2013-09-18 - Plan Commission - Minutes Board or Commission: ❑ Plan commission
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Meeting ate: 09/18/2013
Type of Meeting: ❑ Regular Meeting
REGULAR MEETING
BUFFALO GROVE PLAN COMMISSION
September 18, 2013
Pulte Homes -Annexation with R-3A zoning and approval of a
Preliminary Plan for a single-family residential development,
Hoffman property, 22140 N. Prairie Road -Workshop 1
Chairman Smith called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Village Council chambers,
Buffalo Grove Municipal Building, 50 Raupp Boulevard, Buffalo Grove, Illinois.
Commissioners present: Chairman Smith
Mr. Khan
Mr. Stark
Mr. Cohn
Mr. Weinstein
Ms. Johnson
Mr. Matthews
Mr. Goldspiel
Commissioners absent: None
Also present: Mr. Mark Mastrorocco, Pulte Homes
Mr. Chuck Hanlon, Wills Burke Kelsey Associates
Mr. Bill Zalewski, SPACECO Engineering
Ms. Eve B. Lee, Eve B. Lee &Associates
Mr. Willard Hoffmann
Mr. Bert Sherman
Mr. Charles Byrum, Meltzer, Purtill & Stelle
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Moved by Commissioner Khan, seconded by Commissioner Goldspiel, to approve the minutes
of the public hearing of August 21, 2013. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion and the
motion passed unanimously with Commissioners Johnson and Goldspiel abstaining.
Moved by Commissioner Khan, seconded by Commissioner Matthews, to approve the minutes
of the regular meeting of August 21, 2013. All Commissioners were in favor of the motion and
the motion passed unanimously with Commissioners Johnson and Goldspiel abstaining.
Commissioner Cohn attended the Village Board meeting on September 9, 2013 and stated there
was a presentation by the Police Department on the medical marijuana matter. They spoke
generally about the law and recognizing the reasonable zoning ordinance permission of the
statute we are currently evaluating. Secondly, the variation concerning the driveway apron at
508 Cameron Way was discussed, and the Village Board approved the ordinance granting the
variation. This was consistent with the recommendation of the Plan Commission. Third, there
was a referral to the Plan Commission for a special use in the Industrial District for Epic Power
Conditioning at 1620 Barclay Road. The petitioner requests approval to operate a physical
fitness & training facility.
PULTE HOMES - ANNEXATION WITH R-3A ZONING AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY
PLAN FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, HOFFMANN PROPERTY,
22140 N. PRAIRIE ROAD -WORKSHOP 1
Mr. Mark Mastrorocco said that Pulte Homes has been looking for a long time to find a site for a
project in Buffalo Grove. Pulte is working with the Hoffmann family to develop a plan for the
20-acre property on the west side of Prairie Road south of the Prairie Grove subdivision.
Mr. Mastrorocco said that Pulte focuses on high-quality development. He noted that last year
Pulte Homes ranked first amongst all homebuilders in the entire Chicagoland area in terms of
quality.
Mr. Chuck Hanlon reviewed the site location, and the Village's Comprehensive Plan
designations for the general area of Aptakisic Road, Prairie Road and Buffalo Grove Road. He
noted that the proposed plan for the Hoffman property will could eventually connect to adjacent
areas if the properties to the west are developed. The Village's planning contemplates a future
completion or build out of a neighborhood going west all the way to Buffalo Grove Road. Looking
at all this potential build out to the north and west we are really looking at a development of just
one corner at the southeast corner of a larger neighborhood that would come together. The
central park area depicted on the Village Comprehensive Plan has been started as part of the
Prairie Grove subdivision. The proposed plan for the Hoffmann property will add about 0.83
acres to the existing park area. Mr. Hanlon noted that with the geometry and dimensions of the
property it yielded a park space in the corner of the development that fits into the larger park
plan. The park area is also just about the exact size required by the Village's ordinance
concerning park land donation based on the number of residents that would reside in the
development.
