1986-11-10 - Village Board Special Meeting - Minutes 7003
11/10/86
MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE
VILLAGE BOARD OF THE VILLAGE OF BUFFALO
GROVE, ILLINOIS, HELD IN THE COUNCIL
CHAMBERS, VILLAGE HALL, NOVEMBER 10, 1986
President Clayton called the meeting to order at 9:00 P.M. CALL TO ORDER
Those present stood and pledged allegiance to the Flag.
Roll call indicated the following present: President ROLL CALL
Clayton, Trustees Marienthal, O'Reilly, Glover, Reid,
Shields, and Kowalski. Also present were: William
Balling, Village Manager; William Raysa, Village Attorney;
and James Truesdell, Village Planner.
President Clayton thanked the Village Clerk for the effort put STUDENT
into Student Government Day. GOVERNMENT DAY
Mr. Tom Rosenberg made a presentation to the Board, stating GOLF COURSE
that it is the exact same presentation previously made; the EAST PROPERTY
reason they are before the Board again is that he and the owners
have worked out an agreement where the Checker Road parcel will
be single family rather than multi-family. President Clayton
asked when the Village could expect to receive the petition for
the down-zoning on the Checker Road piece. Mr. Rosenberg stated
that they are prepared to do that at any time.
President Clayton stated that, as she understands it, this is a
package of three items: this PUD, the re-zoning of the 1.34 acre
piece from R-4 to R-9, which is where the tennis courts are going
to go; and the re-zoning from R-9 to R-4 of 12 acres on Checker.
Mr. Rosenberg stated that was correct, and the package also includes
the police station site.
Trustee Glover stated that the original plan on the parcel east
of the golf course shows enclosed parking. Mr. Rosenberg stated
that he has checked that, and it does not require enclosed
parking. Mr. Rosenberg stated that he would have to charge $60-
$70 per month rent for the parking, and people would only use the
underground parking for 3 or 4 months during the winter. Each
space would cost him approximately $12,000 to build. Mr. Rosenberg
stated that he does not build underground parking in any of his
buildings. If he puts in underground parking, he would have to cut
back on the quality of the development. Trustee Glover stated that,
if these are luxury apartments, why would the tenants not wish to
have underground parking? Mr. Rosenberg responded that, although
they might like it, they will not be willing to pay for it. Mr
Rosenberg stated that it is extremely costly to put parking under-
ground.
President Clayton stated for the record that it is not the opinion
of the Village that the agreement does not require underground
parking.
President Clayton asked about the petition for the R-4 zoning. Mr.
Rosenberg stated that they did not have it available this evening,
but can have it available tomorrow.
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President Clayton stated that the developer at Chatham indicated
that underground parking costs $2,000-$5,000 per space. Mr.
Rosenberg stated that that cannot be correct.
Trustee Marienthal stated that the density does not blend with
this neighborhood. He does not think that the building type is
harmonious with the surrounding development. He believes that
this development would detract from the golf course, rather than
enhance it. He would only consider single family and/or townhouses
on this property.
Trustee O'Reilly stated that she understood that underground parking
was an accepted point. Mr. Rosenberg said that he stated that he
would investigate the possibility, which he did, and found that
it is not economically feasible. He stated that this property is
set aside for multi-family, and was set aside in the agreement
when the Village acquired the golf course.
Trustee O'Reilly asked if the down-zoning for the Checker Road
site is the trade off for the underground parking. Mr. Rosenberg
stated that it is a trade off. Mr. Rosenberg stated that his cost
for the down-zoning on Checker Road is considerably less than
underground parking. Mr. Rosenberg stated that the amount of green
space lost if there is above ground parking will not be that great.
Mr. Rosenberg stated that he has always been skeptical with regard
to the underground parking. The benefit is minor and the cost is
significant.
Mr. Rosenberg stated that the Checker Road concept was something
which was discussed earlier. It was not something that was
discussed as a trade off for the parking. This was his idea as a
way to reach an agreement. He did not want to end up in court since
that would be of no benefit to him.
Mr. Rosenberg stated that a separate, enclosed garage would cost
about half of what the underground parking would cost.
Trustee Shields also stated that he thought an agreement had been
reached with regard to underground parking.
Trustee Kowalski asked questions regarding other luxury developments.
