1976-06-16 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
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Chairman Carl Genrich called the meeting to order at 8:10 p.m. in the
Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard.
Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Harris (left at 10:15 p.m.)
Mr. Keister
Mr. Goldspiel
Mr. Jacobs
Mr. Kandel (left at 9:15 p.m. )
Mr. Kuenz
Commissioners Absent : Mr. Shields
Also Present: Mr. Richard Kaufman, Surety
Mr. Richard Piggott, Surety
Mr. Howard Alterman, Attorney, Grand Spaulding
Mr. Leonard Kraus, Owner, Grand Spaulding
Mr. Ronald Schwartz, Architect, Grand Spaulding
Mr. Robert Fogarty, Centex
Mr. Harry Leonhardt, Centex
Mr. J. S. Bilheimer, Centex
Mr. Joe Luciani, Centex
Mr. Richard Burton, Michael L. Ives & Assoc.
Mr. Michael Ives, Michael L. Ives & Assoc.
Mr. Stan Crosland, Park District
Mr. Robert Bogart, Trustee
Mr. John Marienthal, Trustee
Mr. Arnie Seaberg, Village Engineer
- Mr. William Whited, Administrative Assistant
Chairman Genrich stated he would call the Regular Meeting to order to
formally approve Surety's Final Plat. After the approval the Public
Hearing for Grand Spaulding would be held.
Surety Homes
Commissioner Keister made a motion to recommend to the Village Board the
approval of the Final Plat for Surety Homes/Camelot Subdivision Phase II .
upon receipt of a letter from the Postmaster regarding approval of three
of five streets in the subdivision. Commissioner Mendenhall seconded
the motion and the following vote was taken:
Commissioner Mendenhall yes Commissioner Goldspiel yes
Commissioner Harris abstain Commissioner Jacobs abstain
Commissioner Keister yes Commissioner Kuenz abstain
Chairman Genrich yes
Motion carried.
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Meeting adjourned for Public Hearing on Grand Spaulding and reconvened at
9:50 p.m.
Grand Spaulding
Commissioner Harris made a motion to recommend to the Village Board the
approval of the petition for rezoning submitted by Grand Spaulding. The
vote was as follows:
Commissioner Mendenhall no Commissioner Goldspiel no
Commissioner Harris no Commissioner Jacobs no
Commissioner Keister no Commissioner Kuenz no
Motion did not carry.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he is not opposed to Grand Spaulding
expanding. If one more commercial development is put on Dundee Road it
will look like Wheeling. The benefits are not so great that it would
justify losing the trust of the residents.
Commissioner Goldspiel stated that more revenue could be generated if the
entire parcel could be used. If this plan were approved, the vast majority
of the land would not be put to immediate use.
Commissioners Goldspiel and Harris will represent the Plan Commission at
the Village Board meeting on this project.
The meeting adjourned for the Public Hearing on Centex/Ridgewood and
reconvened at 11:00 p.m.
Centex/Ridgewood
Commissioner Mendenhall made a motion that the Plan Commission recommend
approval of the Preliminary Plan, Exhibit 103-21, as presented with the
following exhibits:
1. 103-22 Preliminary Utility Plan
2. 103-23 Ridgewood Retention Pond Plan
3. 103-24 Lake County Soil and Water Conservation Report
4. 103-25 Revenue Study for Ridgewood
5. 103-26 Staff Plan Review
6. 103-27 Comparative Plan Study for Winston Square vs. Ridgewood
7. 103-28 Natural Resource Inventory for Ridgewood
8. 103-29 School Tax Revenues vs, Cost of Education Report
for Ridgewood
9. 103-30 School Tax Revenues vs. Cost of Education Report
for Winston Square
10. 103-31 Revenue Study for Winston Square
11. 103-32 village of Buffalo Grove Project Information Form
12. 103-33 Plan Data with attached Preliminary Plan
Commissioner Keister seconded the motion. The following vote was taken:
Commissioner Mendenhall yes Commissioner Jacobs yes
Commissioner Keister yes Commissioner Kuenz abstained
Commissioner Goldpiel yes
Motion carried.
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Commissioners Mendenhall and Keister will represent the Plan Commission
at the Village Board meeting on this development.
