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1973-11-07 - Plan Commission - Minutes WORKSHOP SESSION BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Brozio/Hinze Property November 7, 1973 Chairman, Carl Genrich, called the meeting to order at 10:01 P.M. , November 7, 1973, in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard. Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman Mr. Keister Mr. Gamm Mr. Mendenhall Mr. Haarr Mr. Shields Mr. Harris Mr. Van Engen Also Present: Mr. Seaberg, Village Engineer Brozio/Hinze Property Mr. Jack B. Whisler, Brian Properties, Inc. , and Mr. Brozio were present in this regard. The purpose of this meeting tonight is to explore to see if there are any possible alternatives to what was originally proposed. Mr. Brozio stated that he originally wanted to construct stores. Mr. Whisler stated that there was minimal space for an office building and that the market for office space is not feasible. He feels that this is not the best use of the property. Mr. Haarr stated that he hoped we could get a little green in the front to soften the effect on Dundee Road. Mr. Whisler stated that once Dundee Road is taken care of then they can landscape up to it. Commissioner Haarr stated that at present the paving goes right up to the property line. Commissioner Mendenhall asked what kind of use they thought they might end up with. Mr. Whisler feels that about the only thing they can do is to try to improve the looks of this building. Mr. Whisler stated that he does not know at present time but that they are contacting various businesses. Mr. Whisler stated that they will build within the code. Chairman Genrich stated that possibly a dentist or a doctor would be willing to buy the building from Mr. Brozio. He felt that there must be a more attractive use than 3 stores. Mr. Whisler stated that doctors didn't seem to want to pay such large rent. The workshop session was closed at 11 :10 P.M. Respectfully submitted A. Heneghan, ording Sect'y. PUBLIC HEARING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Heitkotter Property November 7, 1973 Chairman, Carl Genrich, called the meeting to order at 8:20 P.M. November 7, 1973 in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard. He then read the Notice o Public Hearing. Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman Mr. Keister Mr. Gamm Mr. Mendenhall Mr. Haarr Mr. Shields Mr. Harris Mr. Van Engen Also Present: Mr. Seaberg, Village Engineer Heitkotter Mr. William J. Moore, Attorney was present in this regard. Mr. Moore stated the purpose of this petition. They are talking about an area approximately 42 acres. They would like to become a member of the Buffalo Grove community and would like to operate a retail flowershop. Their plans are to live in the house that is already on the premises. They have already submitted a pre- annexation agreement which would limit the type of activity on this property. They are willing to have a division of zoning on the premises so that the portion of the premises which is to be used for operating the retail flowership would be in the commercial zoning and the portion to be used as a residence will remain in the residential zoning. They are willing to use a low intensity light as far as the parking area is concerned, and they have no desire to remove any of the existing trees or forestry on the premises. They are willing to tie in with the sanitary and sewer facilities that are available and they are willing to tie into the water facility when they are within 200 ft. of the property. He stated that the contract purchaser is Mr. Austin Brodnan. Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Moore to read the drafted annexation agreement for the benefit of the public present. Mr. Moore did read the agreement. Commissioner Mendenhall asked Mr. Moore to point out on the map the two parcels for the public present. Mr. Moore pointed them out and stated that the only way to get to this property is from Route 83. Commissioner Mendenhall informed Mr. Moore that the Commission had discussed eliminating the southerly driveway and wanted to see this on an exhibit. Mr. Moore stated that this would be no problem. Just as a matter of record Commissioner Mendenhall stated that the Commission had requested that Brodnan construct a ground level sign. Commissioner Shields asked if there would be any outside sales. Mr. Moore stated that there would be no outside sales to his knowledge. Commissioner Keister asked about the type and location of the screening for the residential section of the property. Mr. Moore stated that he would propose putting in a screening along the southerly boundary. Commissioner Haarr stated that for a point of clarification that this property would fall into the RI zoning, which is much more restrictive. Chairman Genrich stated that R5 zoning would allow higher density than Rl . Commissioner Haarr stated that although the Public Notice had advertised that the Heitkotter Property Plan Commission Page 2 11/7/73 was to come in under R5, the Commission felt that R1 would be better for the Village. Commissioner Haarr stated that there are no determental uses under Bl . Commissioner VanEngen asked if Mr. Moore would submit an exhibit showing the B1 and R1 division. Mr. Moore stated that there would be such an exhibit available. Commissioner Harris asked what the current zoning is in the county. Mr. Moore stated that he presumes it is R-3. He stated that he was not quite sure what R3 would allow. Commissioner Harris requested clarification of paragraph 5 of the pre-annexation agreement. Mr. Moore stated that this is strictly a provision for the