the parcels
and Commr. Harris seconded the motion.
AYES: Mr. Shields
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
NAPES: Mr. Mendenhall
Respectfully submitted,
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Kim Walscheid
Approved:
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Carl Genrich, Chairmar(
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