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1988-08-10 - Plan Commission - Minutes REGULAR MEETING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Town Place Woodland Commons (Woodlands at Fiore B-3 area) Cherbourg Townhomes Rogers Center for Commerce August 10, 1988 Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes called the special meeting to order at 9:10 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Commissioners Present: Chariman Pro Tem Rhodes Ms. Howard Mr. Braiman Mr. Case Mr. Rubin Commissioners Absent: Ms. Sheldon Mr. Goldspiel Mr. Krug Mr. Rosenston Also Present: Mr. S. Lieberman, Developer, Town Place Mr. M. Schwartz, Attorney, Town Place Ms. T. Ryan, Landscaper, Town Place Mr. L. Skiba, Planner, Town Place Mr. J. Hill, 301 Gardinia, Buffalo Grove Resident Mr. G. Zale, Developer, Woodland Commons Ms. B. Block, Traffic, Woodland Commons Mr. D. Seaboldt, Real Estate, Woodland Commons Mr. G. Jenkins, Architect, Woodland Commons Mr. D. Manhard, Engineer, Woodland Commons Mr. W. Reid, Village Trustee Mr. R. Shelton, Village Attorney Mr. M. Biederwolf, Village Engineer Mr. R. Pfeil, Village Planner APPROVAL OF MINUTES Moved by Commissioner Rubin, seconded by Commissioner Braiman and unanimously carried to defer approval of the July 20, 1988 Regular Meeting and Public Hearing minutes until the August 17, 1988 meeting. COMMITTEE & LIAISON REPORTS Commissioner Braiman attended the August 8, 1988 Village Board meeting at which the following projects were referred to the Plan Commission: 1. Commonwealth Edison transformer 2. Sims Property 3. Mobil station at Arlington Heights and Dundee Road. The Canterbury Fields item was tabled and the Park District requested the Title 19 park donation be changed from $35,000 to $50,000 and the acreage from 10 to 15 acres. The Board concurred and the necessary procedure will be undertaken. TOWN PLACE (TOWN CENTER RESIDENTIAL) - AMENDMENT TO P.U.D.AND PRELIMINARY PLAN Moved by Commissioner Rubin, seconded by Commissioner Howard that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of the PUD in the B-5 District, Town Place, with the variation to allow a setback of 20' instead of 25' along residential boundary line as necessary and variation for parking area of 20' versus 25' from the roadway with the removal of the fence, of any kind, for separation on the south side between the townhomes as it points towards the senior care center per the plans dated August 10, 1988, Petitioners Exhibits 1 through 8 (which are 9 exhibits total) including the Exhibits in the Plan Commission packet that were not formally presented during the hearing. Discussion: Commissioner Rubin recommended consideration of varying the yard setback in order to open up the vista walkway subject to reviewing the paperwork. Commissioner Howard felt the residents of the project should be considered regarding widening the vista 10' and elimination of the gate. Commissioner Braiman urged the Village Board to accept the height of the building but was concerned with the south end and opening it up. He liked the plan with the exception of this item. Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes was not in favor of the building height and was concerned with the vista walkway not being wider. AYES: Howard, Case and Rubin NAYES: Braiman ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 3 - 1. Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes called a recess at 9:25 P.M. and reconvened the meeting at 9:32 P.M. WOODLAND COMMONS Mr. Jenkins stated they have submitted an enlarged plan showning the surrounding sites. They will require storm water detention off site and at the locations on the plan. They are now showing a 50' setback instead of the 30' as requested. The bike path runs across the entire site. The interior parking lot circulation has been detailed. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Regular Meeting - August 10, 1988 - Page 2 The interior parking lot circulation has been defined. They are showing enclosed trash areas throughout the site and a conceptual road pattern in the industrial area. They are showing 2% handicap parking including handicap spaces for emergency that meet the new standards. A preliminary plan of how they would be loading the center has been presented. They will have a 6' fence instead of the 8' . They will position the outlots to improve traffic flow. They have stop signs at major intersections within the development. The outdoor sales area will require a variation to minimize the impact of 1) �J 30' of frontage as exposed to the sales area 2) the outdoor sales area is in the rear of the building. The builder is aware that 90 degree parking requires an 18.5' stall length and 26' wide aisles and they would be asking for a variation of this. The Commission did not approve of this variation. The outdoor sales would be on the order of garden supplies and have a fence around it with access from the front and back. At the southeast corner the drive narrows to 35' . They would be happy to supply a bus stop area. The detention area on the site is wet where noted as retention and dry where noted at detention. There are approximately 70 parking spaces in the rear of the site for employee parking, which is hard to enforce. There will be probably more than 70 employees for the site. These spaces are