Village, as it ties Mr. Brodnan not only to the written document but also to the site plan. Commissioner VanEngen stated that according to the annexation agreement that they have agreed to restrict themselves to a flowershop and in their ability to alter the structures on the land. Commissioner Harris asked how the covenant could be removed from the deed. Mr. Moore stated that it would have to be brought to court. Commissioner Harris asked if the Commission could have the Village Attorney rule on this piece of property. Commissioner Harris brought out the fact that the Hinze property is an almost identical situation,yet they have changed their plans. Chairman Genrich stated that he has talked with the Village Attorney and that it was brought out that they could not change the site plan without coming before the Village Board and the Plan Commission. Commissioner Gamm asked for a clarification that in 5 years they would tap on to Village Water and Sewer. He wanted to know if they would pay for the fee to tap on. Mr. Moore stated that he felt that it would be rather expensive and he could not at this point answer the question. Chairman Genrich asked the public if they had any questions. Mr. Charles Laurie, 830 Shady Grove Lane , stated that his property abuts the Heitkotter Property. He was present tonight to represent the following people whose property also abuts the Heitkotter property. Mr. Mrs. David Beach 840 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Lars W. Schwarz 850 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Dan Millage 880 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Jack Harding 870 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Jack Taylor 860 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Ray Leone 890 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. Curtis J. Youngberg 820 Shady Grove Lane Mr. Mrs. D. M. Bonner 820 Woodhollow Lane `./ Mr. Mrs. Arnold Fick 860 Woodhollow Lane Mr. Mrs. Dennis Gottlieb 840 Woodhollow Lane Mr. Mrs. Larry Nelson 861 Woodhollow Lane Mr. Mrs. William Slattery 850 Woodhollow Lane Mr. Mrs. Jack Stigall 810 Woodhollow Lane Mr. Mrs. Walter Coe 830 Woodhollow Mr. Mrs. John H. -Nelson Wyngate & Woodhollow Plan Commission Page 3 11/7/73 Mr. Laurie stated that they had kicked around the R1 and R5 zoning and he asked for an explanation of what is involved in the R1 and R5. Commissioner Haarr stated that R1 essentially is a house on a 20,000 sq. ft. lot, and R5 is approximately a 7,200 sq. ft. lot. R1 has more restrictive front and side yard requirements. Mr. Laurie asked why it had been advertised as being in R5 zoning. Chairman Genrich stated that the Plan Commission had advertised for the less restrictive zoning and legally the Commission can grant anything under that. This was a provision in case we had to compromise to R3. The notice was to serve the purpose from a range of R1 to R5. Mr. Laurie then asked about the number of days and hours of operation. Mr. Moore stated that he did not know what Mr. Brodnan's hours would be. Mr. Laurie stated that it is not unusual for a retail nursery to have evening hours. Mr. Moore said that it must be straightened out now that this is not going to be a retail nursery, but a flowershop. Chairman Genrich stated that Mr. Brodnan had been in, previously and that it would be a flowershop and not a nursery. Mr. Laurie wanted to be put on record as being informed of the findings that he does not think that anyone present would object to the annexation of this piece of property to Buffalo Grove, or the R1 zoning, but he does not agree 1 to a divided zoning situation. He feels that R1 could be used for the whole piece of property with a variation. Chairman Genrich stated that the Plan Commission would probably make their decision next week and there will be a hearing made by the Village Board. Commissioner Haarr stated that the only business that could be run in a residential district is a home occupation. No way can this be considered as such. Mr. Beech, 840 Shady Grove Lane made the following comments: 1 ) he was told there is a barbershop that has a non-conforming use. Commissioner Gamm stated that this property is unincorporated. 2) he stated that they would need water (they being Heitkotter) and if Heitkotter does not pay the tap on fee immediately they will never pay for it later. 3) he under- stands that the property was for sale at better than $120,000 and he doubts that the sole purpose of that land could be to sell flowers. Mrs.Leone, 890 Shady Grove Lane asked how long it would be before they (Heitkotter) would start putting up houses on the property. Chairman Genrich stated that they would be bound by the annexation agreement to come back to the Plan Commission and the Village Board for another Public Hearing before they could do anything like that. Commissioner Mendenhall stated that the Heitkotter use for the land looked like an excellent opportunity for the Village to get something other than a high density apartment complex or shopping center. Mr. Slattery, 850 Woodhollow Lane asked if the parking lot be moved to the front of the barn to keep it away from the residential area. He al-so stated Plan Commission Page 4 11/7/73 that he assumes that Mr. Brodnan would need a B1 zoning before he could obtain the necessary financing. He wondered if the financing bank took the property over could they in turn sell for a use other than this one. He stated that we should consider this before jumping at a Bl zoning. The public hearing was closed at 10:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, A. Heneghan Rec ding Sect'y. Approved: Carl Genrich, Chairman ah