Chairman's Report
Chairman Genrich stated he had received a copy of a memo from Mr. Heinrich
regarding excessive slopes that have developed in Strathmore Grove. He
asked Commissioner Keister to look into this and stated a solution might
be to require a final grading plan as part of our subdivision ordinance.
Chairman Genrich stated that there has to be more effective cooperation
to get written reports from the Staff, Park District and even the developer
to the Plan Commission in advance of the meetings.
Chairman Genrich stated that there has been confusion in the densities
of the PUD ordinance. A possible solution to avoid confusion may be
to states Special Use PUD and identify PUD-4 or PUD-7, etc. Chairman
Genrich asked if the Plan Commission wants to have a category that says
PUD Special Uss - 12-16 as part of the ordinance or just recommend against
it.
Regarding the Village Center, Chairman Genrich asked how the Plan Commission
felt regarding the possibility of getting bonds for the land and also if
they thought it could be controlled on a developer-by-developer basis.
Commissioner Jacobs stated that he didn't think bonds would work. There
has to be a driving force to develop it or it won't be done. However, he
does not think the Village would spend the money to do it. Commissioner
Keister stated that he thinks timing has a lot to do with whether a
referendum would pass. The only way it would be developed is if the
Village takes an active role in it. Commissioner Goldspiel stated that
he thinks it is a matter of priorities. The money should go into putting
in utilities, etc. , and putting in an industrial center.
Approval of Minutes
Commissioner Mendenhall made a motion to approve the minutes of the Public
Hearing of June 2 on the Price Veterinary Clinic subject to the following
changes and corrections: In paragraph three, delete the third sentence
and insert, "Commissioner Mendenhall consulted with members of the
Commission and it was determined the Public Hearing would have to be
re-scheduled (probably not before July 7) and likewise the re-advertising,
or Dr. Price would have to go with the more restrictive B-1 Special Use
zoning."; At the end of paragraph three insert the following sentence,
"After Dr. Price had agreed to the hearing as published, Commissioner
Mendenhall explained the ramifications of accepting more restrictive
zoning." On page two, paragraph 6, connect the last two sentences with
the following phrase,"and with the addition of insulation". Commissioner
Keister seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
Commissioner Mendenhall made a motion to approve the minutes of the
Regular Meeting of June 2 subject to the following changes and
corrections: On page 4, the last paragraph, change the last sentence
to read as follows: "After further discussion it was decided that
1. This was a legal problem and should be looked into by Mr. Raysa,
and 2. Bill Whited is to review parking requirements and determine if
the proposed deleted area must be compensated for someplace else within
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the Miller Development."; on page six, paragraph four, add "by a fence"
at the end of the last sentence. Commissioner Keister seconded the
motion and it carried unanimously.
Commissioner Mendenhall made a motion to approve the minutes of the
Public Hearing on the Zoning Board of Appeals Changes of June 2 subject
to changes and corrections. There were no changes or corrections.
Commissioner Keister seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
Adjournment
Commissioner Keister made a motion to adjourn, Commissioner Jacobs
seconded the motion and the meeting adjourned at 11:25 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
L' da Isonhart
Recording Secretary
APPROVED:
Carl Genrich, Chairman
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PUBLIC HEARING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
Grand Spaulding
June 16, 1976
Chairman Genrich called the meeting to order at 8:12 p.m. in
the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard.
Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Harris
Mr. Keister
Mr. Goldspiel
Mr. Jacobs
Mr. Kandel (left meeting at 9:15 p.m.)
Mr. Kuenz
Commissioners Absent: Mr. Shields
Also Present: Mr. Howard Alterman, Attorney
Mr. Leonard Kraus, Grand Spaulding
Mr. Ronald Schwartz, Architect
Mr. Robert I. Ford, Mill Creek Apartments
Mr. Stan Crosland, Park District
Mr. Robert Bogart, Trustee
Mr. John Marienthal, Trustee
Mr. Arnie Seaberg, Village Engineer
Mr. William Whited, Administrative Assistant
Chairman Genrich read the Notice of Public Hearing published in
the Buffalo Grove Herald on Wednesday, June 2, 1976. He asked
those present in this regard to introduce themselves and be sworn
in. Mr. Howard Alterman, attorney for Grand Spaulding, introduced
Mr. Leonard Kraus, owner of Grand Spaulding, and Mr. Ronald Schwartz,
architect. Mr. Kraus and Mr. Schwartz were sworn in.