Mr. Rosenberg responded to Trustee Kowalski. He stated that he cannot
include the cost of the parking in the rent, because the rent would
be too high.
Trustee Glover asked what variations are being requested. Mr.
Rosenberg responded that he is just asking for setback variations.
Trustee Glover stated that he is very concerned about adequate
berming from the surrounding single family homes, as well as the golf
course. Trustee Glover is also very concerned about sufficient
landscaping and the highest quality building materials, and he wants
the Plan Commission and the Appearance Commission to review this
in great detail.
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Trustee Glover stated that, although he is reluctant, he will
refer for a Plan Review of the PUD approval of approximately 13.66
acres east of the golf course approximately 500' west of Buffalo
Grove Road, and also the re-zoning from R-4 to R-9 district and the
PUD approval of approximately 1.34 acres located on Checker Road
approximately 400' west of Buffalo Grove Road, and also the re-zoning
from R-9 PUD district to R-4 district of approximately 12 acres
located on Checker Road adjacent to Springside Lane. Trustee Reid
seconded the motion.
In answer to a question from Trustee Reid, Mr. Rosenberg stated
that he believes that the parking could be enclosed for $4,000 to
$5,000 per space. Trustee Reid asked if he would be willing to
enclose the parking. Mr. Rosenberg stated that he would not be able
to do that in addition to down-zoning the Checker Road piece. Mr.
Rosenberg stated that he would be willing to cost it out and present
it to the Board as an alternative.
Trustee O'Reilly asked if the Board must refer this. Mr.Raysa
answered "yes, but the Board may ask for more information if they
desire".
Trustee O'Reilly stated that she does not understand how, if this
is to be such a luxury development, the renters will not be willing
to pay for underground parking. Mr. Rosenberg stated that they
would want it, but would not be willing to pay for it. Trustee
O'Reilly stated that, because of the legal opinion that we must
refer this, she has to voice the opinion that she is concerned
that this development is going to be shortchanged because we are
buying the zoning on Checker Road. She thinks that is wrong and
thinks it is a separate issue.
In answer to a question from Trustee O'Reilly, Mr. Rosenberg stated
that he would not have come back without the change in the zoning
of the Checker Road piece. Trustee O'Reilly stated that this is
the same plan, it has no more amenities, it does not have under-
ground parking, and she does not see how the Board can approve it.
In answer to a question from Trustee Glover, Mr. Rosenberg stated
that after reviewing the minutes, the document and the contracts,
he determined that underground parking was not required.
Mr. Rosenberg stated that he has no problem with building the type
of quality desired by the Board. Trustee Glover asked if Mr.
Rosenberg would build the approved plan. Mr. Rosenberg stated that
he would prefer to build the presented plan. Trustee Glover asked
if Mr. Rosenberg could make the same amount of money by building
the approved plan. Mr. Rosenberg stated that, in the long run, he
believes the approved plan would make less money.
Upon roll call, Trustees voted as follows on the motion.
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AYES: 2 - Glover, Reid
NAYES: 4 - Marienthal, O'Reilly, Shields, Kowalski
Motion defeated.
Trustee Shields asked for reconsideration of that motion.
Moved by Shields, seconded by Reid to reconsider the motion.
Upon roll call, trustees voted as follows:
AYES: 6 - Marienthal, O'Reilly, Glover, Reid, Shields, Kowalski
NAYES: 0 - None
Motion declared carried.
Trustees then again voted on the original motion:
AYES: 4 - Glover, Reid, Shields, President Clayton*
NAYES: 3 - Marienthal, O'Reilly, Kowalski
Motion declared carried.
*Keeping in mind that the Village Attorney has advised that we have
to refer an item that is in the Village, and we have a petition
before us, to the Plan Commission, and also keeping in mind that
the Plan Commission will take into consideration all of the items
which were brought up this evening, and knowing that the Board is
split when it comes back from the Plan Commission, she hopes that
it will be something on which the Board will not be so split.
Moved by Glover, seconded by O'Reilly to adjourn the meeting ADJOURNMENT
Upon voice vote, the motion was unanimously declared carried.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P.M.
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Jan't M. Sirabian, Village Clerk
APPROVED BY ME THIS (11ii DAY
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