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1973-09-12 - Plan Commission - Minutes PRELIMINARY MINUTES - NOT APPROVED • VILLAGE OF GROVE 1€r,(1 i el d. _ ' � 10 W4014ne> W/ 649090 , l MINUTES OF THE / BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER -tit, 1973 Chairman, Carl Genrich, called the meeting to order at 8:25 P.M. , September 10, 1973, in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard. Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman Mr. Haarr Mr. Haarr, Asst. Chairman Mr. Harris Mr. Keister Mr. Mendenhall Commissioners Absnet: Mr. Gamm Mr. Shields (out of town) Mr. Van Engen (commitments at work) Also Present: Mr. Arnold Seaberg, Village Engineer Mr. William Hintzman, Superintendent School District 96 APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Mendenhall motioned to approve the minutes of September 5, 1973, with the following corrections. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Haarr. Motion carried. The minutes were approved and corrected as follows: Paragraph 3, 1st sentence should read: Commissioner Haarr questioned the fact (page 1 ) he could put up an 8' fence, because he believes the fence ordinance states that it can only be 6' high. Page 2 Paragraph 1 , 2nd sentence: The word "number" was typed incorrectly and corrected. Page 2 "Page 5, Item 5, will include": Last sentence should read: Sales of house trailers with the understand- ing that the purchaser be allowed to sell self-propelled recreation vehicles. Page 3 Heitkotter Property Paragraph 7 - The following words were added. "Mr. Moore agreed." Page 4 Paragraph 1 , 1st sentence should read: Commissioner Ganm moved -.ter Page 2 September 10, 1973 Plan Commission APPROVAL OF MINUTES (Continued) Page 4 General Business Paragraph 1 , last sentence should read: He also informed the Commission that 73.39 was passed (PUD Ordinance) with minor wording changes. Paragraph 2; the following words should be added: and they were in general agreement with the plan as presented. OTIS & ASSOCIATES (The Crossings) Those representing this project were: Mr. Andrew McPherson, Ottis Associates Engineer Mr. James Otis Mr. Dick Redemske Mr. John Hooper, Consulting Engineer Mr. Otis stated that they had met with the Appearance Commission and the Village Board. Only one change was made: Sewer layout, phase II which included the recreation center and ran in a northerly direction to the center line dividing phase II, was changed to stop at the townhouses. Mr. Otis asked for approval of this particular section, and had the survey available. From his discussion with the Park District, they will work together to plan for the acquisition of the Village of Long Grove's sanitary district. This particular area is of no use to Long Grove, but would give Otis & Associates control of the area directly west of the Crossings. It was indicated that ground would be broken this Fall . Commissioner Keister asked if the roads would all be be completed next year. Mr. Otis replied that two of the three vital outlets will be completed. A discussion followed. The final plat was checked against the Subdivision Control Ordinance. Commissioner Haarr indicated that the Commission would like to receive a copy of sheet 3 of 3. He also indicated that there should be three stone monuments. Commissioner Haar than made a motion to approve the final plat of the Crossings' West Dividion of Block II, provided that the Commission receive the necessary documents and that the necessary corrections previously stipulated be made. Commissioner Mendenhall seconded the motion. A vote was taken and all were in favor. The Plan Commission will recommend approval of the final plat to the Village Board. LIEBERMAN Final plat was signed subject to Engineering approval . t Page 3 (REVISED) September 10, 1973 Plan Commission GENERAL BUSINESS VW Dealership/Marquardt Property - Commissioner Mendenhall spoke with Mr. Seaberg last week regarding the water retention for the Marquardt property and it was concluded that the VW dealership would have to provide its own water retention. The planned retention on the golf course is for the existing development only. Flower Shop/Heitkotter Property - Commissioner Mendenhall spoke with Mr. Seaberg relative to the sewer and water situation. Mr. Seaberg suggested they might possibly get a permit to use the septic field from the Lake County Board of Health. (They now have this permit. ) In general , the following ideas were tossed around: 1 ) The developer should agree for sewer tap-on within 5 years. 