1973-12-05 - Plan Commission - Minutes PUBLIC HEARING CORRECTED & REVISED
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
PHOENIX CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
December 5, 1973
Chairman, Carl Genrich, called the Public Hearing to order at 8:15 P.M. ,
December 5, 1973, at the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove,
Illinois.
Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman
Mr. Gamm
Mr. Haarr
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Shields
Commissioners Absent: Mr. VanEngen
Also Present: Mr. Armstrong, President
Mr. Balling, Administrative Assistant
Mrs.Rech, Village Trustee
PHOENIX
Present in this regard were: Mr. Earl Broms
Mr. Jack Siegal , Attorney
Mr. Joseph Koenen,Engineer - Ciorba,Spies,
Gustafson & Co.
Mr. Richard Donatoni , Architect - Del Bianco,
Schwartz, Donatoni , of Chicago
Mr. Bernie Wolf - Phoenix Construction Co.
All of the above present in the behalf of this development were sworn in.
Mr. Siegel gave a presentation, stating that this matter was before the Commission
last October, and that originally a recommendation for approval had been sent
to the Village Board. The developers had then been referred back to the Plan
Commission for reconsideration after the appropriate modifications were made.
He stated that the development being considered is located on 4 parcels of
vacant land in the village. Project A consists of 873 townhouse, condominium,
and apartment units located on 3 parcels of land adjacent to the Buffalo Grove
Golf Club identified as parcels A, B, and C. Project B is located north of
Illinois Rt. 83, west of Busch Road and consists of 240 townhouse units. Mr.Siegel
stated that Villa Verde was developed by Mr. Wolf and stated that this fact should
be of some solace to the Village Board. The property has been in the village for
some time. It goes back to the original Glen Grove annexation agreement. In the
annexation agreement it was provided that the properties around the Glen Grove
development were to be developed with 1100 multiple dwelling units. The original
annexation agreement provided for rezoning of 1100 apartment units, although no
standing ordinance was ever adopted. They have submitted to the Village a copy
of the trust agreement revealing the owners of the property. As part of the
proposal which they are presenting this evening, and after some negotiation with
the Village Board and the Plan Commission the developers have agreed to make
certain contributions to the community. They are:
1 ) A 4.9 acre parcel , which was originally included in the Glen
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Grove agreement would be donated to the Village for Village use.
That parcel of land is located south of Lake-Cook Road, East of
Raupp Boulevard.
2) They have agreed to donate $150 per unit for the 33 acres of
townhouse development.
3) They have agreed to donate $50 per unit for the 73 acres around
the golf course.
A. THE GOLF COURSE PROJECT
The project will be developed to the South, East and North of the golf course.
They are proposing multifamily development of different types. The new plan
also proposes extensive landscaping. Storm water retention for these areas
will be constructed upon the golf course. Mr. Siegel stated that the overall
density is a realistic concern for all parcels. The higher density is located
towards the golf course. Alignment of the property along Lake-Cook Road has
been changed. This proposal is one which is not only economically feasible
for the developer but which will provide a revenue benefit for Buffalo Grove.
Copies of the Tax Imput Study were then presented to the Commission members.
The golf course property is part of a 192 acre tract originally called Glen
Grove. The golf course occupies 128 acres, Parcel A is 12 acres, Parcel B
is 36 acres, and Parcel C is 16 acres.
Parcel A, located along Checker Road would have 15 two-story townhouse units
and 124 two-story garden condominiums. Parcel B, located along Lake-Cook
Road , will have 38townhouses, 178garden condominiums and 266three and four-
story apartment units. Parcel C. is bordered by Checker Road on the north and
Lake-Cook Road on the south and will have 252 apartment units. They have
decreased radically the density in Parcel C. Its size is now 252 units (instead
of the 324 units orginally approved) with 16.1 units per acre. They have lowered
these from three or four-story units to two or three-story units. He also
stated that the overall parking ratio will be 2 to 1 . They are proposing two
recreational centers, which will include a pool , meeting rooms and locker rooms.
