1980-06-09 - Village Board Committee of the Whole - Minutes SUMMARY OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OF THE PRESIDENT AND BOARD OF TRUSTEES
OF THE VILLAGE OF BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS, HELD MONDAY, JUNE 9, 1980, AT
THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, 50 RAUPP BOULEVARD, BUFFALO GROVE, ILLINOIS.
President Clayton called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. in the Youth
Center.
President Clayton and all Trustees were present. Also present were:
William Balling, Village Manager; William Raysa, Village Attorney; William
Sommer, Assistant Village Manager; Gregory Boysen, Director of Public Works.
Mr. Balling stated that tonight is the official opening of the Youth Center,
and gave the Board a verbal "walk-through" of the building.
President Clayton thanked the staff and the Youth Commission for making the
building possible.
Mr. Sommer outlined the activities presently planned for the building, and
explained how the use of the building will be set up and monitored. Discussion
followed on staffing, fund raising, care of the building, programming, and
other facets of operating the Youth Center. Also discussed was the involvement
of Omni-House with the Youth Center. Mr. Gopon and Mr. Mayfield were thanked
for the time and effort which they have put into the Youth Center.
President Clayton polled the Board: "Yes" indicates favor of the staff pro-
ceeding as outlined in Mr. Sommer's June 5, 1980 memo to the President and
Board; "No" indicates opposition. The point was made that, if the Park
District does not come through with the funding for a part-time staff person
as outlined, the subject will again come before the Board before any other
decisions are made regarding the use of the Youth Center.
YES: Marienthal , Stone, O'Reilly, Hartstein, Kavitt, Gerschefske
NO: None
PROPERTY - ARLINGTON HEIGHTS AND LAKE COOK ROADS
Mr. Arthur Saltzman stated that he is the owner of the property at the
northeast corner of Lake-Cook and Arlington Heights Roads. He stated that
the 32 acres on the corner of the parcel is presently zoned B-2, and the
balance of the parcel is zoned for multi-family residential . Mr. Saltzman
stated that the reason they are before the Board is to request that the 31
acres of commercial be enlarged to 15 acres.
Mr. Chuck Fiorito with Joseph Freed and Associates stated that they are
contemplating the development of the 30 acre parcel , part being commercial
and part office/research. He stated that they are presenting tonight a
land utilization plan, showing 50% commercial and 50% office, attempting
to use the office/research area as a buffer between the property on the east
and the property on the north. He stated that his firm is specifically a
shopping center developer. Since the Board has not seen the plan being
presented, President Clayton suggested that comments be directed at the
concept of increasing the commercial area, versus what has previously been
discussed.
Mr. Fiorito stated that they do not envision this shopping center as being
in conflict with the Town Center; they would propose uses not incorporated
in the Town Center, such as a home center. Also proposed would be a major
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food/drug store, and a restaurant such as a Hoolihan 's or T.G. I . Friday's , and
a bank or savings and loan institution on the corner. He said that their main
interest tonight is to determine if the Board is in agreement with the 15 acre/
15 acre split , rather than the presently proposed 3 acre commercial/27 acre office
use. Trustee O'Reilly stated that she doesn 't think that much commercial acreage
will compliment the area; she feels some of the commercial belongs in the Town
Center; she feels that there are already enough financial institutions in the
Village; and she stated she was much happier with the Trammel Crow presentation.
Mr. Fiorito responded to Trustee O'Reilly, and stated that he feels his plan
could be done attractively.
Trustee Hartstein stated that he feels that more intense office/research
utilization seems to be more in line with the area; he also feels that some of
these uses should be in the Town Center; he feels that there should possibly be
more than one fine restaurant; and he would favor much heavier emphasis on the office/
research area, rather than more commercial .
Mr. Saltzman stated that 264 acres of office space is too much, and he feels that
the ultimate use of the property could be delayed for as much as 20 years. He
said that he would rather see the development they have proposed tonight, and
forego the multi-family.
