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1979-02-14 - Plan Commission - Minutes SPECIAL MEETING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Manning Savings & Loan FEBRUARY 14, 1979 Chairman Genrich called the meeting to order at 7:45 PM in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard. Commissioners Present: Chairman Genrich Mr. Shields Mr. Goldspiel Mrs. Sheldon Mr. Button Mr. Kelly Commissioners Absent: Mr. Davis Also Present: Mr. Lloyd Oshsenschlager, Architect, Manning Savings & Loan Mr. John Marienthal , Trustee Mr. Bart Delaney, Planning Coordinator Mr. Jim Truesdell , Staff Planner Mr. Elliott Hartstein Mr. Ron Gunther, RV Owner Mr. Jordan Shifrin, Prospective Commissioner Mr. Gary Glover, Prospective Commissioner APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Sheldon moved that the minutes of the January 31 , 1979 Public Hearing be approved, subject to corrections. Commissioner Shields seconded the motion. Corrections are as follows: PAGE 1 , 2nd paragraph The second sentence should read: "He said the Compre- from bottom: hensive Plan is 6 units per acre." PAGE 3, 2nd paragraph The paragraph should read: "Mr. Boysen stated that he from bottom: does not think that the lagoon areas are on the main channel of a swale, but does not believe that most of the inflow to the lakes would be from ground water after the development is complete, but rather believes that most of the inflow to the lakes will be from the surface runoff discharged into the lake by the proposed storm sewer system. Regardless of this, he did not see any significant problem with the lake concept as proposed which could not be resolved during final engineering." PAGE 4, 8th paragraph: The paragraph should read: "Mr. Truesdell said that the Police Department indicated that they would rather have nothing at all than bushes , mainly because of theft problems. They would have no objections to the trees." Buffalo Grove Plan Commission Special Meeting February 14, 1979 - 2 - PAGE 4, 2nd paragraph In the first sentence, the word "evidence" should be from bottom: inserted between "conclusive" and "that". Upon voice vote, the minutes were unanimously approved as corrected. Commissioner Shields moved that the minutes of the January 31 , 1979 Special Meeting be approved, subject to corrections. Commissioner Sheldon seconded the motion. Corrections are as follows: PAGE 1 , 3rd paragraph. The paragraph should read: "Mr. Truesdell said that from bottom: the developer is to put in a full , one-half street (Buffalo Grove Road) the entire length of the development." Upon voice vote, the minutes were unanimously approved as corrected. MANNING SAVINGS & LOAN Mr. Lloyd Oshsenschlager displayed the Plan. He made reference to the fact that there was originally some concern about the traffic flow. He said that their lot is Lot #1 , and is contiguous to Lots #2, #3, and #4, and that they have received written permission to construct a roadway behind Al 's Cycle Shop, which would ease any traffic congestion. Mr. Oshsenschlager said that the storm water retention/detention pond would be on the corner, and would be screened by low shrubbery. Commissioner Button asked what the difference in elevation would be between the detention pond and the roadway. Mr. Oshsenschlager said it would be about 22' . He also said that there will be burming up about 2' from the public sidewalk. The entrance/exit on Dundee Road will have a "Right Turn Only" sign. Commissioner Button moved that the Plan Commission approve and forward to the Board of Trustees the preliminary plan of the Manning Savings & Loan Association, dated February 14, 1979, and bearing the file #3779-M (Plan Commission Exhibit #927-2) , with the following addition: That both the North and East entrances to the subject property be signed "Right Turn Only" for exiting traffic. Commissioner Sheldon seconded the motion, which was unanimously approved by voice vote. Commissioner Goldspiel arrived after the vote had been taken. PROSPECTIVE COMMISSIONERS Mr. Jordan Shifrin, 65 Wakefield Lane, and Mr. Gary Glover, 8 Amherst Court, were introduced to the Commission. Since this was Mr. Glover's first attendance at a Commission Meeting, he gave the Commission a brief personal background. Chairman Genrich encouraged them to continue attending Commission meetings. FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE There will not be a Commission meeting on February 21 , 1979. There will be Public Hearings on the Recreational Vehicle and Setback Ordinances on February 28, 1979. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission Special Meeting February 14, 1979 - 3 - VILLAGE CENTER Chairman Genrich reported that the Village Board of Trustees will consider the Comprehensive Plan changes,which the Plan Commission recommended, at the March 12, 1979 Board Meeting. RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ORDINANCE Chairman Genrich explained the Plan Commission's interest in the RV Ordinance. Commissioner Sheldon explained the points she had outlined in her memo to the �./ Plan Commission. She said that, from a planning point of view, we do not want to devalue any of the things we have worked on. She said we also do not want to place a hardship on anyone in the Village, which is the purpose of Section 3.8-5 of the Ordinance dealing with Exemptions. Deerfield's RV