He gave the bedroom breakdown. (See Tax Imput Study.) He stated that the
figures used to determine the number of school children were based on the
Illinois School Consultant Services.
Mr. Koenen stated that Project A is divided into Lake County at the north
and Cook County at the South. The Lake County portion of the project meets
with the Lake County Public Works Department's extended intercepting sewer,
at the site of the old treatment plant. Various other land owners in the
area have undertaken to design a sanitary sewer proposing sanitation and
utility facilities at Checker Road to the Lake County Department of Public
Work's intercepter. In Parcel C at the east end they have a sewer going along
Checker Road and there is a possibility that it might connect with the sewer
that runs along the western boundary of the golf course.
Mr. Koenen stated that the water supply system for Project A will tie into 10"
and 12" water main system. There is also an existing 12" water main on the
western boundary of the golf course. The water mains will loop around the
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area. They are selling townhouses ranging from $39,000 to $50,000. As
far as financing is concerned, he normally goes with Home Federal Say. & Loan
and he has been assured that they will finance them in this area. Mr. Wolf
also stated that they have been waiting two years for this project and because
of three different building seasons, the costs have increased already -about
20-30%. He stated that he could not answer Mr. Gamm's question exactly.
Commissioner Harris expressed his concern about whether or not the project
will comply with the new PUD Ordinance. He does not feel that the golf
course parcels can be grouped into one PUD, since they are not connected.
Mr. Siegel stated that he feels it would be unnecessary to request another
type of zoning classification since this property is in common ownership.
Commissioner Harris asked if they had any figures showing that the revenue
received would be more than the tax expended by the school district.
Mr. Siegel stated that this information was not available this evening but
that it would be provided to the commission as soon as possible.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he felt one of the major objections was
shutting off vistas of the golf course. He requested that the developer
consider relocating townhouses along Checker Drive to provide vistas of the
golf course. He then asked that the owners of the trust be publically an-
nounced. Mr. Siegel stated that they are Messrs. Friedman, Ecker, Haytow
and Dr. Gecht. Commissioner Mendenhall also stated that if they would move
one of the large buildings further east in Parcel B, this would allow a vista
of the golf course when driving along Weidner Road. Commissioner Mendenhall
also seconded Commissioner Harris' comments relative to whether or not this
could be considered one PUD.
Commissioner Keister asked for an explanation of the underground drainage
on Project B. Mr. Koenen stated that they have begun to design the drain-
age for the area. The design will include a gravel underdrain, topped with
topsoil and then grass. Commissioner Keister then asked if the drainage
to the golf course would be underground. Mr.- Koenen replied--that through
the development all the drainage would be underground.
Mr. Hitzman - School District 96 wanted to know who the monetary donations
would be made to. Mr. Siegel replied that they would be made to the
Village. Mr. Hitzman then stated that in a meeting of approximately one
year ago, Mr. Siegel had informed him that these donations would specifically
be made to the school district. Mr. Siegel replied that if it was the desire
of the Village that these donations be made to the school district that they
would certainly comply.
Mr. Kittle, Buffalo Grove Park District, asked if a study had been made as to
the impact of the storm water detention to the golf course. Mr. Koenen
stated that the lakes in the golf course are an intergal part of the storm
water system and that they are also a part of the playability of the course.
Mr. Kittle then asked if there were provisions made for small tot lots.
Mr. Donatoni stated that there will be tot lots in the development. Chairman
Genrich then asked Mr. Siegel to meet with Mr. Corssland, Director - Village
Park District. Mr. Siegel replied that he would.
Father Duffy, St. Mary's Parish, asked about Parcel C, Project A, wondering
if there would be any four story buildings and if it was in the flood plain.
Mr. Donatoni informed Father that they were not proposing to build any four
story buildings and that all of the parcels are out of the flood plain.