Mr. Alterman showed the present property owned by Grand Spaulding
on the Site Plan, marked Exhibit 474-7 in the Plan Commission files.
He then showed the property which was just acquired last week from
Miller Builders. It consists of 15.9 acres to the east and south
of the property which they have owned for approximately 1 year.
Mr. Alterman stated that Grand Spaulding is the number one source of
tax revenue in the Village. They are the number two single source
of property tax revenue in the Village of Buffalo Grove.
Mr. Alterman stated that they are acquiring the land for the purpose
of future expansion. There are no plans at present to construct any
building whatsoever. Their only immediate plans are to extend the
paved parking lot on one acre contiguous to Dundee Road. The
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building addition, detention basin and additional building are only
future thoughts.
Mr. Alterman stated that in order to fulfill the public commitment to
the Village they have decided to dedicate a portion of the property to
the Village for use as a public park. No other use would be considered.
The Village owns 3- acre in the northeast corner of the property for use
as a future well site. He has been advised that the Village would
perhaps donate the land for the construction of the park. Due to a
meeting they held with the Park Board, Village Engineer, Mr. Larson
and Mr. Whited at the request of the Plan Commission, the amount of
property they are requesting rezoning for has been decreased. The
Park District felt they needed a larger area to accommodate parking.
Mr. Kraus agreed to extend the dedication an additional 29' . There would
be parking for 20 cars. The Park District also asked for an access to
the park from the south end. They feel the majority of the people using
the park would be from Mill Creek.
Mr. Alterman introduced Mr. Robert Ford. Mr. Ford will be the owner of
Mill Creek Apartments. They have only to complete the closing. Mr. Alterman
stated that he met with Mr. Ford and Mr. Whited regarding the portion of
property belonging to Grand Spaulding that Mill Creek is currently using
as a parking lot. After Mr. Ford comes into title he is willing to sit
down with the Village and discuss an easement.
Mr. Alterman stated that Mr. Kraus indicated at the meeting with the
Park Board that assuming the Park Board could make an arrangement with
the apartment owner he would be willing to donate an additional 135' on
the south end of the property that could be used for public park. This
would incorporate the parking lot. He added that the property has been
examined and it has been concluded that if the parking lot on Grand
Spaulding's property were not used, there would be sufficient parking
for the apartments.
The total dedication from Mr. Kraus would be 4.05 acres. With the
addition of the 3- acre owned by the Village the total park area would
be about 4.5 acres. They are requesting rezoning for 8.5 acres now.
Mr. Alterman stated that they plan to hold the residential section of
the property for investment purposes. He added that they are interested
in preserving the home values but they also believe that the Village of
Buffalo Grove has a responsibility to the business interests in the Village.
Mr. Alterman read a notice which was distributed by a resident of Mill
Creek to other residents of the area. He stated that he wished to
respond to several points in the notice:
1. They have no intention of adding on to the building,
putting in a detention basin or constructing an additional
building at this time.
2. They will not double the size of the building and parking area.
Mr. Alterman added that they are not trying to "slip" anything by the
Village or homeowners.
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Mr. Crosland confirmed that he did meet in a Staff meeting to discuss
the revised plan. He stated that he had several questions:
1. Mr. Seaberg requested a topographical survey. Mr. Crosland
asked if this has been supplied and this also leads into
the question of earth moving and direction of drainage.
Which way will the water flow at such time the plan is
approved?
2. The possibility of sidewalk paving had been mentioned.
3. Would like to explore the possibility of finding some way
to utilize a portion of the pool and the area not contemplated
for building near the apartments for an active use area.
Mr. Crosland stated that there is an 8' to 10' high wall of earth near
the property owners on Crofton Lane. He added that this will reduce the
amount of usable land. This wall extends from the property line of about
4 or 5 houses and roughly 50' in. It is a very steep slope running
parallel to the property line.
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Crosland if he had a written statement for
the Plan Commission from the Park District. Mr. Crosland stated that
he did not have one.