ordinance has a maximum height of 10' , excluding masts. The Buffalo Grove Ordinance proposes a maximum of 28' in length, 10' in height, and 8' in width. Commissioner Sheldon wants to insure that the Ordinance does not infringe on the rights of anyone who presently owns an RV, but wants to be sure that , in the future, other arrangements be made for such vehicles. The Committee has investigated the possibility of the Village providing a lot to park the vehicles, but it is not feasible because of legal and insurance problems. Commissioner Button stated that the Village does not want to hurt the people who now have RV's, but they do not want to see large RV's parked in front of houses . Mr. Marienthal stated that, as the Ordinance now stands, the only thing that can be parked in a driveway is a passenger automobile. Commissioner Goldspiel stated that he thinks that the draft ordinance is bad because it is too broad. He thinks recreational and commercial vehicles must be dealt with separately. He does not think that any type of commercial vehicle should be allowed to be parked overnight. He thinks that the ordinance should rule out commercial vehicles , and also rule out any vehicle over a certain size. Chairman Genrich stated that the Commission must consider the document that has been prepared when making recommendations to the Board, and not start over by drafting an entirely new document. Commissioner Shields feels that boats and trailers should be considered together. He does not think that commercial vehicles should be permitted. He feels no obligation to allowing recreational vehicles at all , and said that the only way that he could accept this ordinance would be to reduce the maximum height and length. Commissioner Kelly does not see how the Village will be able to enforce the new ordinance, if it is unable to enforce the present ordinance. He said there is no mention of any type of van in the proposed ordinance. Mr. Kelly stated that the proposed ordinance, as it now stands, would prohibit the parking of a company passenger car in the driveway, (page 4, Section 3. 1) . Buffalo Grove Plan Commission Special Meeting February 14, 1979 - 4 - Mr. Kelly does not feel that the proposed ordinance shows any limitations. He also said that if a Grandfather Clause (allowable non-conforming use) were inserted into the ordinance, he does not see how it would be enforced. Commissioner Goldspiel suggested that one way to enforce the ordinance would be to go by the Illinois State Vehicle Code (i .e. A, B, C, and D), Int Commissioner Kelly asked about visitors with RV's. It was said that there could be a special permit for this. Commissioner Goldspiel said that, under the Constitution of the United States, there is a great deal more power to legislate than the Village is currently using. Mr. Shifrin stated that we must deal with the realities of the way people are now living; the RV may be used as a passenger car in the future. Mr. Ron Gunther, an RV owner, objects to the entire ordinance. He does not feel there is a need for it. Commissioner Button stated that he has not seen too many people concerned from the opposite point of view in attendance at meetings , and said that perhaps this is not necessary. Mr. Marienthal said that he made note of questions asked, and will contact the staff to obtain answers for these questions. SETBACK ORDINANCE Mr. Delaney stated that this ordinance clarifies an amendment to an ordinance made about one year ago. He displayed a map identifying the portion of the Village which would apply to the old ordinance. The areas within the red lines would apply to the old ordinance. d.2.a&tyi , `t 2o e�t. 1utk. l Stizz 7Z AIA alruct SEID a,12 1`1 Mr. Elliott Hartstein''stated that the crux of this is not to change things in mid- stream; in other words, someone might buy a piece of property with the intention of putting an addition on, and then find out that the laws had been changed between the time that he purchased the property and the time he wanted to put the addition on. Commissioner Goldspiel asked if most people wanted to add on to their houses in the back, and Mr. Hartstein said that they usually do want4to add on to the back, 61katuktiaik Mr. Marienthal said that the ordinances are placed on such properties so that they would not be so close to each other. 3 'l9 Commissioner Goldspiel stated that the way it now stands , 95% of the Village would be exempt from this ordinance, :1,,d `l�un u�azL an, bLz ., o `111„, `l st16uit , Cat e. A (..pan LAseitz ostibL vitIghl iaa, Chairman Genrich stated that there could possibly be different zoning for separate ;)._j? .,/y sectors of the Village, depending on how far apart the houses are. , 1.0 TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION Commissioner Goldspiel wanted everyone to be aware of the fact that the 690 Nortran bus route is going to be extended, L„wt -,n;,,,,c,, w "J't #.hi„u ,+ILa,i.2, Buffalo Grove Plan Commission Special Meeting n ti 9 February 14, 1979 ''I - 5 - ADJOURNMENT Commissioner Button made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Commissioner Goldspiel . Upon voice vote, the motion unanimously carried, and the meeting was adjourned at 9:45 PM. Respectfully submitted, Janet Sirabian Recording Secretary APPROVED: Carl Genrich, Chairman Buffalo Grove Plan Commission Special Meeting February 14, 1979