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Mr. Bob Bogart, 930 Plum Grove Court asked about the four story building in
Parcel B. Mr. Donatoni stated that it would be approximately 36' in heigth
depending on availability of material . Mr. Bogart also felt that there
should be some type of a baseball diamond. Mr. Donatoni stated that under a
PUD development it is almost impossible for them to put in a football or
baseball field.
Mr. Swen Madson, 321 Springside Lane then spoke to the Commission. He
stated that we ghould not change the zoning until it is proven beyond any
benefit of the doubt that this development would benefit the village, and
he feels that at present this has not been proven. He stated that this
development would do away with the suburban type of life that the people of
Buffalo Grove moved here to have. He then informed the Commission that he
had with him the General Electric Map Cast Economic Forecast, 3rd Quarter'73,
which prognosis stated that at present there are today numerous signs of
overbuilding. Mr. Madsen stated that he enjoys the vista of the golf course
and feels that they should comply with the ordinance of the Village, as far
as the density is concerned. He then asked about the legal aspects of the
Forest Preserve interest in the golf course. Mr. Armstrong replied that
the MSD has approved the plan and that an application has been made for federal
monies. Mr. Madsen stated that as an interested citizen he recommends that
very stringent measures be taken to see this project meets the existing zoning.
Mr. Guttman, 208 Stonegate stated that he would like to know how the contri-
butions as proposed by the developer compare to the contributions as set
forth in the Village resolutions. Mr. Siegel stated that they are donating
4.9 acres to the Village. Mr. Siegel submitted that the market value of that
property is approximately $50,000 more than the amount owed offered in lieu of a
committment by the owner to pay for, a portion of Checker Rd.improvements. Mr.Guttman �
then told Mr. Donatoni that when speaking of the golf course for their
considered in common ownership, but when referringto the
purposes it is
golf course as open space the golf course is not considered as part of the
project. Mr. Siegel replied that they are offeringjust
payment in that the
Village can acquire the golf course at less than its market value. He stated
that these are the facts as they exist. He also stated that he is not
authorized to extend on behalf of the golf course owners with respect to a
permanent agreement, that this property will be held for permatuity as a
golf course.
Mr. Cosmo, 945 Checker Drive addressed the developers. He does not believe
873 units will only generate 198• children. There is going to be a need for
another school .
Mr. Ron Column, 927 Timberhill Road reminded the Commission that we are
here tonight to discuss the question of rezoning. He stated that the zoning
ordinances are the only method that the people of Buffalo Grove have of
insuring the future of their village. He feels that it is the Plan Commission's
responsibility to see that these zoning requirements are met. He also asked
if Mr. Friedman had been approached by any other developer as to a plan which
would generate revenue.
Mr. Genrich asked Mr. Wolf to give a statement in regard to the current
market. Mr. Wolf stated that if they built single family dwellings, that it
would be nonprofitable , unless they were in the $90,000 range.
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Mr. Scott Butler, 985 Checker Road then addressed the Commission. He stated
that he would like to see the drive east on Checker Road as it exists.
Mr. Koenen replied that they have been before the Plan Commission for about two
years with these exhibits. At that time the triangle where Mr. Butler proposes
a drive, was a part of the golf couse property. He stated that this is just
a general plan and that the minor details would have to be worked out later.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that we will have to do a lot more work with
this plan before it is recommended to the Board for approval .
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Wolf about their time schedule and which projects
would come first. At this point, Mr. Wolf stated that they would probably
start with Project A, Parcel A. The second phase of the development would
be Parcel B; the final phase would be parcel C.
Chairman Genrich stated that sometimes we all get the feeling that the amount
of density of a; project is the end all and if a developer can get 33 units per
acre he will make a lot of money. How does the density relate to the profits?
Mr. Wolf stated that the 873 units involved are from the purchase contract
with the owners and they have based their economics on that figure. He gave
examples of buildings in another development and in summary, the developer
does not always meet the density allowed him. If they can build a lesser
amount of units they may still generate a substantial profit.