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Seaberg if any recommendations had been made
regarding the two lots still owned by Miller Builders in the northeast
corner near the well site. Mr. Seaberg stated that no recommendations
have been made at this time although they would be nice to have.
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Seaberg if there are any recommendations in
terms of grading. Mr. Seaberg stated that he does expect that some of
the fill on the' proposed park site will have to be removed and he thinks
that realistically Grand Spaulding can use it. The question is will it
be done now or later. If they need the fill it would be to their
advantage to use it.
Chairman Genrich asked if the Staff had a written report. Mr. Seaberg
stated that they did not.
Commissioner Jacobs asked if the park site should be graded in such a
way so the water flows toward the detention area. Mr. Seaberg stated that
it is not necessary. It is vacant now and is suppose to remain vacant.
Commissioner Harris asked if there would have to be some drainage
provided from the park site. Mr. Seaberg stated that there are some
rear yard inlets along there which would serve one side of the park. Some
inlets would have to be brought over to the Grand Spaulding line and Grand
Spaulding would have to agree to drainage flowing across their property.
Commissioner Harris stated that if the donation were made immediately
some conditions would have to be put on it to take care of the water.
Mr. Seaberg stated that overland drainage would suffice until the
improvements are made. There would not have to be permission because
that is the way it drains now.
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Commissioner Harris asked if legally the Park District could design the
area to drain to the west without requiring permission from the owner.
Mr. Seaberg said they could unless they put storm sewers in and then
they would have to get permission to cross the property.
Chairman Genrich asked Mr. Ford if he could give a tentative feeling as
to the access and granting it. Mr. Ford stated that he wonders if there
would be some degree of automobile traffic through their roadways. They
are also concerned about the insurance risks, liabilities, etc. These
are questions they are presently reviewing with their attorney. They
are interested in cooperating in any way possible.
Commissioner Keister asked if the part of the parking lot on Grand
Spaulding's property were given up would the zoning requirements still
be met? Mr. Whited stated that they need 54.10 parking spaces. Without
the portion on Grand Spaulding's property, they still have 67 parking
spaces. He added that the part of the lot in question is the farthest
from the apartment unit and is not desirable parking now.
Commissioner Keister asked what problems would arise should the Village
donate the well site and it is turned into parking for the park.
Mr. Seaberg stated that he does not think there is any problem. They
may need the site for underground storage but he does not think they
will need it for a well site.
Commissioner Harris stated that Grand Spaulding shows an access easement
they will grant off of Dundee Road on the plan. He asked if they intend
to grant that easement. Mr. Alterman replied that they will give a
public access easement to the Village.
Commissioner Harris asked what the ramifications would be if anyone was
injured on the land in the parking lot on the south. Mr. Alterman stated
that they have not had time to address themselves to this. They do have
insurance and are covered.
In response to a question from Commissioner Harris, Mr. Alterman stated
that they could not give a guarantee to the Village that access will be
given on the south end because they do not own that property.
Commissioner Kuenz stated that the issue is commercial zoning on Dundee
Road. Indications are that there will not be an active park site so
the park site can be viewed as a buffer between commercial and residential.
He added that he would be interested in information as to what this
commercial would offer the Village. Mr. Alterman stated that they could
expect about $100,000 in nine months' of tax revenues.
Mr. Crosland stated that the park would be useful to the Park District.
The area would not be for sports, however. It could be a large turf and
landscaped area and more for passive use. Commissioner Jacobs asked if
it would be suitable for tennis. Mr. Crosland stated that they could put
in tennis courts. However, the question is accessibility to the site and
at present there is no information on public access except from Dundee
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Road, The Dundee Road access is not a suitable access even for driving.
There are 12 tennis courts at the high school which the Park District
now uses.
Commissioner Jacobs asked what would preclude basketball activity, tennis
activity, soccer activity, etc. , assuming we can get access through the
south. Mr. Crosland stated that he did not think it could be used for
these sports because of the proximity to the apartments and single-family
homes.
Commissioner Jacobs stated that they are asking for rezoning without
a specific development plan. He asked what would be Grand Spaulding's
feeling about being subjected to final site plan approval by the Village
should the rezoning be granted. Mr. Alterman stated that they would not
submit any type of plan that was not in keeping with the overall needs
of Grand Spaulding. They would also represent that any structure that
they would contemplate would have to comply with those regulations and
ordinances in effect.