Mr. Hanlon said the plan proposes 41 lots, similar in size to the adjacent Prairie Grove
subdivision. The land drains to the east and they would have a linear detention area paralleling
Prairie Road similar to the detention area for Prairie Grove. The combined stormwater detention
areas create a nice green belt along Prairie Road. He noted that the proposed improvement to
Weiland and Prairie Road will create an S curve directly east of the Hoffmann property, and
some additional green space could be created on the west side of Prairie Road with right-of-way
that will no longer be needed.
Mr. Hanlon reviewed the proposed farmstead that would remain on the property. The existing
house and farm buildings would be retained on a parcel of approximately 1.3 acres in the
southeast corner of the site. The parcel would be platted for two lots. Katie Hoffmann and her
brother are looking to continue working on the restoration and preservation of some of the
buildings. Under R-3A zoning, three lots could be platted, but the current concept provides two
lots. He noted that the annexation agreement would set forth the uses that will be allowed to
continue on the farmstead; some uses are on non-conforming in terms of Village regulations.
Mr. Hanlon noted that two streets terminate at the west property line, and they will work with the
Fire Department and staff concerning a design for temporary vehicle turnarounds in those
locations. Eventually the streets would be extended to the west when development is proposed
on the adjacent property.
Mr. Hanlon said the minimum lot area required in the R-3A zoning district is 10,000 square feet,
with a minimum width of 80 feet. This yields a lot depth of 125 feet. The proposed lots will be
somewhat larger than the minimum standards based on the homes that Pulte is proposing. The
minimum lot depth will be 131 feet.
The lots in the Prairie Grove subdivision to the north 125 feet deep, so it creates an offset on the
two roads that would connect from the new development. The street design shows a small S
curve to rectify the difference in the lot depths between the two subdivisions. Village staff
haven't indicated concern with the offset and proposed connection between the existing and
proposed streets.
Mr. Hanlon noted that a variation of the 30-foot corner side yard setback requirement is
requested for the lots along Olive Hill Drive and along the southern east/west street. A setback
of 25 feet would be provided for the corner side yard on these lots instead of 30 feet. From a
design perspective they do not believe there will be any negative impacts due to the five-foot
reduction. This isn't a situation where the 25-foot side yard setback would be next to the front of
a neighboring house that would be setback at 30 feet.
Commissioner Stark asked if Olive Hill Drive will remain one way.
Mr. Hanlon stated they will dedicate additional right-of-way and finish construction of the
roadway to provide a standard two-way street.
Commissioner Stark asked how the extension of Weiland Road and the new S curve would
impact traffic flow.
Mr. Hanlon commented that if the road improvement is constructed, the beginning of the curve
starts immediately south of the intersection of Prairie and Olive Hill, so it wouldn't affect Olive
Hill. Prairie Road south of the S curve will be connected to the new road. A segment of Prairie
Road would be removed, creating a triangle of open space that is adjacent to the proposed
detention area.
Commissioner Stark noted that the only street exit from the proposed Pulte development would
be to the east via Olive Hill Drive.
Mr. Hanlon said that would be the primary access to the new subdivision, but it would also have
street connections to allow access to Meridan Way from the north.
Commissioner Stark asked if the Hoffmanns would continue to live at the farmstead.
Mr. Hanlon stated yes.
Commissioner Stark asked about use of the farmstead if the Hoffmanns decide to move out.
Mr. Hanlon said if the property is sold, it would be up to the new owners to maintain the property
or redevelop it for new houses. He noted that the annexation agreement would address use and
maintenance of the farmstead property, and a new owner would be bound by the terms of the
agreement.
Commissioner Stark asked for more information about the requested variance of the corner side
yard setback.
Mr. Hanlon noted it affects 8 lots. The zoning standard requires that a corner side yard is
identical to the front setback line. The requested variance would allow the corner side yard to be
reduced by 5 feet on those 8 lots to allow a setback of 25 feet. He commented that there's no
particular reason for a corner side yard to be the same as a front yard setback because that is
based on enough room to park a car in the driveway and some other things.
Commissioner Stark noted there seems to be a lot of space to work with on this whole property
and he wonders if it is not possible to find 5 feet to eliminate the variance.