At this time Chairman Genrich stressed 4 points that he wanted the developers
to pay particular attention to. They are:
1 ) They would like the developer develop some vistas
and some openings within the development.
2) They should review with the Park District their
plan before Wednesday night.
3) The developer should come up with better figures with
regard to the school economics.
4) The developer should review the PUD ordinance.
Mr. Joe Mason, 712 St. Mark Parkway addressed the Commission. He feels that
the Plan Commission should verify if there is to be only one PUD ordinance
for the project. Commissioner Haarr replied that in the PUD ordinance there
are 4 categories listed. Mr. Haarr stated that we would probably have to
present this matter to the Village Attorney.
The public hearing was adjourned at 11 :00 P.M.
Respectfully submi d,
A. Heneghan, R c ding Sect'y.
Approved:
Carl Genrich, Chairman
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PUBLIC HEARING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
PHOENIX CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
December 5, 1973
Chairman, Carl Genrich, called the Public Hearing to order at 8:15 P.M. ,
December 5, 1973, at the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo
Grove, Illinois.
Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman W. Gamm
Mr. Haarr
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Shields
Commissioners Absent: Mr. Van Engen
Also Present: Mr. Balling, Administrative Assistant
Mr. Armstrong, President
Mrs. Rech, Village Trustee
PEHONIX
Present in this regard were:Mr. Earl Brums
Mr. Jack Siegal , Attorney
Mr. Joseph Koenen, Engineer - Ciorba, Spies,
Gustafson & Co.
Mr. Richard Donatoni , Architect - Del Bianco,
Schwartz, Donatoni , of Chicago
Mr. Bernie Wolf - Phoenix Construction Co.
All of the above present in the behalf of this development were sworn in.
Mr. Siegel gave a presentation, stating that this matter was before the
Commission last October, and that originally a recommendation for approval
had been sent to the Village Board. The developers had then been referred
back to the Plan Commission for reconsideration after the appropriate
modifications were made.
He stated that the development being considered is at Rt. 83 and Bush Road
which is a townhouse development consisting of Parcels A, B & C which are
in common ownership and to be developed by Phoenix having 240 townhouse
units. Mr. Siegel stated that Villa Verde was developed by Mr. Brums
and stated that this fact should be of some solace to the Village Board.
The property has been in the village for some time. It goes back to the
original Glen Grove annexation agreement. It the annexation agreement it
was provided that the properties around the Glen Grove development were
to be developed with 1100 multiple dwelling units. The original annexation
agreement provided for rezoning of 1100 apartment units, although no
standing ordinance was ever adopted. They have submitted a cony of the
trust agreement advising the owners of the property. As part of the proposal
which they are presenting this evening, and after some negotiation with the
Village Board and the Plan Commission the developers have agreed to make
certain contributions to the community. They are:
1) A 4.9 acre parcel , which was originally included in the Glen
Grove acres would be donated to the Village for Village use.
That parcel of land has an approximate value of $50,000.
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2) They have agreed to donate $150 per unit for the 33 acres
of townhouse development.
3) They have agreed to donate $50 per unit for the 73 units
around the golfcourse.
There will be permanent open space and includes within it the retention
facilities which are at the same time a part of the configuration of the
golfcourse and serve as retention facilities for the development. The
new plan also provides a recreation area suitable for use by the community
as a whole. They are proposing condominium type development at this time.
The new plan also proposes excessive landscaping. Mr. Siegel stated that
the overall density is a realistic one. This proposal is one wich is not
only economically feasible for the developer but which is for the benefit
of Buffalo Grove. Copies of the Tax Imput Study were then presented to
the Commission members.