Commissioner Jacobs asked if Grand Spaulding would be agreeable to
removing the deposit of earth to a grade satisfactory to the Village
Staff. Mr. Alterman stated that they have not had time to run any
survey or make tests with regard to the land. He added, however, that
they are flexible to grading. If they need the fill, perhaps something
could be worked out with the Village.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked if Grand Spaulding had any idea of what the
additional display area would mean in tax revenue to the Village. Mr. Kraus
stated that the Village gets $50 of every car sale. This would amount to
about $30,000 a year.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked if they would be using guard dogs in the
expanded lot. Mr. Kraus stated that if they do, they will be fenced in.
Commissioner Goldspiel stated that there are some rather substantial
uses that can be made of that area connected with a car dealership. The
Village has to consider anything that can be built under the zoning
ordinance can be built there. Mr. Kraus stated that they intend no use
other then automobile sales.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that the Plan Commission made a policy
statement in 1972 that they would not want Dundee Road to look like
Wheeling. Where the commercial was zoned at that time they would allow
it to be built. After that it would be residential.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that at the last meeting he had asked
Mr. Crosland to come back in with a statement of what the Park District
would like. He asked Mr. Crosland to respond to this. Mr. Crosland
stated that if it could be worked out with the apartments they would
like to have an area in the configuration of a ball diamond around the
swimming pool area. This is the only other addition they would ask.
It would be about a 200' area close to the swimming pool. Something
away from the dwellings.
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Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he was concerned that perhaps we
were getting a park no one will use. He added that the original zoning
of R-9 provides a buffer from commercial to residential. In reality
the park will become a buffer. Mr. Alterman stated that the 4 acres
intended for park land is worth in excess of S100,000.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that once this is zoned B-4, the Village
has practically no control over it. Mr. Alterman stated that they are
not developers and are not in the business of buying or selling land.
They do not want shopping centers, apartments, restaurants, body shops, Etc.
Commissioner Mendenhall said that if they should leave the area the next
person can do whatever they want. Mr. Alterman stated that there should
be a certain amount of trust in any relationship and he asked that the
Village put their trust in Mr. Kraus considering his economic input to
the Village.
Mr. Richard Reid, 990 Crofton Lane, stated that he wished to read from
the letter which was the notice that Mr. Alterman had read from earlier
in the meeting. It was written by Mr. and Mrs. Reid and distributed to
the residents of Mill Creek. Mr. Reid read the letter. He stated that
at the last workshop meeting Mr. Alterman did comment that they were in
the future planning to double the size of their present building and
planned to add a third building for fleet leasing. Mr. Reid added that
he has talked to appraisers and realtors and they stated that housing
next to commercial will sell lower. He also read from an article which
stated that there would be a $3,000 to $5,000 depreciation on a house
if it is backed up to commercial property. The issue is not the park
land, it is the commercial. Mr. Reid stated that he does not see how
this is beneficial to the Village of Buffalo Grove. It is the consensus
of the people he and his wife have talked to that the park land is not
worth commercial.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked who the people are that Mr. Reid was
referring to. Mr. Reid stated that they had a meeting with approximately
20 homeowners from Crofton Lane. He added that when they bought their
homes they were shown a plan on which there were apartment buildings
behind their homes and this is what they expected when they bought their
homes. Mr. Alterman stated that they can not be bound to what Miller
used in his sales pitch to homeowners. Also, Dundee Road has been
declared a state highway and the best use for it would be commercial
at this time.
Mr. Krasner, 1036 Crofton, stated that two weeks ago Mr. Alterman said
that they weren't going to do anything for 10-20 years. He has not heard
him say that tonight.
Mrs. Barbara Floyd questioned the consideration of a plan which has
been submitted without a topographical survey, on which no detailed
engineering has been done and on which there is a question about the
access from Dundee Road for the park.
,r. John McDonald, 811 Essington, stated that he lives in Lake County
in Buffalo Grove and has been following the proceedings on a regular
basis in the paper. As a resident of Buffalo Grove he is interested
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in the taxes and revenue created from taxes which will dilute his taxes.