part of the total parking count. The fence on the north of the property will be on top of the berm and they will need a variation for this. For the next workshop the developer will prepare an engineering, landscape and traffic plan along with renderings of building heights, depths and what kind of fence will be used on the perimeter. The mechanicals will be hidden and the buildings will be from 15' to 20' in depth. The Commission was polled on the variation for a hardware store yes indicating no objection to the outdoor space for storage of outdoor sales subject to the fence in front and back. AYES: Howard, Braiman, Case and Rubin NAYES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The pole was favorable 4 - 0. CHERBOURG TOWNHOMES - PLAT OF RESUBDIVISION #2 Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of Cherbourg Townhomes Unit #1 Plat of Resubdivision #2 showing Lots 1, 2, 3 and 4 dated July 18, 1988. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Regular Meeting - August 10, 1988 - Page 3 AYES: Howard, Braiman, Case and Rubin NAYES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 4 - 0. Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of Cherbourg Townhomes Unit #1 Plat of Resubdivision #4 showing Lots 1, 2, 3 and 4 dated July 18, 1988. AYES: Howard, Braiman, Case and Rubin NAYES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 4 - 0. Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Rubin that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of Cherbourg Townhomes Unit #1 Plat of Resubdivision #5 showing Lots 1, 2, 3 and 4 dated July 18, 1988. AYES: Howard, Braiman, Case and Rubin NAYES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 4 - 0. Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Rubin that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of Cherbourg Townhomes Unit #1 Plat of Resubdivision #27 showing Lots 1, 2, 3 and 4 dated July 18, 1988. AYES: Howard, Braiman, Case and Rubin NAYES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 4 - 0. ROGERS CENTRE FOR COMMERCE - FINAL PLAT Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard that the Plan Commission recommend to the Village Board approval of Rogers Centre Final Plat subject to, based upon the past procedure, the owner's certification and date being placed thereon prior to and showing the present surveyor's date of August 2, 1988. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Regular Meeting - August 10, 1988 - Page 4 AYES: Howard, Case and Rubin NAYES: Braiman ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The motion passed 3 - 1. FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE On August 17, 1988 there will be workshops on the Golf Course North and the Commonwealth Edison Facility at Busch Parkway. Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard to move into Executive Session. Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes recessed the meeting and the Commission went into Executive session and 10:43 P.M. and the meeting was reconvened at 10:50 P.M. ADJOURNMENT Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard, and unanimously carried to adjourn the meeting. Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes adjourned the meeting at 10:51 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Kathleen Comer Recording Secretary APPROVED BY: Dusty R des Chairman Pro Tem Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Regular Meeting - August 10, 1988 - Page 5 EXECUTIVE SESSION BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION August 10, 1988 Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes called the executive session to order at 10:44 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Commissioners Present: Chariman Pro Tem Rhodes Ms. Howard Mr. Braiman Mr. Case Mr. Rubin Mr. Rosenston Commissioners Absent: Ms. Sheldon Mr. Goldspiel Mr. Krug Mr. Rosenston Also Present: Mr. R. Shelton, Village Attorney Mr. M. Biederwolf, Village Engineer Mr. R. Pfeil, Village Planner The Commission went into Executive Session to discuss possible litigation on the Golf Course North property. ADJOURNMENT Moved by Commissioner Braiman, seconded by Commissioner Howard, and unanimously carried to adjourn the executive session. Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes adjourned the meeting at 10:51 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Ka hleen Comer Recording Secretary APPROVED BY: Dusty Rh des Chairman PUBLIC HEARING BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION Town Place (Town Center Residential) August 10, 1988 Chairman Pro Tem Rhodes called the public hearing to order at 7:34 P.M. in the Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Commissioners Present: Chariman Pro Tem Rhodes Ms. Howard Mr. Braiman Mr. Case Mr. Rubin Commissioners Absent: Ms. Sheldon Mr. Goldspiel Mr. Krug Mr. Rosenston Also Present: Mr. S. Lieberman, Developer, Town Place Mr. M. Schwartz, Attorney, Town Place Ms. T. Ryan, Landscaper, Town Place Mr. L. Skiba, Planner, Town Place Mr. J. Hill, 301 Gardinia, Buffalo Grove Resident Mr. W. Reid, Village Trustee Mr. R. Skelton, Village Attorney Mr. M. Biederwolf, Village Engineer Mr. R. Pfeil, Village Planner Chariman Pro Tem Rhodes read the notice of the public hearing as published in the Buffalo Grove Herald and informed the audience of the