Mr. Donatoni then gave a narrative showing the public and the Plan Commission
the site plan. He stated that when the areas around the property are
built up they will be tied in with these parcels. He stated that the Tax
Imput Study had been composed using very conservative figures. (Copy of
which is attached.) There is a tremendous green belt in the center of the
property. The higher density is towards the green area. Since the last
presentation to the Board the green belt has not changed at all . He stated
that there are 124 two-story townhomes and 15 townhouses. Alignment of the
property along Lake Cook Road has been changed. They have decreased radically
the density in Parcel "C". There are now 250 units or 16 units per acre.
They have lowered these from 3 or 4 story units to 2 or 3 story units.
He also stated that the overall parking ratio will be 2 to 1 . They are
proposing three recreational centers, which will include a pool , meeting
rooms and locker rooms. He gave the bedroom breakdown. (See Tax Imput
Study.) He stated that the figures used to determine the number of school
children were based on the Illinois School Consultant Services.
Mr. Koenen then gave a presentation with respect to the engineering. He
showed the Commission an exhibit which showed the property's sanitary system.
The are proposing to connect to the city sewer and extend 10" and 8" sewers
throught the development. They will connect to the Levitt Development at
the northwest corner of the property and provide further expansion of the
system to the northeast and southwest. There will be an 8" water main.
There is a large green area in the center of the project which will be
depressed and which will have a controlled outlet. Excess water falling
into the project will fall into the depressed green area.
Mr. Koenen stated that the project is divided into Lake County at the north
and Cook County at the south. The Lake County portion of the project at
the site of the old sewage treatment plant meets with the Lake County
Public Works Department's extended intercepting sewer.Various other land
owners in the area have undertaken to design a sanitary sewer proposing
sanitation and utility facilities at Checker Road to the Lake County
Department of Public Works' intercepter. In Parcel "C" at the east end
they have a sewer going along Checker Road and there is a possibility that
it might connect with the sewer that runs along the western boundary of
the golfcourse.
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Mr. Koenen stated that the water supply system will tie into 10" and
12" water main system. There is also an existing 12" water main on the
western boundary of the golfcourse. The water mains will loop around
the development and provide adequate fire protection. There are four
proposed lakes on the golfcourse. Mr. Koenen stated that they are required
by ordinance to provide storm water detention. The total volume in these
four lakes will be adequate to satisfy the stOrm water detention ordinance
of the village. He also stated that parcels A, B and C are all outside
the existing flood plain of Buffalo Creek.
Mr. Siegel then presented the Commission with brochures of Mr. Wolf's
development in the Flossmor-Hazelcrest area. He then went on to state
that the proposed project is anticipated to extend over a 5-7 year period.
The kinds of homes they have designed for this development have been a
result of an extensive look at the Chicago area and the northwest suburban
area and the price level indicated is the price level which will sell in
this market. Unfortunately, it is probable that these prices will be
more when the final product is on the line. He indicated that the drainage
facilities are part of the parcel and that the three parcels are in common
ownership with the golfcourse.
Commissioner Haarr informed Mr. Siegel that since the last hearing there
was an ordinance (73.39) passed and he asked what density ranges they
are requesting for the two parcels and if they can live with the stipula-
tions drawn out by the ordinance. A discussion was held and it was felt
that this could be worked out to meet the ordinance. Commissioner Haarr
then asked if the parking was truly underground - more than half of the
height of the parking area underground. Mr. Siegel replied that it was.
Commissioner Gamm wanted to reaffirm that Phoenix was not proposing any
four bedroom units. Mr. Siegel stated that four bedroom units were not
being proposed. Commissioner Gamm also asked what made the developer
feel that this type of development is feasible at this time. Mr. Wolf
stated that they are duplicating this project in the southwest side of
the county. They are selling townhouses ranging from $39,000 to $50,000.
As far as financing is concerned, he normally goes with Home Savings and
Loan and he has been assured that they will finance them in this area.
Mr. Wolf also stated that they have been waiting two years for this
project and because of 3 different building seasons, the costs have
increased already about 20-30%. He stated that he could not answer
Mr. Gamm's question exactly.