Mr. Hanlon stated it just is not there on 20 acres. There's not a house immediately next to those
homes, so there wouldn't be a noticeable difference if the setback is reduced by five feet.
Commissioner Stark asked about the market demand for 4,000 square foot homes.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated there's demand from people who want to stay in the area and school
district and have a larger and newer home. Also folks who are relocating because of work often
want new construction that fits their lifestyle needs. Given the strength of the community, school
district and the parks and all the other incredible attributes in the Village, Pulte thinks there is a
very strong demand for homes of this size.
Commissioner Stark noted he sees a lot of right angles except for the curve by the farmstead in
the streets. He asked if they had looked at accentuating any curve in the streets.
Mr. Hanlon stated it is a 90-degree type of plan based on the relatively small site. If it was a 200
acre plan there would be more opportunities concerning street design. For streets 900 to 1,000
feet long, it's not advisable to use curves.
Commissioner Stark noted on the south side, houses 16 through 14 could use a buffer between
the backyards and the property just to the south.
Mr. Hanlon stated they have not yet talked about a buffer but when they get into the landscape
design they will have some kind of buffer in that area.
Commissioner Stark asked the Hoffmanns why they chose Pulte.
Mr. Hoffmann said many other companies were interested, but Pulte's reputation was the
strongest.
Commissioner Johnson noted the packet included a vision for the homestead which would
include improvements and asked if they will be included in the annexation agreement so that
they become mandatory or permanent.
Mr. Hanlon noted the annexation agreement hasn't been drafted, and he's not sure how some of
these items will be handled.
Mr. Pfeil said that comments from the Plan Commission are welcome concerning issues that
should be addressed in the annexation agreement. It would be helpful to discuss these items at
the workshops and public hearing to provide guidance for development of the agreement. The
annexation agreement document is reviewed by the Village Board at a public hearing and then
approved by ordinance.
Commissioner Johnson stated the vision looks lovely for the farmstead but it appears that the
access for the farmstead would still be on a private road and just the back of the farmstead
would be facing the new subdivision.
Mr. Hanlon said at the next meeting there would be a more detailed rendering of the farmstead
that illustrates the landscaping that is proposed in those areas. There is extensive landscaping
and screening that is shown up following the right of way in the curve of the roadway. They
understand they want to have their own buffers to the residential lots that are installed. They
would like to preserve the gravel drive until the S curve improvement goes in. That section of
Prairie south of the S curve will become almost a shared driveway to the south and won't get a
lot of traffic on it so maintaining that access point with the long range plan does not seem to be
an issue. But there will certainly be a provision for the potential to build new driveways to the
internal street especially is someone new decides to build a new house on one of those lots. At
that point their driveway would connect to the internal street. Stipulations about the existing
driveway as well as what would happen if it changed will probably be covered in the annexation
agreement.
Commissioner Cohn noted everything appears to be pretty benign for the farmstead use, but
there are animals including chickens and ducks. The issue of possible nuisances for residents in
the new homes should be addressed.
Mr. Hanlon noted the farmstead is in a relatively small area, and animals won't be replaced as
they pass away.
Commissioner Cohn asked if that had been discussed as part of the annexation agreement.
Mr. Hanlon stated that is clearly going to be covered.
Commissioner Cohn asked about the current land use and activities in the area south of the
proposed homes on lots 10 to 14.
Mr. Hanlon said there are greenhouses and interior/exterior plant nursery operations.
Commissioner Cohn asked if there is significant truck traffic or vehicle traffic that could be
disruptive to the homes that would next door to it.
Mr. Hanlon said he doesn't know what level of traffic occurs on this property, but he will get more
information about current activities and traffic.
Commissioner Cohn commented that if there's a lot of vehicle traffic, a really good buffer would
be advisable.
Commissioner Cohn pointed out that the new streets and houses don't line up evenly with the
subdivision to the north.
Mr. Hanlon said the lot depths are the difference. The lots in Prairie Grove are 125 feet, and the
proposed Pulte development would have 131-foot lots.
Commissioner Cohn again asked why the 125 foot lots would not work here.
Mr. Hanlon said the Pulte floor plans are deeper and the houses have some options for room
additions. To accommodate these designs, the lots need to be deeper than the lots to the north.