2) The developer should agree to tap-on to village water supply when it is available within 200' . LEVITT & SONS Those present in this regard were: Mr. Ken Campbell Mr. Bob Brandwein Copies of the revised plan were distributed to the Commissioners. In accordance with the Commission's previous requests, the necessary changes had been made. The alignment Strathmore Grove Drive was changed; in addition the short culdesac streets had to be turned around enlarging the residential area and 2 lots in that area deleted. Chairman Genrich informed the Commissioners that Mr. Box from Box & Associates was present this evening, and asked Mr. Box his opinion of the plat. Mr. Box reviewed the plat and gave the following opinions: 1 ) The plan did not provide for continuity of east-west traffic 2) He wondered why there was out-of-way traffic travel on Chatelain Drive, 3) It would not be practical to get a curb radii at the inter- sections of Strathmore Grove Drive and Chatelain Drive with the dead-end area streets, 4) A 5'x5' triangle dedication would be needed to increase the R-O-W at those corners. Chairman Genrich questioned Mr. Campbell as to the width of the streets. Mr. Campbell replied that they were 24' with curb and 27' with curb. Strathmore Grove Drive he believes will be 35' in width. Mr. Box indicated that a 15' minimum radius would be needed. Mr. Campbell stated that if there was a problem with the curb encroaching on a particular lot that the necessary adjustments would be made. Mr. Seaberg stated that he felt that the streets did not need to be any wider, as they are not going to be used for thru streets. There are six dead-end streets which do not have curbs. Commissioner Harris asked how these hammerhead streets were constructed. Mr. Campbell indicated that they were constructed the same as the other streets, except that there are no curbs. Each of the homes on the lots will have a garage (REVISED) Page 4 September 10, 1973 Plan Commission LEVITT & SONS (Continued) with a two-car driveway, where 4 cars can easily be parked. He sees no problem with parking. It was, in fact, their desire not to have curbs in this area in order to achieve the atmosphere of a small exclusive court. Commissioner Mendenhall asked where the sidewalk easement was for the school . Mr. Campbell indicated that there is a sidewalk dedication for the school . Commissioner Mendenhall asked who would bear the cost of improving the retention area. Mr. Campbell stated that the retention area and sidewalk would be improved by Levitt. Mr. Seaberg feels that possibly a sidewalk connecting the deadend streets would be a good idea. He would leave it up to the Police and Fire Departments, if they want to leave that area open for emergency vehicles. Commissioner Haarr wondered about the section of the narrow streets and asked about building setback lines. Mr. Campbell indicated that it would be 25' , the same as the lots in the other areas. Commissioner Haarr indicated that he would like to have sidewalks in the Chatelain area. Commissioner Mendenhall indicated that he would go along with this statement. Commissioner Keister also stated that there should be sidewalks. Commissioner Harris also agreed. Chairman Genrich stated that the Plan Commission desired sidewalks on both sides of the east-west part of Chatelain. Commissioner Haarr is not in agreement with the street names at the loop portion of Chatelain Drive, and the eastern section of Chatelain travelling north and south. Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he was in agreement with the Plan. He indicated that the Commission really did not want these streets to encourage thru traffic. The piece of property to the east should use as its primary exit, the future extension of Buffalo Grove Road. He wanted to discourage people from going through developments. Commissioner Harris indicated that he did not like the lack of curbs in the hammerhead streets, if they are going to be dedicated. He would like sidewalks in front of the houses. Chairman Genrich indicated that the Commission was essentially in agreement with the plan. Mr. Campbell indicated that they would like to start construction soon. Commissioner Haarr made a motion to recommend the approval of Strathmore Grove Unit I with the provisions that the changes be reflected on the final plat. Commissioner Mendenhall seconded the motion. A vote was taken. All were in favor except for Commissioner Harris, who voted Naye. The changes to be incorporated into the final plan were as follows: 1 ) Add one monument 2) Indicate building set-back lines on the east section 4d1 of the property, 3) Put in an access easement between the hammerheads, 4) Change "U" shaped street name for Chatelain Drive, 5) Construct sidewalks along north and south sides of Chatelain Drive. Page 5 September 10, 1973 Plan Commission The meeting was adjourned at 10:55 P.M. Respectfully submitted, A. Heneg an, Re 'ing Sect'y Approved: Carl Genrich, Chairman ajh