Commissioner Harris expressed his concern about whether or not the
project will comply with the new PUD Ordinance. He does not feel that the
golfcourse parcels can be grouped into one PUD, since they are not connected.
Mr. Siegel stated that he feels it would be unnecessary to rezone this
property since they are in common ownership.
Commissioner Harris asked if they had any figures showing that the revenue
imput would be more than the tax expended by the school district. Mr. Siegel
stated that this information was not available this evening but that it
would be provided to the commission as soon as possible.
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Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he felt that the development would
be taking something away from the village and requested that they put in
a vista of the golfcourse off of Checker Drive. He then asked who the
owners of the trust are. Mr. Siegel stated that they are Messrs. Friedman,
Eckert, Haytow and Dr. Gecht. Commissioner Mendenhall also stated that
if they would move one of the buildings further east, when driving along
Weidner Road, the golfcourse would be visible.
Commissioner Keister asked for an explanation of the underground drainage
on Project B. Mr. Koenen stated that in the green area they have begun
to design the depressed green area. They have put in a gravel underdrain,
topped it with topsoil and then grass. Commissioner Keister then asked
if the drainage to the golfcourse would be underground. Mr. Koenen replied
that through the development all the drainage would be underground.
Mr. Hissman - School District wanted to know who the monetary donations
would be made to. Mr. Siegel replied that they would be made to the
Village. Mr. Hissman then stated that in a meeting of approximately one
year ago, Mr. Siegel had informed him that these donations would specifically
be made to the school district. Mr. Siegel replied that if it was the desire
of the village that these donations be made to the school district that they
would certainly comply.
Mr. Kittle asked if a study had been made as to the impact of the water
to the golfcourse. Mr. Koenen stated that the lakes in the golfcourse
are an intergal part of the storm water system and that they are also a
part of the playability of the course. Mr. Kittle then asked if there were
provisions made for small tot lots. Mr. Donatoni stated that there will
be tot lots in the development. Chairman Genrich then asked Mr. Siegel to
meet with Mr. Crossland, Director - Village Park District. Mr. Siegel
replied that he would.
Father Duffy, St. Mary's Parish, asked about Project C, wondering if there
would be any 4 story buildings and if it was in the flood plain. Mr. Donatoni
informed Father that they were not proposing to build any four story buildings
and that all of the parcels are out of the flood plain.
Mr. Bob Bogart, 930 Plum Grove Court asked about the 4 story building in
Parcel C. Mr. Donatoni stated that it would be approximately 36' in heigth
depending on availability of material . Mr. Bogart also felt that there
should be some type of a baseball diamond. Mr. Donatoni stated that under
a PUD development it is almost impossible for them to put in a football or
baseball field.
Mr. Swen Madson, 321 Springside Lane then spoke to the Commission. He stated
that we should not change the zoning until it is proven beyond any benefit
of the doubt that this development would benefit the village, and he feels
that at present this has not been proven. He stated that this development
would do 'way with the suburban type of life that the people of Buffalo
Grove moved here to have. He then informed the Commission that he had with
him the General Electric Map Cast Economic Forecast, 3rd Quarter'73, which
prognosis stated that at present there today numerous signs of overbuilding.
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Mr. Madsen stated that he enjoys the vista of the golfcourse and feels
that they should comply with the ordinance of the village, as far as
the density is concerned. He then asked about the legal aspects of
the Forest Preserve interest in the golfcourse. Mr. Armstrong replied
that the MST has approved the plan and that an application has been
made for federal monies. Mr. Madsen stated that as an interested citizen
he recommends that very stringent measures be taken to see this project
meets the existing zoning.
Mr. Gutman, 208 Stonegate stated that he would like to how the contributions
as proposed by the developer compare to the contributions as set forth
in the village resolutions. Mr. Siegel stated that they are donating 4.9
acres to the village. The market value of that property is approximately
$50,000 in excess of the committment on Checker Road. Mr. Gutman then
told Mr. Donatoni that when speaking of the golf course for their purposes
it is considered in common ownership, but when referring to the golfcourse
as open space the golfcourse is not considered as part of the project.