Pulte would not be able to build the entire product series if they did not have the deeper lots. In
reality the jogs in the roads will not be a big problem.
Commissioner Cohn asked if the homes on the north on Olive Hill are smaller than the proposed
homes.
Mr. Hanlon said he is not sure they are smaller in square footage, they are not as deep and
probably do not have the same options for sun room additions that Pulte is proposing.
Mr. Mastrorocco commented that the houses in the two developments are roughly the same
size. But the Pulte plan is a new product series they have developed nationally and this will be
the first time it would be built in the Chicago area. The designs are meant to meet today's
lifestyle needs. A lot of the plans do not have a formal living room, just larger great room areas
with kitchens and also what is called a planning center or command center for the home in the
kitchen area where kids can do homework, folks can pay bills, watch the dinner, keep an eye on
the kids etc.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated they feel there definitely is a demand for these larger homes and in
addition these are the most contemporary floor plans you will find out there in today's market.
Commissioner Cohn asked if the Village has any concerns from a planning perspective about
the offset on Prairie where there is a somewhat narrower grassy area next to this development
which then widens out.
Mr. Pfeil said he doesn't think there are concerns for the Village. Prairie Road will be modified
with the Weiland/Prairie extension, but the proposed stormwater area is sized accurately for the
stormwater that needs to be accommodated. He noted that the Prairie Grove plan set the
pattern for the area by placing the detention area as a buffer along Prairie Road. The proposed
plan is consistent with the Prairie Grove plan.
Commissioner Cohn asked if the sidewalk will be extended.
Mr. Hanlon stated they will work with the Village at the cross section of Prairie so that the
sidewalk will continue to the south.
Mr. Pfeil noted that a sidewalk of 8 feet in width extends from Route 22 to the south end of the
Prairie Grove subdivision.
Commissioner Cohn noted the developer might want to extend the sidewalk along Prairie Road.
Mr. Hanlon noted that if that is the pattern and the expectation they will include that on the next
level plan.
Commissioner Cohn asked how the bikeway system connects here and if the sidewalk is the
bikepath.
Mr. Pfeil noted that the 8-foot sidewalk along Brandywyn Lane and Prairie Road is designed to
accommodate bicycles. There are no off-street bike paths in this area.
Commissioner Cohn noted there is a bikeway disconnect from Aptakisic to get to this area.
There is a one block gap between Aptakisic and Prairie where they intersect. As we build more
homes here more people will be biking and they will continue to have the same problem. Is
there anything we can do to fill that gap?
Mr. Pfeil said if the Weiland/Prairie project proceeds it would provide sidewalks wide enough for
bicycle use. He noted that the Weiland and Prairie are under Lake County's jurisdiction, and the
County is very interested in providing multi-modal transportation, including pedestrian and
bicycle facilities.
Commissioner Khan noted his excitement for this project. He asked if the entire site, including
the Hoffman homestead would be annexed.
Mr. Hanlon stated yes, the entire 20 acre site would be annexed.
Commissioner Khan asked if these two lots would then be subdivided in the annexation.
Mr. Hanlon stated there would be a few extra paragraphs in the annexation agreement to talk
about the particulars of the two Hoffman lots compared to the rest of the lots.
Commissioner Khan noted that one of the rooms on the first floor could be for in-law
arrangements.
Mr. Hanlon stated yes as today's generation does have multi-generational settings.
Commissioner Khan noted that if there is a jog in the road it works in favor of the residents and
Village.
Commissioner Khan noted the petitioner is looking for some kind of turnaround or hammerhead
in case of emergency vehicles needing to turn along the north south streets and asked for
further comment on the kind of construction would be at this dead end as we do not know when
this road will be extended further west.
Mr. Hanlon stated that is still a work in progress and it will be illustrated at the next meeting. On
the north there is a little more space and maybe they can use a little of the park land and it could
be removed later when the road goes through from north to south.
Commissioner Khan stated when he looks at this subdivision he looks to see how it will be
connected to the subdivisions eventually coming to the north, west, south and east. He stated
he would like to see these subdivision connected to each other so that kids can walk. He further
noted the road is making a T intersection with the street running north and south and asked if
they would consider extending this north/south street further south so that when the subdivision
to the south comes they can all become connected.