He also sees the proposed park as very beneficial. Mr. McDonald added
that this proposal should be looked at as for the Village of Buffalo
Grove as a whole and not just a few people. Commissioner Goldspiel asked
Mr. McDonald if he had considered what the alternative tax revenue might
be if this area were developed as apartments as originally planned.
Mr. McDonald stated that personally he would rather see more business
brought to Buffalo Grove.
Mr. Bogart asked Mr. Kraus when they could comment on removing the fill
from the property. Mr. Kraus stated that if the soil tests are acceptable
they would move it right of way.
Commissioner Jacobs stated that an opportunity has been presented offering
some form of park and the residents are opposed. Several months ago they
opposed an apartment development. He asked the residents what they expect
on that property. They have to be realistic and can't expect that someone
will build the exact development they would like to see happen.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that the residents were against the kind
of multi-family several months ago, not multi-family in general.
Commissioner Harris read a letter sent to the Plan Commission from
Mrs. Penny Dobrich, 701 Wyngate. Commissioner Kuenz read a letter from
Mr. and Mrs. Edward LeBlanc. These letters along with ones from Mr. and
Mrs. J. Michael Neumann and Mr. and Mrs. Richard Reid were entered into
the record. All opposed the proposed expansion of Grand Spaulding.
The Public Hearing adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
L'nda Isonhart
Recording Secretary
APPROVED:
Carl Genrich
Plan Commission Chairman
PUBLIC HEARING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
Centex/Ridgewood
June 16, 1976
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Chairman Genrich called the meeting to order at 10:00 p.m. in the
Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard.
Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich
Mr. Mendenhall
Mr. Harris (left at 10:15 p.m. )
Mr. Keister
Mr. Goldspiel
Mr. Jacobs
Mr. Kuenz
Commissioners Absent: Mr. Shields
Mr. Kandel
Also Present: Mr. Robert Fogarty, Construction Manager, Center
Mr. Harry Leonhardt, President, Centex
Mr. J. S. Bilheimer, Vice-President, Centex
Mr. Joe Luciani, Director of Land Development, Centex
Mr. Richard Burton, Michael L. Ives & Assoc.
Mr. Michael Ives, Michael L. Ives & Assoc.
Mr. Stan Crosland, Park District
Mr. Robert Bogart, Trustee
Mr. John Marienthal, Trustee
Mr. Arnie Seaberg, Village Engineer
Mr. William Whited, Administrative Assistant
Chairman Genrich read the Notice of Public Hearing published in the
Buffalo Grove Herald on Wednesday, June 2, 1976. He asked those present
in this regard to introduce themselves and be sworn in. Mr. Robert Fogarty,
Centex, introduced Mr. Harry Leonhardt, President of Centex; Mr. J. S.
Bilheimer, Vice-President of Centex; Mr. Joe Luciani, Director of Land
Development of Centex; Mr. Richard Burton of Michael Ives & Assoc. ; and
Mr. Michael Ives. All were sworn in by Chairman Genrich.
Mr. Fogarty stated that they are asking for approval on a revised land
plan. The original development was called Winston Square. It is now
called Ridgewood. He presented the following exhibits:
103-21 Preliminary Plan
103-22 Preliminary Utility Plan
103-23 Ridgewood Retention Pond Plan
103-24 Lake County Soil and Water Conservation Report
103-25 Revenue Study for Ridgewood
103-26 Staff Plan Review
103-27 Comparative Plan Study for Winston Square vs. Ridgewood
103-28 Natural Resource Inventory for Ridgewood
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103-29 School Tax Revenues vs. Cost of Education
Report for Ridgewood
103-30 School Tax Revenues vs. Cost of Education Report
for Winston Square
103-31 Revenue Study for Winston Square
103-32 Village of Buffalo Grove Project Information Form
103-33 Plan Data with attached Preliminary Plan
Mr. Fogarty stated that they will have 112 single-family homes with a
minimum lot size of 7560 square feet. The average lot size is 8829 square
feet. There are 4 zero-lot line homes with a minimum lot size of 3800
square feet and an average lot size of 5445 square feet. The 64 duplex
lots are a minimum of 3060 square feet and an average of 3540 square
feet. There are 24 townhome lots with a minimum size of 2222 square
feet and an average of 2720 square feet.