Mr. Siegel replied that they are paying so that the village can acquire the
golfcourse at less than its market value. He states that these are the
facts as they exist. He also stated that he is not authorized to extend
on behalf of the golfcourse owners with respect to a permanent agreement
that this property will be held for permatuity as a golfcourse.
Mr. Cosmos, 945 Checerk Drive addressed the developers. He does not believe
873 units will only generate 198 children. There is going to be a need
for another school .
Mr. Ron Column, 927 Timberhill Road reminded the Commission that we are
here tonight to discuss the question of rezoning. He stated that the
zoning ordinances are the only method that the people of Buffalo Grove
have of insuring the future of their village. He feels that it is the
Plan Commission's responsibility to see that these zoning requirements are
met. He also asked if Mr. Friedman had been approached by any other
developer as to a plan which would generate revenue.
Mr. Genrich asked Mr. Wolf to give a statement in regard to the current
market. Mr. Wolf stated that if they built single family dwellings that
it would be nonprofitable.
Mr. Scott Butler, 985 Checker Road then addressed the Commission. He
stated that he would like to see a driveway east on Checker Road.
Mr. Koenen replied that they have been before the Plan Commission for
about two years with these exhibits. At a previous time the triangle
where Mr. Butler proposes a driveway, was a part of the golfcourse
property. He stated that this is just a general plan and that the
minor details would have to be worked out latter.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that we will have to do a lot more work
with this plan before it is recommended to the Board for approval .
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Wolf about their time schedule and which
projects would come first.
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At this point, Mr. Wolf stated that they would probably start with
Parcel A. The second phase of the development would be Parcel B.
The final phase would be Parcel C.
Chairman Genrich statd that sometimes we all get the feeling that the amount
of density of a project is the end all and if a developer can get 33 units
ber acre he will make a lot of money. How does the density relate to
profits. Mr. Wolf stated that the 873 units involved are from the purchase
contract with the owners and they have based their economics on that
figure. He gave examples of buildings in another development and in
summary, the developer does not always meet the density allowed him. If
they can build a lesser amount of units and still generate a substantial
profit, they will .
At this time Chairman Genrich stressed 4 points that he wanted the developers
to pay particular attention to. They are:
1 ) They would like to the developer to develop some vistas
and some openings within the development.
2) They should review with the Park District their plan before
Wednesday night.
3) The developer should come up with better figures with
regard the school economics.
4) They should review the PUD ordinance
Mr. Joe Mason, 712 St. Mary Parkway addressed the commission. He feels
that the Plan Commission should verify if there is to be only one PUD
ordinance for the project. Commissioner Haarr replied that in the PUD
ordinance there are 4 categories listed. Mr. Haarr stated that we would
probably have to present this matter to the village attorney.
The public Hearing was adjourned at 11 :00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted
A. Heneg an, Re ing Sect'y.
Approved:
Carl Genrich, Chairman
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WORKSHOP SESSION
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
Phoenix Constr. Co.
December 5, 1973
Chariman, Carl Genrich, called the Workshop Session to order at 11 :05 P.M. ,
December 5, 1973, at the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo
Grove, Illinois.
Commissioners Present: Mr. Genrich, Chairman
Mr. Gamm
Mr. Haarr
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Sheilds
Commissioner Absent: Mr. VanEngen
Also present: Mr. Bill Balling
Chairman Genrich informed the Commission that we would be meeting with the
people of the Ville Verde project.
Commissioner Gamm stated that he will represent the Commission at the Board
of Zoning Appeals' meeting tomorrow night, to discuss the height variation
for the Cambridge development.
Commissioner Mendenhall will meet with the high school district #214 to
represent the Commission.
Chairman Genrich passed out zoning for Lake County and Cook County.
The workshop session adjourned at 11 :50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted
A. Henegh , REcording Sect'y.
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