Mr. Hanlon stated they can look at that. The space between Aptakisic and the south line of the
property is labeled on the future land use map as continued nursery or a slight bend toward
retail.
Mr. Pfeil noted that directly south is still unincorporated and part of it is the Didier farm and
greenhouses and commercial operations. In the block directly south of the proposed
subdivision, the westerly half is designated for commercial but maintaining the current
agricultural and greenhouse type uses. The planning intent is to encourage continuation of
current commercial uses rather than develop a conventional shopping center. The area to the
east along Aptakisic Road to Prairie Road is designated on the Village's plan for single-family
residential.
Commissioner Khan noted he is looking to see how subdivisions are going to be connected and
the traffic between them.
Commissioner Weinstein asked if there is a division into two lots for the Hoffman parcel.
Mr. Hanlon noted there is enough square footage and frontage for 3 lots in the future. He noted
the Hoffmans are trying to preserve the buildings, but if in the future someone proposes three
lots, they would come to the Plan Commission again. He noted Katie and her brother each want
to have one-half and split the buildings up and work together to landscape things, build gardens
and do restoration work on the buildings.
Mr. Hanlon noted the westerly lot does not have a home on it now, only the barn and
greenhouse.
Commissioner Weinstein asked how close the Pulte houses would be one another.
Mr. Hanlon stated it is similar to the ones on Olive Hill, but perhaps slightly larger. The minimum
code requirement of 16 feet would be met but it could be larger than that.
Commissioner Weinstein noted there are two houses on Olive Hill Drive that appear to have
driveways that go out to Olive Hill Drive and he said he is inclined to say that these houses
should have the driveways connecting to the side streets.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted that a recent housing study for the Village indicated that the
Village needed some higher end housing to meet projected demand, and the proposed homes
appear to address this segment of the housing market.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted that it seems we are looking for north/south connectivity. The
sub-regional plan on page 6 of the petitioner's submittal shows the road extending north from
Aptakisic Road to be west of the proposed development.
Mr. Hanlon affirmed that the future road from Aptakisic would be west of the Pulte development.
He noted that the Village's plan extends the road south of Aptakisic to connect to the existing
street in the Old Farm subdivision.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked petitioner to be mindful of side yard setbacks particularly in view
of sight lines and fencing that may be installed.
Commissioner Goldspiel addressed the jog on the streets coming across Olive Hill Drive and
noted he understands the point about the difference in the depths of the lots. However, his
concern is safety-traffic engineers recommend that intersections have streets at right angles for
safety purposes. He pointed out that the street connecting to Jordan Terrace is the more severe
angle and noted that on the final design that angle might be moved down a bit to the south so
that it straightens out at the intersection.
Mr. Hanlon noted that these intersections were pointed out to Village engineering staff, and no
concerns were raised.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked if the stormwater area would be dry detention.
Mr. Hanlon stated it is dry but it will not be mowed. It is now required by Lake County standards
to have a wet bottom.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked what that means in terms of how it will visually present. He
asked if this detention would look like those along Olive Hill.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated it will be presented as naturalized detention areas with higher water
quality. These detention ponds are ecologically best and required by most regulatory agencies.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked how these will be maintained.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated they have talked with the Village about that. In the past detention areas
have been dedicated to the Village and there is some internal discussion on that right now as to
whether it will be the responsibility of the Village or a homeowners association.
Mr. Pfeil noted that historically the Village has accepted stormwater areas in single-family
subdivisions. If it is a multi-family development, it usually goes to the homeowner's association
so the detention stays private. He said staff is discussing this issue. The new Village Engineer
and new Public Works director are familiar with policies requiring private ownership of
stormwater areas even for single-family subdivisions.
Commissioner Goldspiel then asked if perhaps some effort should be put toward a design for
the stormwater area that has some shape to it that might be more aesthetic.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated they can look at that.
Commissioner Goldspiel asked about the two farmstead lots and possible impacts on the
proposed development.