Trustee Stone stated that he doesn 't see the need for another shopping center
of this type; he feels there is too much commercial for that corner; and he
feels this would be taking away from other businesses in the Village.
Trustee Marienthal asked if they had considered reducing the office/research
and incorporating more multi-family. Mr. Fiorito stated some specifics required
for the development of a shopping center.
Trustee Kavitt suggested that they could perhaps be the anchor in the Town
Center. Mr. Fiorito stated that they have discussed the Town Center with
staff, and were told that the food/drug operation was not wanted in the Town
Center. Mr. Sommer commented on the staff reaction to this plan. He stated
that staff is concerned with the three different land uses on this size parcel .
Discussion took place regarding what the Village would like to see on this
parcel of property. It was stated that they would like to see the commercial
channelled into the Town Center; also, because the parcel is adjacent to the
golf course and a forest preserve, it is regarded as a unique piece of property.
Mr. Saltzman stated that he agrees that he would also like to see office/
research on this parcel ; but he does not see the need for over 400,000 square
feet of office space.
Trustee Gerschefske stated that he does not feel that every major inter-
section, such as this one, should have commercial use on every corner; he
said there are already a number of commercial establishments in that area;
he would like to see a nice office complex on the site, but does not have
any objection to the concept of residential ; he cannot see commercial
fitting on this piece of property.
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Trustee Marienthal stated that he feels there could be a mix of all three
on the property (commercial/residential/office) .
Mr. Fiorito asked the Board what they felt the proper relationship of
commercial to other uses would be on this location. President Clayton
asked each Trustee to give his or her opinion as to the percentage of
commercial to office space which should be on this site. The present
proposal of the developer is 160,000 square feet of commercial , and 225,000
square feet of office.
Trustee Marienthal : Depends entirely on the use proposed.
Trustee Stone: With this proposal , he would want to see 261 acres of office,
and 32 acres of commercial . If there were something such as a theater pro-
posed, he would revise those figures, but he does not want to see another
shopping center.
Trustee O'Reilly: Also feels it should be 26 or 27 acres office, and 3 or 4
acres commercial with the proposed plan; but would revise those figures if a
theater or two restaurants were proposed.
Trustee Hartstein: With a restaurant or theater, he would go as high as 50%
office and 50% commercial , otherwise, he would favor 5 to 7 acres of commercial ,
with the rest being office/research; he would not rule out multi-family; he is
opposed to a major food chain or a home service center.
Trustee Kavitt : Does not want to make a decision on the mix tonight; would like
to see other areas explored, and possibly an entirely new concept.
Trustee Gerschefske: Does not want to give an exact percentage tonight; would
like to see a restaurant; cannot see any other type of commercial set up on
the site.
President Clayton summarized the feeling of the Board that there can be more
commercial only if it is something different than a shopping center.
Mr. Gary Brim gave his views of why he feels the proposed plan is a good one.
He pointed out that the topography of the site lends itself to a great deal
of berming, which would shield the center greatly from the road. Trustee
Marienthal cited an example of a shopping center that he had seen which was
designed so that one was not aware that it was a shopping center until in
the center itself.
SIDEWALK - RONNIE/CAREN DRIVE
Mr. and Mrs. Sam Domenico of 421 Caren Drive presented a diagram showing
the proposed sidewalk next to their home. They gave their reasons for not
wanting this sidewalk to be put in, and asked if the Board would reconsider
its decision of last week.
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After lengthy discussion on the advantages and disadvantages of putting in
the sidewalk, as well as the knowledge that the staff still recommends that
the sidewalk be put in, President Clayton polled the Board: "Yes" indicates
favor of reconsidering this subject; "No" indicates opposition:
YES: 1 - Kavitt
NO: 5 - Marienthal , Stone, O'Reilly, Hartstein, Gerschefske
The decision will remain as it was at the last Regular Meeting on June 2,
1980.
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Gerschefske, seconded by Stone, to adjourn the meeting. Upon voice
vote, the motion was unanimously declared carried. The meeting was adjourned
at 9:42 P.M.
JanUM. Sirabian, Village Clerk