format the meeting would take. He then swore in Messrs. Lieberman, Schwartz, Skiba and Ms. Ryan. The exhibits were those contained Mr. Pfeil's August 4, 1988 memo to the Plan Commission titled Town Place and Petitioner's Exhibits 1 through 8 (which consist of 9 exhibits) . Mr. Skiba stated that at the July 8, 1988 Village Board meeting the item of the height of the 4 story building was discussed. The variation of that plan shown this evening was not before the Board at that date and they plan on returning to the Village Board with the present plan which shows a variation on the 62' height from 62' to 58' and back to 62' . This is the plan before the Commission this evening. Shown on the plan submitted to the Commission the 27' dimension between the east roadway of the multi-family also the setback between parking and residential which might require a variation but they want to maintain this. There will be 2 multi-family buildings of 46 units each, 4 stories over parking. There are now 46 spaces under the building. The 16' wide handicap stalls required additional parking in the guest parking area to maintain the 1.7 per unit ratio. The 70 townhome units have 2 car parking in the garage, 2 spaces on the drive and access to the 41 guest spaces around the site. They will maintain the 42' on the roadway system from the vista basin to the public area which will have a gate to protect the security of the residents purchasing units. They are not including the elderly portion of the plan because they do not control that site. Their roadway system is now considered a public access easement which will allow the developer to develop the roadway under the TIF financing and will not require a variation from the Village development standards. The bus stop is to located between the proposed elderly care and the townhomes it is under the direction of IDOT and Nortran. He then reviewed a rendering of the townhome buildings with Exhibit #3. Exhibit #4 was a rendering of the multi-family and the townhomes. The multi-family building will be 49' high with a parapet, 62' at the highest line of the roof. They have sculptured the roof to 58' above the ground level at various points thus eliminating the straight look. Exhibit #5 was a rendering depicting buildings across the basin. They looked at depressing the parking and the lowest that they could go would be 3' . This is dictated by an overland emergency outlet for the pond. They believe that even this is a technical variation of the ordinance as it pertains to flood and storm water detention. There would also be a potential of some flooding of that basement parking facility. Exhibit 6A, B and 7 were site line drawings toward the Church. The single story commercial building on Route 83 blocks the vista of the steeple. They maintain that within their development at the corners of the 4 story building, through the vista basin and walkway the Steeple is not blocked. There is 42% open space on the site. He reviewed the statistics denoting the fact that they have reduced the massiveness of the project. They feel their roofline on the multi-family building is an asset to the project and will cost the developer more to construct. Ms. Ryan briefly reviewed the landscaping plan with Exhibit #8. Commissioner Rubin likes the architecture of the buildings. He was concerned with the opening up of the vista and would like to see it larger. He recommended that there be some requirement that the gate has to be open during certain hours and that the condominium association could not vary this. Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Public Hearing - August 10, 1988 - Page 2 Commissioner Howard was concerned with the association changing the requirements regarding the gate. Commissioner Braiman was concerned with the vista walkway opening. On the south end there are 10 parking spaces and he would like to see plantings instead. He did not object to the height of the 4 story building. Mr. Schwartz stated the 20' setback variation to the parking came about because there is a conflict in the ordinance. The entire Town Center was planned with the 20' setback and the retail was approved with it. They would request a variation if necessary. If the Commission would require a variation on the side yard setback near the end of the townhomes on the side of the plan near the vista walkway they would take 5' from each end and put it in the vista walkway making it 52' instead of 42' . The Commission was polled to change the sideyard variation from 22' to 15' on the southeast and southwest corner and thereby increase the vista 10' to make it 52' . AYES: Howard and Rubin NAYES: Braiman, Case and Rhodes ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Sheldon, Goldspiel, Krug and Rosenston The pole failed 3 - 2. Commissioner Rubin stated that he voted yes with the condition that the trustees and staff review the drawings. Commissioner Case was concerned with the vista width. Mr. Hill was concerned with the height of the 4 story buildings. He felt he should have been notified of the workshop sessions on this project. Chariman Pro Tem Rhodes closed the public hearing at 9:09 P.M. Respectfully submitted, e,d2-7r/ Kathleen Comer Recording Secretary APPROVED BY: ‘ "/- Dusty hodes Chairman Pro Tem Buffalo Grove Plan Commission - Public Hearing - August 10, 1988 - Page 3