Katie Hoffman noted that corn is currently grown on the larger tract next to the farmstead area.
Only vegetables and fruit trees are on the farmstead parcel.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted when the petitioner thinks about what to do at the end of the
southerly street turnaround perhaps something like a curve or circle to help break up this street
from the next street that may come in. He asked if it would be sensible when the turnaround is
built if it was made a circle type of calming road.
Mr. Hanlon stated there are some options for designs that limit traffic speed. The central park
itself is a traffic calming design for the entire future neighborhood as you would have to drive in
and around the park. The road could S curve or just T into a north/south street if there is one.
He does not feel their creating something now would be a good idea as it may not work with the
next piece.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted there is an existing 8 foot sidewalk north of the proposed site,
and asked if Village standards now require a 10 foot walk.
Mr. Pfeil stated yes.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted that therefore on Prairie we would expect a 10 foot walk.
Mr. Pfeil stated yes.
Commissioner Goldspiel noted the bikepath is a good idea especially with children walking to
school.
Commissioner Matthews noted he would like to see a hammerhead at the end of the two streets
that are being proposed to go further west. The other requirement he would like to see is to
have the street intersections at Olive Hill Drive be 90 degrees. He would like to have a one car
"staging" so that intersection is at 90 degrees although it could still jog.
Commissioner Stark asked about the entrance to the farmstead.
Mr. Hanlon the gravel drive would remain providing access to Prairie Road.
Commissioner Stark asked if that would be noted so people did not try to get in.
Mr. Hanlon stated there could be a sign saying private although he does not think it is even an
issue now.
Commissioner Stark asked what the houses would look like 15 to 20 years down the road if they
were picked up by someone else and developed. What would they look like compared to the
proposed homes. He noted this is something to think about.
Commissioner Stark asked about the status on the Weiland Road proposal.
Mr. Pfeil said an open house/public hearing is scheduled for October 2" where the most recent
version of the Lake Cook Road and Weiland/Prairie Road design will be available for public
review and comment. Assuming funding becomes available, there could be some construction
by 2015, but some phases would be come later.
Commissioner Cohn stated one thing to think about is the idea of actually creating some kind of
easement between the homes like an asphalt path that would be a connection to the south so
that in the future if a neighborhood is built there are ways for children to get around. He further
noted he does not know why Lake County requires a wetlands bottom to this detention unless
you are destroying or taking away some isolated wetland which he does not think exists. It
seems you should be able to create drainage without creating a wetlands bottom. He noted this
is something the petitioner might ask of Lake County. If you are destroying a wetland you can
purchase wetlands compensation from a wetlands bank and then just create a regular retention
without a wetlands bottom if that would aesthetically not be in conformity with what we are trying
to do.
Commissioner Cohn noted concern with the potential of future redevelopment of the farmstead
and not being developed in a manner that conforms to surrounding neighborhoods. So we need
to find some vehicle for making sure the future redevelopment of the farmstead will conform to
the neighborhood.
Ms. Stacey Bachar, Assistant Superintendent for Business Services of Aptakisic-Tripp School
District 102, asked about the project timeline, and when the school district would be receiving
children from the new homes.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated that if approved they would hope to break ground in Spring 2014, and
have some homes sold and ready for occupancy by the end of the year. They are planning on
selling 2 homes per month. The project is expected to take about two years to complete.
Ms. Bachar asked if there is a formula that projecting the number of children that would be
expected to live in the subdivision based factors such as size of the homes.
Mr. Mastrorocco stated they can work with staff on that.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT- None
FUTURE AGENDA SCHEDULE
Mr. Pfeil noted October 2" is the next regular meeting date.
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS - None
STAFF REPORT
Mr. Pfeil noted that an open house and public hearing concerning the Weiland/Prairie Road-
Lake Cook Road project will be held at Aptakisic Junior High School on October 2, 2013 at 6:00
p.M.
NEW BUSINESS - None
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Cohn, seconded by Commission Khan and carried unanimously to
adjourn. Chairman Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Fay Rubin, Recording Secretary
APPROVED BY:
ERIC SMITH, Chair