Mr. Fogarty stated that the duplex lots are similar to what exists on
the present land plan but are replatted slightly because of relocation
of the school site.
Mr. Ives stated that the pavements are all dedicated. They are 24'wide.
There are a few with a turn-around and quite a few have long stub streets
on the present approved plan. There is a 1.3 acre commercial site in the
southwest corner and a 10-acre elementary school site.
Mr. Ives stated that there are no areas subject to flooding on the property
itself. According to their topographical studies the property flows from
a westerly direction to an easterly direction.
Mr. Ives presented the Lake County Soil and Water Conservation Report
dated November 29, 1972, in which they recommend the requested PUD zoning
be granted subject to the recommendations stated in the conclusion of the
Natural Resource Evaluation.
Mr. Ives stated that the balance of the model home area will be developed
into duplexes. The total number of duplexes is 64. The single-family
streets have a 53' right-of-way with 27' of pavement and an 8' parkway.
There are 5' sidewalks on each side. On the cul-de-sacs there is a
60' radius on the right-of-way and a 43.5 radius on the turn-around.
Mr. Ives reviewed the revenue studies presented as exhibits. In reviewing
the annual deficit revenues for Ridgewood and Winston Square he stated
that the school site could be sold if the school does not want to build
on it. He added that there will always be a deficit.
Mr. Luciani explained the preliminary utility layout. He stated that
they were working with a site plan that had many restraints on it. There
is a sanitary sewer line in the northeast corner. All sewage will dis-
charge to that point. There is a drainage overflow just below that on
the plan. The water supply is presently contemplated as a cross-connection
with the Lake County water supply system. They also plan to bring water
from Buffalo Grove Road through a series of networks of watermains to get
water to the townhouse section under construction.
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Mr. Luciani presented a schematic drawing of the retention lake that
exists on the site. The slopes are all manageable.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that he thought they basically had done
an excellent job in revising the plan. The access to the school has been
opened up as requested at the previous meeting with Centex. It is 27'
at the right-of-way line, 37' at the building property line and 70' in
the rear.
Commissioner Mendenhall asked if they would be putting in a sidewalk
from the area of the retention lake to the school site. Mr. Luciani
stated they would be putting in a bituminous one.
Commissioner Mendenhall stated that his figures for the school deficit
were different from Centex. Mr. Ives stated that we are on a population
decline but he had to utilize figures represented by Buffalo Grove even
though he thinks they are too high.
Mr. Crosland stated that he had no statement from the Park District. They
are not the recipients of any land but in an advisory capacity, they would
work with them.
k property owner stated that she lives on the northwest side of the
proposed development and questioned the amount of area between the
townhouse units. Mr. Fogarty stated that there is 55' to 60' between
the garages and buildings. He added that there will be no road or vehicle
traffic between the resident's lot and the townhomes.
The resident, who did not wish to identify herself, asked Mr. Seaberg
about an unfinished street near her home. After further discussion the
resident was asked to contact the Village Staff regarding this issue.
In response to a question from Commissioner Goldspiel, Mr. Luciani
stated that the development will be using Buffalo Grove water and there
will be a meter in the northeast corner for emergency use of Lake County
water. Mr. Seaberg stated that the water supply from Lake County is
treated as temporary. Once they have Buffalo Grove water the. Lake County
supply will be turned off and used only for emergencies.
Mr. Seaberg stated that the problems that arise with this project are
due to the existence of the utilities in the ground. They have seriously
limited the scope of this project. He added that he does not like the
long corridor between the zero-lot line homes and the duplexes but with
the utilities there is no other way to service it. It will be a maintenance
problem. There are also still problems to be worked out with Tektron.
Mr. Seaberg stated that the Lake County Soil and Water Conservation report
had stated that the school site was not buildable. However, the report
. was for a 124 acre project, not- just this half. The west half of the
project is the better half by far. The poorer soil conditions are in the
east half. Mr. Seaberg stated that he does not believe there are any
problems with regard to building on the school site or the rest.
Plan Commission
Page 4 June 16, 1976
The Public Hearing adjourned at 11:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
L nda Isonhart
Recording Secretary
APPROVED:
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Carl Genr ch, Chairman
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